Does this thinking apply to people of all ethnicities or just the Chinese?

This whole episode is simply the US equivalent of Jack Ma with added puritanism.

That’s a possibility as well.

Huh, it seems I’m agreeing with them to me? Am I losing it, at long last? Op says the affairs are parallel construction and I’m saying that I doubt that the affairs are the base motivation?

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> Drats if only the weasely SEE EYE AYE didn’t force him to sleep with a (potential) foreign agent

You know that AYE rhymes with EYE, right?

The president has filed reports for then selling nvidia shares.

> The $7.5billion in alleged sales to china has removed a couple of trillion in value from the pension and investment funds of Americans this week, all for the infantile hubris and anti-competitive moves toward americas biggest trading partner.

And how many trillions of dollars of wealth has been "removed" by American companies outsourcing their production to China over the past several decades, transferring their IP to Chinese entities through forced joint-ventures, outright IP theft, etc.?

By some estimates, the outright IP theft alone has caused $15 trillion in cumulative losses. According to the Commission on the Theft of American Intellectual Property, whose figures are used by the FBI and the Office of the US Trade Representative, IP theft costs American businesses somewhere between $225 and $600 billion every year, and much of that theft is at the hands of China.

Companies like Facebook and Google aren't allowed in the Chinese market. Do you find that "anti-competitive"?

Nobody is playing fair here and the notion that we can all just trade with each other equanimously is naive. The world isn't that kind and simple.

> Compromised or not, Jensen was right – sell them the chips and they won’t be forced to get them under the counter or develop their own.

I disagree. China is only acquiring technology to copy the best parts and improve the rest. There are plenty of examples over the past decades.

They would never be a permanent customer of Nvidia, they would destroy Nvidia long term by offering better chips for cheaper, especially as they are going to take Taiwan in the near future.

Feel free to do some research about how china won the solar game, that would be your textbook example of how they are going to destroy Nvidia.

They do this with cars, they did it with solar, they do it with weapons-grade tech.

It’s an absolute fever dream to think selling them chips would mean they wouldn’t get more under the counter and develop their own improved designs.

We are talking about a nation-state actor with unlimited pockets. They can go down all of these roads at the same time and if I were china and winning AI means winning everything, i would do exactly that.

Using Jensen like a greedy prostitute to get the goods right from the source was just the easiest way to get those chips.

The collapse of Jensen is also strengthening China, they already have what they wanted, now he gets put in the trash so the US can no longer profit from his undeniable talents attracting investments into American AI domination.

Seriously, what is 4 or 7b to China?

Better than sending Chinese black ops to disappear a ship full of Nvidia chips and risk complications with another nation-state actor.

Why wouldn’t they take the way of least resistance which was through Jensens greed, ego and illoyalty to his wife?

China has a long-term plan, is extremely focused at accomplishing milestones and they are already ahead in almost every sector compared to the US of the past 20 years, that has become a political dumpster fire.

China is winning.

And the chips that Jensen allowed to move there will be used to accelerate the already working strategy in all of its aspects. He didn’t just fuck most of his company and partners as it seems, he fucked every American in existence.

Enough smart people in the US government have seen that, but they are dealing with a kleptocratic family and friends scheme that is selling their nation’s interests to enrich themselves.

It is what it is. And it won’t get better.

You are completely wrong here and I suspect the American voter will agree with me. Selling the greatest inventions of American ingenuity and know how directly to a rival is the type of historical shooting yourself in the foot that will be studied for centuries. America has essentially built the internet, the microprocessor, gave it free to the world, then did the same with all the technologies since and what has an American got to show for it exactly? I'd much rather give every teenager in the entire country a 5090 for free than allow a single one to be sold overseas. In the 90s the feds were throwing money at schools to build computer labs even in poor school districts and now we've kinda just stopped giving our kids the latest and greatest and instead force them to compete with the world for hardware. It is too late now but this has been a generational fumble that will be studied for a long long time. We've essentially given away all our advantage to a country that was a backwater when the Intel microprocessor was invented. Frankly embarrassing that it has come to this.

He isnt making money to help orphans or disabled kids or mothers of orphans or mothers of disabled orphans.

Jensen like Trump and his family is only helping number 1.

> There's no evidence she influenced Jensen who influenced Trump

There actually is, for both: 1. the chip sales to the supplier employing Alice (how many chip sales were to other suppliers in China?), and 2. a $25,000,000 payment Jensen made to donald's ballroom slush fund, which he tried to keep secret.

