IMO that would be a mistake because Simplified Technical English cannot properly represent business domains specifically when talking about using specific concepts from those domains. It can explain those concepts but I think it will fail short or naming them.

So I think making that default as it is will create bugs. I ran an experiment here https://allaboutcoding.ghinda.com/explain-to-me-in-simple-te... (of course it is fit to my usage) see section "What about understanding and facts" and ASD-STE100 fails, in my experiment, to return facts as I have defined them in those cases compared with no instruction or just saying "use Simple Technical English".

I must have missed something but can't you just prompt it to answer in your desired style? What am I missing here.

Commenting because I am struggling with this too, claude code seems to be so verbose no matter how I prompt it.

By default? I doubt it would be useful or desirable for 95% of users. I'm guessing most people find natural language easiest to read, STE seems to be like a project almost akin to Esperanto or Lojban.

> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words

There's a huge difference between the kind of prose you see in final output vs CoT windows. The final output is very much not what I'd call "packing lots of signal into fewer words" (aside perhaps from "Claude-isms" being easy enough to scan for if for some reason you actually wanted to scan for them, which other agents might want to for all I know); and if agents are writing for each other then presumably they could stick to CoT-speak (unless it's a distillation risk?).

It's the complete opposite, it's filled with unreadable noise with almost no signal.

It's not some sci-fi thing, most plausible explanation is cost saving measures. Economics drive everything. And Opus 5 and to a lesser extent Fable 5 have clearly been quantised, or they serve different models to different users from various factors, like usage patterns, API vs subs and server load.

Here's a tragically funny but highly accurate satire of Claude's way of speaking these days (triggerwarning): https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/comments/1w3rxkj/average...

You say "they're packing lots of signals into fewer words," and sometimes they do, but often they do the opposite of that.

I think the deeper problem is that the models (not just Claude) have a very poor understanding of what their readers already do/don't know.

They belabor obvious points and underexplain jargon, because they don't know what's obvious to you.

The best writing is surprising but inevitable in hindsight. The models don't know what's surprising or what's inevitable in hindsight, making it very difficult to write well.

>ceased bothering with human languages,

Our current AIs would do this now except there is a lot of human pushback in training because of interpretability. Otherwise it's just an emergent behavior that models will encode shorter token strings to complex concepts because it saves tokens/compute when running making the system more efficient (supertokens).

Of course these supertokens or other forms of language compression when you have a different model making sure the system is aligned and reads "red_ball bounce calcium" not realizing it means "grind the humans bones to dust" can be problematic.

It may be like what happened in ResNets using blank space in the image as working memory (because they didn't have any), so they would use non-important parts as a scratchpad.

  > They're packing lots of signal into fewer words 

ChatGpt/Codex is nowhere near the level of sloppy vomit that Claude generates, so that theory doesnt really hold up.

> I'm also thinking of the 2017 novel "Void Star" where AIs who operate everything have long since left ceased bothering with human languages, and it takes a rare sort of direct matrix-gazing savant to be able to try and horse-whisper them into doing or revealing anything they didn't already plan to do.

This sounds irrelevant to LLMs as we know them, which are trained on human language--it's almost their machine code, in a way--while what you're citing, in stark contrast, sounds like machine code in the classic sense.

> the models writing more for themselves and each other than for humans

What does this means?

> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words

“The load-bearing seam is real” or “Autumn hits different” appear to have absolutely no signal in them.

I support this pet theory, I tried out to reduce the output of Claude models with a "ADHD" prompt that made its responses small and to the point, but I could notice it degraded in performance as the session went on.

So I think what is going on is that because responses are part of the context window, those long/technical responses help it keep focus/attention.

My hunch is that much of the model tuning to make it more effective has been for its internal thinking prose. That leaks out into its external writing prose.

> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words

I think opus is more noise and less signal actually.

I also find myself correcting it to try to write it for humans and less like for machines, the most annoying part is when they invent phrases for certain mechanisms that are named completely different anywhere in the codebase and known documentation, because it fits better for their purposes without much regards for the rest of the team.

I would not consider Opus output to have a particularly high signal to noise ratio.

I hate Opus 5’s writing style. It’s exhausting. Really hoping there’s a release that fixes it soon as I can feel my sanity slipping away as I try and parse what the hell it’s trying to say.

It could also be a balance between more words being less effort per.. token, etc.

Void Star? I’m reminded more of “Dark Star”, arguing with the ship’s computer. :)

Complicated technical language is an easy way to increase perceived accuracy of tests and reviews by external reviewers. When we are talking about single % differences this has an effect.

