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300 points by Vinnl 7 hours ago | 152 comments
ThinkingGuy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Fairphone (Gen. 6+) comes with upgraded internal hardware that doesn’t compromise on our industry-leading repairability standards. The ‘plus’ isn't about adding features for a longer spec sheet; it's about intentional improvements that keep your device capable for longer.

AI-like typing detected.

nemomarx 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It really irks me that it still can't get the contrastive clauses right. "it's not about adding (more features), it's about (more features, but with a different emphasis)" is so empty of meaning. how do people copy edit this and not notice?

jerf a minute ago | parent | next [-]

The sloppiness in the AI comes from the human sloppiness on this topic. This seems like a variant of what I've seen called the "fake because", which is the idea that people don't generally analyze whether or not a given reason actually makes sense. For example, the common advertising "You need to buy this beer because it'll get you the girls". It is obvious to conscious examination by pretty much everyone that this is obviously false... the problem is getting it up to that conscious examination in the first place.

I've also noticed several times the deployment of "It's not about the X, {because} it's actually about the Y" where the connection between the X and the Y has no real logic in it upon examination. That can often be translated to "I want to change the topic to Y" without much loss. I think this is one of the primary ways that AI writing can be really exhausting to work through logically and it gets people who are for whatever reason thinking sloppily, including just the sheer exhaustion of the amount of thinking navigating the modern world takes even for someone who nominally understands how to penetrate this sort of sloppy thinking, into so much trouble when they just trust the torrent of words going by. AIs can very easily hallucinate "fake becauses" at a rate no human could possibly keep up with.

garlic_enjoyer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree that it's marketing mumbo jumbo, but it's saying "we haven't added more features because more is better, we added them because they actually improve the longevity of the product."

If anything, that sentence tells me that they are insecure of their features being perceived as bullshit.

nemomarx 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's phrased poorly for that point, though. "Unlike the competition, we aren't just adding these features to pad out a spec sheet. Each change we've made for the plus model this year will pay off in improved lifespan and better functionality for you."

Or something in that vein. Like this isn't very hard to write?

mschild an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

12 GB RAM instead of 8 and Snapdragon 7s Gen4 vs Gen3.

For an MSRP increase from 599€ to 649€ that seems like a decent deal to me.

Lord-Jobo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The root problem is that all marketing copy is like this, generated by meat sacks or weight arrays. It’s all borderline nonsense.

lotsofpulp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>how do people copy edit this and not notice?

I would assume they don’t, and they assume many people aren’t reading it either. Which includes me, even before LLMs came out. I would always skip the marketing and jump to tech specs and pictures/video.

nemomarx 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why have the marketing blurbs at all then? it's just throwing away tokens if most people don't read it.

monegator 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

SEO, basically. Same as before

dcow 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

$0.10 for a marketing blurb isn’t exactly throwing away tokens, and if it conforms to society’s expectations then probably worth the spend.

braiamp 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because you need to show something that executives can parse and people that only want to eat slop writing to read. People literally took marketing material as gospel before. They still do now.

jijijijij 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nice try, but it's generated slop all the way down, Mr. Feynman.

The tech specs aren't safe either. Last year the official Google Store had some laughable AI translations in the specs for their Pixel phones. Eg. "Rear video" was translated to "Rückansicht" ("Rear view"). That nonsensical translation for an audience of 80 million persisted for months. In 2025 blessed vibe-translation of formerly reputable sites really stood out to me.

Nobody gives a fuck about anything anymore.

fwip 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right? As opposed to all those unintentional improvements they usually put in their products.

reaperducer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

how do people copy edit this and not notice?

If they wanted to pay trained copy editors, they wouldn't use A.I.

copperx 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Where do copy editors train?

shagie 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

(to the sibling comment's point)

Professional Editor and Proofreading Course - https://careertraining.uwp.edu/training-programs/professiona...

> Professional editing is both an art and a discipline of diagnosing what a text needs and applying the right level of editorial intervention without flattening voice or intent. This skillset requires language mastery, analysis, and workflow efficiency that many aspiring editors lack. This editing and proofreading course closes that gap by treating editing as a structured profession with repeatable methods. You will discover editing style systems to help you perfect your skillset, while covering specialized domains, ethical considerations, tools and technology, as well as business operations that will help you succeed in your career as a professional editor.

