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pixl97 11 hours ago

>Brevity is key

Which is something the providers that are trying to watermark their texts can't afford. Superfluous replies give much more opportunity to further encode this junk information.

ctoth 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This ... is not how this works. The model is not speaking longer to watermark anything.

TheOtherHobbes 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's exactly how it works - at least potentially. Lean text is harder to watermark because word choices and meanings are tightly constrained.

Low-entropy text is fluff and filler. It's very easy to synonym-substitute words without changing the message - if there even is one.

usef- 7 hours ago | parent [-]

You're assuming they're training the model to maximize the watermark signal, on top of already adding the watermark. I suspect that would hurt model performance quite a lot, and simply be unnecessary... the watermark tech works well enough as it is.

As far as I know, anthropic aren't intrinsically motivated by watermarking (if anything it hurts sales, and seems indifferent to safety(?)) they're simply doing it to fulfill the EU obligations.

northzen an hour ago | parent [-]

> As far as I know, anthropic aren't intrinsically motivated by watermarking (if anything it hurts sales, and seems indifferent to safety(?)) they're simply doing it to fulfill the EU obligations.

They are. They want to reduce the amount of LLM generated text they feed into their next model training.

Also, how would you watermark a sentence with just 3 words for an example? This exactly why it became so verbose.

skarz 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Perhaps, but there are certainly now catchphrases and words that can indicate it was written with AI i.e. load-bearing, idempotent, etc. Style and structure are in and of themselves, a fingerprint.

nick__m 10 hours ago | parent [-]

idempotent was frequently used before LLM; it's hard to talk about REST and infrastructure as code without using that word...

flipthefrog 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That makes no sense. Watermarking only became a thing in the past month. Claude has been spewing unreadable slop for much longer than that.