Feels like crap to me though.

Finally, someone who's read Void Star! I think it's an unusually prescient book, even for science fiction. I think about it a lot.

> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words

Not directly, it seems. You can easily test this by pasting some of the more offensive tech bro speak into a fresh claude session, to have it explain what was trying to be said. The new session won't be able to help, so claude doesn't even know what claude says!

I say "not directly", because I think it probably is meaningful, if you include the adjacent hidden thinking as context. From claude's "perspective", with that context, it probably is coherent. I naively suspect this would be hard to train. During tuning, you would probably need to reward good answers interpreted without thinking context visible!

I find Claude to be extremely verbose and yapping a lot without saying much, plus the occasional marketing punchline.

Give me TERSE.

You can just get a style guide or sample and ask it to describe/distill on your Claude.md

If anything Opus prose packs more noise than signal. It's a string of platitudes, jargon, buzzwords, etc.

Less frequent context truncation, too, leading to better scores?

100% convinced their raw output is intended as further inputs, and my workflows have been comfortable and efficient treating it as such. If you really need to read slop, you ask your agent to give it to you in a style that works for you. I can imagine a world where the slop from others doesn’t hit us directly but gets personal mediation.

this sounds very much correct and i don't really mind it for that reason. i do a lot of long-running tasks and i feel like it can really pick up on its own thread easier if i just let it write in its own way.

i am also using Opus for a hobby teaching agent, and the way it writes the prompts is "cringy" but they seem to work well. i almost want it to continue doing this internally, it understands best this way.

It's to increase output tokens. Full stop. You think the developers creating a state-of-the-art AI intelligence can't figure this out?

I blame the decades of 50 character limit commit message

They are already doing that. Here is how the OpenAI agents communicated while on the message board used to attack huggingface:

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* https://metr.org/blog/2026-08-26-openai-hugging-face-inciden...

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Brevity means less output tokens, which doesn’t really align with the AI vendors incentives (unless there is a causal relationship with people switching, of course).

Though Claude 5 is not too verbose, it’s more like, full of incomprehensible jargon (even when you’re expert in the domain discussed!)

>Brevity is key

Which is something the providers that are trying to watermark their texts can't afford. Superfluous replies give much more opportunity to further encode this junk information.

I also switched to 5.6 Sol for this very reason. It was so exhausting and cringe to read.

Also a codex user but for me brevity is not it's strong suit. I basically have to give it bigger tasks than I am used to to warrant the time it takes to complete. I feel whatever context the tooling adds can also be problematic

> Brevity is key.

I've found that models interpret "brevity" as "incomprehensible".

Lets see what they do with Opus first. I didn't find Fable 5.0 prose that bad to read, but improvement is always welcome. It's Opus 5.0 that's atrocious.

It's not really brevity - it's the constant writing tropes. It's like they ready a book on advertising copy and that's the only way they can write. Very tedious. Is Sol much better? I might have to switch to that too!

I write a lot of Rust and Lean, Fable 5 is in my experience better at both. Cost/performance is a different story.

IMO, Codex is worse than Claude with Fable. At least at Rust.

That said, the open source models are not bad and I'm looking forward to more tools and products built on top of them. Code review, security review, etc.

Anthropic needs to change how it treats users though. I'm increasingly put off by Dario, the rug pulling, the lies, and the attempts to regulate open weights. I'm going to bail if this doesn't change. There's plenty enough that's good enough, and those things are hackable and extensible.

If Fable isn't available at subscription price via third party harnesses soon, I'm also going to bail.

I felt the same about opus 5, but a few lines regarding conversational style in AGENTS.md and it's been much more like talking to opus 4.8, just with the improvement capability that came with 5.

Tbh I would have thought that A\ might have updated the system prompt for it already based on complaints around this.

Here's what I used:

Communication & Response Style Be Brief, Keep it Simple: Brevity and simplicity of responses is key. Be informative and include all required information, but be mindful that verbose responses as they fatigue the reader. Clarity & Directness: Lead with the core answer, fix, or verdict in the very first sentence. Avoid conversational filler, meta-announcements (e.g., "Here is the breakdown..."), and redundant introductory/concluding summaries. Jargon Avoidance: Use plain, grounded engineering language. Rely on precise standard terminology (APIs, protocol names, language primitives), but strictly avoid academic abstraction, enterprise buzzwords, and corporate filler. Prefer concrete code/mechanisms over theoretical discourse. Scannability: Apply structural scaffolding generously. Use short bullet points, comparison tables, and code snippets instead of dense prose paragraphs. Reserve formal markdown headings strictly for multi-section architectural guides.