There is also evidence that donald kept this quiet and then demanded obedience and obeisance: he admitted it in an interview recently.

As for what HN (an inanimate website on which thousands of different, diverse-minded people from around the world post) 'does', I guess sometimes it's funny, sure.

Chinese is just hard. They use features of human voice that aren't used for literal texts in English, or many other languages for that matter. It's said that cultural upstreams get more complex pronunciation and downstreams tends to drop features to simplify pronunciation and China was kind of one of biggest centers of cultures in ancient times.

Note that that isn't to say "English is a simplistic language", though, it's just that Chinese has complexities in parts that don't necessary overlap with all sorts of intricacies of actual US English. Mastering both would be hard.

But at least it's not like Russian, which apparently uses more and rarer frequency bands - think DTMF, but more than dual and language specific, some overlapping some not. And English is likewise not the simplest kind of all in there as well, at all, to be extra clear.

> The non standard English chara ters really help articulate to the average person how it should sound. Clear as mud.

I don't really understand your complaint. If you want to know how something is pronounced, you'll have to learn how to read pronunciation information. If you want nothing but standard English, then it won't be possible to describe the pronunciation of most foreign words. (For example, no English syllable corresponds to Spanish no - the problems start very early if you try to go this route.)

Are you looking for information, or not?

What’s clear is you have no experience with this at all and are saying outright falsehoods confidently.

You are none of those things. All of reality if current CEOs today proves you wrong. Your take is so laughable it’s as if it was written by a child or a teenager.

I disagree with your argument as stated, as offering promotions in exchange for sexual isn’t uncommon, and many times isn’t really a choice.

But I also think this perspective isn’t really the point. Regardless of the abusive nature, it’s still a tremendous conflict of interest for an affair of this nature to occur. The direct report would have a huge amount of leverage over Huang to keep the affair secret for one thing.

I don’t know the nature of these particular affairs, but regardless of who is or isn’t vulnerable, it’s still wildly inappropriate, and shouldn’t be tolerated

yes they have no option but to fuck ppl that work for them.

That's perfectly feasible and does not change the power dynamics at all.

I've seen people attracted to higher-ups ("coming on to them") in University and employment situations, and from outside looking in, the attraction could have been about the "power" the higher up was wielding (not necessarily using for bad; just the stature they had in the local society). TBH, people get attracted to people in power or with fame all the time (without actually knowing the person they are), so there is no reason it would be any different when there is a direct professional relationship.

Yes, this means it's tricky, and puts large demands on the "higher ups" — while they are similarly human with all their faults, it's still not necessarily the right thing to do — even, as a higher up, I'd struggle to differentiate if they are attracted to my "social standing" or to myself (if that can even be decoupled)?

exactly. Jensen had no option but to fuck this person. How could he possibly say no. What a unique angle that you came up with. Lets bring jensen back now.

Yeah, most people only have one personal secretary, and in order to be able to show favoritism to one employee over another it would be necessary for them to be in similar positions. It would be remarkably silly to say "You're giving me the tough coding assignments instead of giving them to your secretary, you're blatantly favoring her" when the secretary was never hired for her coding skills.

Favoritism certainly can happen in other situations, of course. Heck, "the GM's girlfriend" is a (negative) trope in tabletop RPG groups for a reason, or spouses favoring each other in competitive board games. And those are situations where (usually) no money is involved, and it's just for fun. Add money to the situation and it can be a dangerous mix. If someone really must end up being a supervisor over his own spouse plus other people, best to have someone neutral double-checking his decisions. It's easy to be blind to one's own conflicts of interest.

I would just go ahead and assume people favor own married partners, siblings or kids when they are in these situations. That does not mean executive kids can never be hired, of course.

But like, people favorite their own friends or long time colleagues too, even outside romantic relationships. It is not graded school.

> and that was the end of it.

Is it...? I feel like there's a lot more to unpack here. What if the thing a person fell in love with was that somebody just had more power (over them)?

I'd argue that people should fall in love on equal grounds, so the personality of a partner matters more than the perceived status of power.

I've read your comment three times and I still don't know exactly what philosophical position you're staking out. What are you saying, exactly? I suspect I'm going to disagree with your position (I certainly disagree with what I think your position is), but before I start arguing against it, it would be nice to actually understand it.

Are you saying that because he invented something that changed the world, his misbehavior should be ignored? If that's what you're saying, I wonder where you would draw the line: an affair? Embezzling? Murder? At what point would the misbehavior be so bad that it should not be excused by his past inventions? At what point does the inventor not get to use "But I'm changing the world" as an excuse?