> You will progress through 10 sequential modules and build real-world editor workflows, such as style sheets, author queries, consistency systems, and professional deliverables. You will also strengthen your editorial judgment across various genres and contexts. This online proofreading training program culminates in a capstone editing project that produces industry-standard artifacts, including a marked-up manuscript, editorial letter, style sheet, author queries, and reflective analysis, that will help you demonstrate your competence to prospective employers and clients.

---

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    PWP 330   COPYEDITING   3 Units
    Apply and further develop skills needed to work with authors and prepare a manuscript for publication. Focus is on the procedures of editing a manuscript, particularly editing for correctness and style, following the conventions of The Chicago Manual of Style.
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SiempreViernes 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

At communication school, there are degrees and stuff.

yieldcrv 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it sounds profound to the person that generated it

level 1 AI psychosis, really mild symptoms

abakker 4 hours ago | parent [-]

IMO it all comes down to the desire to have too my "copy" without enough to say. the people who generate it don't value their own output enough to try, which is a great way of intuiting that they have had the requirement to create copy delegated to them without them expecting that copy to be useful in any way.

In other words, "doneness" is the metric of quality for most of this stuff.

SiempreViernes 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This has it backwards, it is the AI that writes like cliched AD copy. Feast your eyes on this quote from a whiskey CEO, supposedly written in 2016:

> ‘When you bring people in from overseas [to Scotland], you’re working on their mindsets,’ he says. ‘You make them get a feeling for Scotch. It’s not about an advert, it’s about this magical industry with its rich heritage and this history.

> ‘It’s not about kilts and drums, but it’s about the Highlands, the water, the peat, the stories, and I call it softness – it’s very gentle marketing. A lot of what you’ve got to do is to win the hearts and minds.’

The waybackmachine has it first in 2019, but that's early enough to know this is 100% human trite bullshit. https://web.archive.org/web/20190823030911/https://scotchwhi...

Volundr 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is something that frustrates me a lot when I see people jumping on a piece of writing as AI generated, these AI-isms didn't show up in a vacuum. Yes, AI commonly overuses some patterns, but it got those patterns from it's training data because real people wrote (and continue to write) that way. A few matching sentences here or there is not the smoking gun people make it out to be.

0x262d 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The other thing that is characteristic of AI text is messing up the underlying meaning or fine details of what it's saying. It's not just that it's imitating people who write bad contrasting clauses, it also can't write good ones reliably.

edit: Ironically that last sentence is not super clear (but hey writing is hard and I'm constantly exposed to slop). My point is the nature of AI makes its writing worse than its training data, it's not all bad training data.

stetrain 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is only true if you consider those who write corporate press releases and post on LinkedIn to be real people. /s

Personally I find writing of this type grating whether the source was AI or the amalgamated output of a committee of humans in a PR department.

SiempreViernes 3 hours ago | parent [-]

To be fair to committees, the above quote is explicitly from a single person and I expect that is true of most AD copy simply because having one person write it is cheaper.

Committees are more about stamping out flavour by making what exists more bland, rather than adding endlessly regurgitated idioms.

jijijijij 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> but that's early enough to know this is 100% human trite bullshit

It's also lacking the toaster dash. Clear bio-signature of the unaffected hearts and minds.

guywithahat 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wonder at what point we're just going to see people writing like AI because they read it so much? That said I'm fine with companies saving money on copywriters

SiempreViernes 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I mean, AI writes copy like this because that's how copywriters did it in the training set. Honestly AI producing it so much is much more likely to make humans avoid it.

Forgeties79 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’m not. I’m tired of trying to parse this crap.

mrbluecoat 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"[GrapheneOS] lost most interest in that hardware due to the poor way privacy, security, updates and marketing based on these things has been handled."

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/28825-is-there-any-chance-o...

NoboruWataya 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm sure their concerns are valid but just because GrapheneOS don't consider the Fairphone to meet their standards for security doesn't mean it is not worth considering for other people who may have different priorities. Fairphones have certain advantages over Pixels such as better repairability and more ethically sourced labour/components. IMO it's good to see the Fairphone do well (and I hope GrapheneOS's partnership with Motorola also goes well).

stymaar 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Unfortunately it looks like it's not just a issue of missing hardware security features:

> Their partnership with Murena along with promoting it themselves with misleading marketing means no possibility of working with us.