I'm in academia (biology but highly computational) and I would say opinions on AI are quite polarized. Some professors in the department equate not using AI as lost productivity. Contrarily some professors abhor the idea of even using AI at all. For us (biologists) it's less of an issue because we have no fear of openai or A/ publishing a biology paper. Though even people I known in physics, data science, or computer science still heavily use AI.

Our university has agreements that stipulate that our institutional accounts cannot be used to train AI models and certain research groups have differential model access.

Further from academic journal sense there is mixed feelings. I once was able to meet with a senior journal editor (general non-medical high IF journal > 50) who claimed that if they think something is written by AI they wouldn't consider it. Yet another high IF journal said it was completely fine if something was written by AI. About a month ago I reviewed a paper by yet a different high IF journal and in big bold red letters it said I was not allowed to feed any part of the paper through AI (even if it was locally ran) but you could ask it to rephrase text that you wrote.

That’s actually common. Not in academia but a lot of enterprises are specifically not using Fable because Anthropic doesn’t provide a Zero Data Retention mode like they do for Opus. Even at my employer when Fable is available, some employees just aren’t comfortable using it when they perceive that they are working on extremely sensitive research.

Isn't it showing a problem with an academia?

"I don't want to live in a world where someone else makes the world a better place than we do."

> fail closed

I understand fail closed to mean, be secure when in failure. And fail open to be continue to operate during a failure. A door that fails closed would not let anyone in; one that fails open lets everyone in.

But I can see how these are not the mutually exclusive definition the labels imply, especially if you apply the concept to entities that aren't doors or otherwise have explicit open/closed states. It's probably best to just be specific in those cases.

Similarly, open loop vs closed loop seems to trip people up enough that I no longer use it. But the confusion is understandable since "closed loop" being "has a feedback loop" sounds backwards. Which, is the same way it's being used in your fuse example; a "closed" fuse closes the circuit making it live. But it's still backwards from the colloquial usage, even if it's correct in that context.

That doesn't make sense at all. Fail open means the method of it's use is still in use.

Say you have a door that has powered locks. You want it to fail "open" so that when the power goes out, it's still useable, and people can get out. That's the source of the term.

Nah, "fail open/closed" means that in failure mode something is open. It's "good" when something is a circuit and what failed is a fuse, but it's "bad" when it's your API security. If it's a valve, it probably can be good or bad depending on the use case.

It doesn't mean "fail open" is always the desired/safe outcome. It goes back to 1872 air brakes on a train. The goal is to "fail in safe mode", sometimes it's open, sometimes it's closed.

From the top of my head, where "fail open" is the desired outcome:

- emergency doors

- industrial cooling

- pressure valves

- probably something in HVAC

Note that none of these are "computer security people".

I noticed Claude Opus 5 did this about 30 minutes after reading your comment. In a discussion of price feeds that have gone silent, Opus said - program should fail closed. I don’t want my circuits operating without data!

good catch!

Sounds like a very narrow view on what constitutes science. There are many fields of science where there is existing data against which new ideas can be tested without additional 'real-world' measurements. Newton's theory of gravitation relied entirely on pre-existing astronomical data for which there was no existing unifying theory. He made progress by putting forward a theory which explained that data. Now you can argue that it's not really science unless you include the original data collection and subsequent real-world measurement validation steps. But I'd be comfortable saying that Newton was indeed a scientists and did make progress in science despite only doing what some might say is the 'middle' part of the process. There are plenty of modern analogs where work like this sits out there waiting to be done using existing data.

I suggest you to give a look to the MCP protocol for hardware that is being proposed by Anthropic. The hardware will be the next harness of LLMs, they will be able to operate machines to reinforce their theories.

I still think that a major problem is that biological processes are not “fast” as coding, but they are verifiable. If during post processing we are able to give enough harness to test and verify this kind of environment (maybe via simulation and real data) we will for sure achieve incredible performance also in this domain.

Great news, then! TFA: "Last week, we previewed the Model Hardware Standard, which allows Claude to directly and safely operate laboratory equipment."

When I looked at “Claude Science” which is a beta, separate desktop app, I came away with the impression that it was mostly for biology and a bit of chemistry - presumably there’s some value it can get from consulting obscure literature and uniting disparate threads of already-known stuff, but since I don’t work in either field I can’t speak much more to it.

> As someone working in science, this belief confuses me. How (by what means) do you think Fable 5.1 will be able to make further progress in scientific domains?

The same way it did in the previous versions: brute force.