Or perhaps I'm misreading you. You did, after all, open with saying that you agree with my comment that you're replying to. So if your only point is "the board didn't care, that was an excuse to get rid of him" and you're not excusing his behavior, then sure, I agree with that statement. His behavior was an open secret among the company, after all; they had to have known, but were willing to ignore it when it was convenient to them. Which is immoral of them, let me add. I agree with you that that's what they did. I do NOT agree (and I hope you're not saying) that it was ethical or moral of them to ignore it until it became publicly known.

> This guy created billions of dollars

No, the engineers he employed did. They will continue to do so after his departure.

The point is not to prevent it, the point is to minimise the resulting liability. Whether by re-org'ing so that the people who are sleeping together are not in a direct reporting relationship, or by letting one party go, and so on...

A presidential impeachment that votes along partisan lines has little to do with corporate policies.

It seems you have little argument here.

Nestlé, Astronomer, Kohl's, Norfolk Southern, BP, NBCUniversal, McDonald's, HP, CBOE - all have removed CEOs for undisclosed company relationship.

The only ones that survive are owners with majority stakes, which is very obviously a personal conflict.

Firing the president of Trumpistan is much harder than firing the CEO of a public corporation.

>A manager having a relationship with a subordinate is unethical, but let's not call it outright rape, OK? There is a difference.

A manager fucking his subordinate is coercion at the very least due to the power imbalance.

This is not a consensual relationship for the same reason that sex with a "willing" person held at gunpoint isn't (even if there is no explicit verbal threat).

Whether it crosses a criminal threshold of sexual harassment or sexual assault , depends on the jurisdiction and circumstance.

In any case, it is not OK.

It is immaterial whether coercion of this sort is "not outright" rape.

Parent commenter's logic that justifies it because the CEO "has value" applies to "outright" rape as well.

If sexual harassment of a few employees is "pennies" compared to Jensen's value, so is "outright" rape.

This is what I have issue with.

I’m saying that there is widespread reporting that megaspeed is diverting chips to China, and if that is the case it’s illegal for Nvidia to sell to them. Nvidia is required by US law to impose restrictions on its customers and to make an effort to ensure their customers are complying with those restrictions.

You seem to think I’m making a novel or wild claim, but this is pretty bog-standard export controls. Just like advanced weapons. You can’t sell missiles to a company in Malaysia if that company is going to resell them North Korea.

Go read about alan hao hsu. Literally smuggled Nvidia chips to china through a Malaysian company and is now heading to prison.

This is completely nonsensical. You somehow think Jensen donated to the ballroom to not be given defensive security briefings?

You're almost there!

What everyone? You know it's possible for a CEO to have a romantic relationship with someone they don't have a business relationships with, right? Like say, his wife?

Yeah, so a CEO shouldn't sleep with literally anyone who works at their company

> about ACTUAL wrong doing. I don't care about the affairs

FWIW having an affair with a direct report is an actual wrong doing, in a civil legal sense, that opens you and you the company to incredible liability.

And especially so at his level.

I’m sure we’ll find out more about why exactly he resigned in the upcoming days. And there likely will be lawsuits that reveal more fine point details, multiple lawsuits most likely.

8 November after the first affair came out the board still had his back. Then the second affair came out and they kicked him out. What most likely happens is they asked him if there was more dirt and he probably said no. Then it turned that was a lie.

So this probably isn't about the affairs but a breach of trust with the board.

Most people here can read. You clearly haven't taken any time to do that. You're just, clearly, more concerned you get your NVDA stock back to a comfy price.

To speed run most of what's out there spend a few minutes trying to understand the issue [0]. You think MegaSpeed is on the up and up? Doubtful.

[0] https://youtu.be/SOwUWPtXQ9I

Okay, first off, the average person is not going to run local models. They will use whatever is best or cheapest, like they always do, privacy be damned, and small open weight providers are likely to be even worse on that count than the big ones (what do they have to lose?) If they do run local models, the company most likely to deliver these chips is Apple, not Nvidia.

Second, there's no reason the new CEO wouldn't keep pushing towards open weights if that's good for the company, and I believe it is. It's a form of hedging against the big labs and creating a sustainable demand outside of them.

Third, if China wants Nvidia GPUs, don't worry, they'll get them. While they need them. They're certainly working very hard to reproduce the entire vertical on their turf and I'm fairly confident they'll get close enough within a few years. They're not hinging their whole strategy on Jensen, they're not idiots.

Nothing's going to really change. It's fine. Well, as fine as everything usually is.