I want to like GrapheneOS, but the pettiness of its leadership is a real problem for the long term prospect of the project.

hokumguru 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is it pettiness or just sticking to their morals? Murena, as they mentioned, forwards data to OpenAI which is against pretty much everything Graphene stands for.

Contortion 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think it's absolutely pettiness at this point, on both sides. I've lost track of the number of times I've seen a post about /e/OS on Mastodon with someone in the replies ranting about how everyone should use Graphene instead. It reminds me of the old joke about vegans.

GrapheneOS and /e/OS' goals are different - the former is about security tightening and the latter is about deGoogling. They just had a public falling out and refuse to let it go.

Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent [-]

And yet GrapheneOS is better at everything that /e/ claims.

teekert 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Not at running on sustainably produced, repairable hardware ;)

(Wish it was though.)

johnsea 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You can buy used Pixels, e.g. from 8a up. I'd claim that this is much more ecological than buying a new Fairphone. I suppose that a Pixel is of a higher quality and has less defects than a Fairphone (which changed the ODM several times). --

This said, I would never use /e/ and Murena as I read too many things I don't like.

SoftTalker 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You are trusting that your used Pixel doesn't have some non-removable rootkit installed... depending on source, and if that's even possible I don't know but I am suspect of random used hardware on FB or eBay.

Grombobulous 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Only for one voice to text feature which is completely optional to use and can be replaced with something else.

As another commenter mentioned, this voice to text feature is now an offline feature and no longer sends data outside the device.

As another note, this Fairphone can be purchased without /e/OS at all. It’s now being sold in the US without Murena being involved at all.

oever 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was not aware of Murena forwarding data to OpenAI. I'm sympathetic to Murena and their partnership with e/OS/. I looked up what it is about. /e/OS 3 uses OpenAI for Voice to Text. This is the statement where they explain this:

> To implement this approach, we chose to use the OpenAI gpt-4 transcribe API that has been designed for this purpose, is cost-effective and efficient.

https://community.e.foundation/t/clarification-about-voice-t...

On my /e/OS phone, I've installed Whisper+ voice input and disabled 'Murena Voice to Text'. I never use this features.

oever 5 hours ago | parent [-]

In the current version of /e/OS, Voice to Text runs offline.

> The earlier Voice to Text was a Premium-only, online feature: it streamed your speech to a third-party AI transcription service [...] The new Voice to Text is free, offline and on-device

https://doc.e.foundation/os/apps/voice-to-text

krunck 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Murena, as they mentioned, forwards data to OpenAI which is against pretty much everything Graphene stands for.

How? In what way? Source?

Telaneo 5 hours ago | parent [-]

https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using...

stymaar 4 hours ago | parent [-]

June 2025

Someone else shared the up to date info about this feature: https://doc.e.foundation/os/apps/voice-to-text

> The earlier Voice to Text was a Premium-only, online feature: it streamed your speech to a third-party AI transcription service through an anonymising proxy, so it required a Murena Workspace Premium subscription and an internet connection.

> The new Voice to Text is free, offline and on-device

Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>I want to like GrapheneOS, but the pettiness of its leadership is a real problem

I used to feel a bit similarly. But I've since realized they are one of the very few software projects that actually make sensible privacy and security choices.

Telaneo 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That does not seem like pettiness to me. That seems like a very good reason to not work with someone.

NetMageSCW 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Because they used to have one feature that they’ve since replaced with an offline feature?

Telaneo an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm not sure how you can read my comment to imply that.

gruez 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Here's a post with more specific allegations:

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-stand...

dnautics 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i dont get it, they are comparing eOS to graphene, not talking about the hardware.

this would be like grapheneOS not using pixel because the stock android that ships with it does not respect privacy.

am i missing something?

gruez 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You still need to rely on the OEM to properly configure the bootloader, not leak the keys, and provide updated vendor blobs.

protimewaster 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fairphone also had the publicly available test key flagged as trusted by the boot loader at one point, which probably discourages projects like GOS, since it makes it harder to trust the hardware to not be a weak link in security.