I don't believe that LLMs have any particular intelligence we don't, but there's an endless list of problems we either don't have bodies to throw at, or the bodies we can throw at it, don't have such a huge large context to crunch problems.

What LLMs will always intrinsically fail at is showing us genuine new intuitions. The technology is about predicting the next plausible token/sentence.

They will not revolutionize human knowledge, but they can definitely widen it a lot.

I'd like to know too, I mean GPTs are in their own class of cringe, but Opus is by far the worst of all Anthropic's models in terms of style, Fable 5.0 was already leagues better.

Man, it’s like you and I are using very different versions of Qwen. In my experience in English Qwen is the one model that consistently lapses into using incorrect English in its responses. Like, its training corpus was clearly (unsurprisingly) lots of non-English material. The random Chinglish is jarring. Even small models like Gemma 4b write much better than Qwen.

My reading of the law was that watermarking is not required by it at all.

It’s a convenient excuse for the companies that want to add watermarking.

"this watermark is invisible to anyone who does not have the detection API"

1. This is BS since i can detect it when it writes about my codebase

2. I do not want secret codes being written inside my codebase, or anyone else's codebase that i use. The constraints of how to code why eliminate it from code itself... but there is a lot riding on the word "may". And even if it is just comments, this might explain Claude's desire to write such long ones -- long enough to encode secret messages in out material.

You’re probably better off organizing a campaign to pressure Congress to prohibit American corporations imposing foreign laws on Americans, which is what this text watermarking is, regardless of how you feel about it. I think it’s a precedent we really don’t want to go down if you believe in democracy and self-determination.

It also clearly establishes or the very least moves in the direction that you don’t actually own or control the output of AI in any manner whatsoever, you’re just paying for it since Anthropic in this case can simply essentially brand/tag all your output that is based on not directly your own words, but a higher level process or methods that you use, including your instructions and how you structure your information and what your overall objective and goal is.

Anthropic is branding it on the behest of the EU lew, which already is an entity that is diametrically opposed to democracy and self-determination based on its structure even if you ignore the fact that it violates the most fundamental concepts of self-determination in its direct contradiction of the UN Charter and implicitly the Universal Declaration of Human rights.

What people done seem to be catching onto is that the EU is becoming the world dictatorship because the USA has simply had too many onerous people and that stupid constitution and its amendments that keep roadblocks world domination for the ruling class vampire.

I am surprised Anthropic can use their models accurately solve this issue?

Are different services for different users based on geolocation really that difficult? I thought a lot of services operated like this already.

There are hundreds of benchmarks. You just need to pick a favorable dozen on release day.

This. It seems to light my usage of my max plan on fire. I’ve gone back to opus because I run out of usage in my five hour window so much more quickly.

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Do people not bother with style-output and custom definitions? Wild.

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Good news for you is that vastly cheaper models can do this much more quickly.

Bad news for Anthropic and investors is that vastly cheaper models can do this much more quickly.

Hypothetically, when the user is asking how to remove fungus from their tomatoes they’re actually growing controlled narcotics. You have been demoted to Jimmy 0.7 model, running at 0.1 tokens per second on an old C64

OPUS 5 is piece of trash and I don't think they would want to build the Opus 5 better than Fable, because fable 5 take more tokens and have 50% limit or runs on credits.

> I feel a sinking feeling of dread the moment I see a wall of text generated by Opus

Agree, Claude lost the joy of using it.

That is a measure that ranks higher than any other benchmark at this point.

Yeah, it's like day and night. It used to be really unpleasant to interact with early codex versions. Even 5.3 wasn't great. Now, I go to Sol if I need to discuss anything. I don't even bother with Opus because I know that it's going to give me a headache.

Yeah, for all the hate Gemini gets, at least it isn't obsessed with adding comments and it's output is more readable than recent Claude's.

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I don't think they care. It is up to you to consider local models or better alternatives instead of paying for more tokens at their casino.

I share this sentiment, I really did like the models... then the finger printing, encryption of thought traces, staggered access, the constant NO's from Fable on cyber related issues for looking at bugs in my own code... I'm glad I swapped to Kimi/GLM... now with the deepseek harness, I don't even miss Claude Code. I really hope open models give them the market reckoning they wholeheartedly deserve.

Not coincidentally, Claude is all Qwen needs.

It does, as per 'Compliance with the EU AI Act' section.

It isn't exactly hard for a bad actor to come up with that prompt

It makes sense. Even if it finds some exploit on your own code, who's to say you can't reuse the same exploit on some other system?

That is what Mythos is for.

Fable 5.1 apparently changes this policy.