my123 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One thing in the story is that the SPU - the secure enclave on Qualcomm chips that is separate from just running on TrustZone on the main processor - is only available on Snapdragon 8 and X tier products. It's market segmented away from 7 series and below.

microtonal 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Also, I think Qualcomm has only started supporting MTE on Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5. Older and cheaper SoCs do not support it yet. Outside that, I think only Google Tensor, recent Exynos generations, and Apple A-series support MTE (though IIRC Apple has an improved extension of it).

threemux 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Looks great! For other T-Mobile users, it actually supports the full range of frequency bands. Quite a few devices claim T-Mobile support but are then missing band 12 or 71 on LTE or n71 on 5G, all of which are critical for coverage outside of cities.

Grombobulous 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The device claims AT&T and Verizon only, I’m curious about that…

threemux 4 hours ago | parent [-]

To which device are you referring?

The Fairphone 6+ is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile in the US and their MVNOs.

https://us.fairphone.com/carrier-compatibility

Grombobulous 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh this is weird. They have some contradicting information.

https://us.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-plus

Click on “see all tech specs” and under “compatibility” it says AT&T and Verizon.

But it lacks Verizon’s primary band and clearly can’t be used with it.

commoner 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exciting to see this soon after someone got the Fairphone 6 camera working on postmarketOS:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49338285

The 6+ is a different model, but the announcement says the camera module is the same.

emaro 5 hours ago | parent [-]

They even mention that they want to move on to work on the Fairphone 6+.

newsy-combi 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A friend had the Fair Phone 4. It broke after a year. Hostile customer support, not worth her time. Idk. Stories of "good guy" indie companies who drop you as soon as you fell for their marketing keep piling up. It may be greed, short sightedness or an incompetent understanding of what it means to have customers, the results are the same. See Framework for another example of this.

dustinmoorenet an hour ago | parent [-]

My Prusa Core One 3D printer has had two upgrades available at reasonable prices since I purchased it. These upgrade kits are a bit more involved than swapping out a battery or camera but in the end, I will have the latest hardware. They are a great example of "good guys" continuing to hold up their end of the bargain. I hope they make some profit from the upgrade kits because this kind of relationship is worth rewarding.

VyseofArcadia 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fairphone products have been available in the US officially for ages. This is just the ability to purchase direct from Fairphone.

I bought a Fairphone 4 from Murena years ago (and am still using it), and I bought a pair of Fairbuds XL just in April from the same.

Grombobulous 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is still a big deal and seems to come with more expanded carrier support.

fooqux 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, but only the Fairphone 4 (which is very dated at this point), and only from Murena which is a can of worms in itself. Support also ranges from non-existent to atrocious.

Directly buying from FP is a huge deal for me.

Runways 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

USB 2.0 port is the only thing preventing me from purchasing one. A wild choice since I believe previous versions did not have this limitation.

emaro 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I wonder what their reasoning behind the downgrade is. I own a FP4 and even this model features USB 3.0 with DisplayPort support.

Fnoord an hour ago | parent [-]

IIRC costs and/or size. I agree, silly change. Going from the blue to green theme is another silly change, as is renaming scheme. I like many things this company does, but some decisions I question.

I also bet a smaller, less powerful smartphone with 3.5 mm would sell like hot cakes.

zyberzero 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How often do you connect stuff to your phone, and for what purposes? I genuinely wonder!

I can't remember the last time I connected my phone to my computer for other purposes than charging the phone, but that's me and we all use our stuff different ways

Runways 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can install Linux on this device. If it had proper dock support, this would be 'the' phone I've been looking for. There is a not insignificant number of users in the forum that are skipping this phone for that reason. It would have been my first.

https://forum.fairphone.com/t/fp6-discussion-about-usb-2-and...

Grombobulous 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are only 264 replies in that forum total, and not every reply is a unique individual.

I would say that it’s easy to make an argument that this is quite an insignificant number of users even for a niche smartphone manufacturer. I can’t imagine that a lot of people actually dock their phone to use as a desktop. I would be surprised if the percent of smartphone users who do that eclipsed 0.5%.

My understanding in the iPhone world is that the most common use case for fast USB-C connectivity tends to be people doing content creation work where they’re generating a lot of high fidelity camera footage rapidly and offloading it into external storage and other professional solutions.

chaosharmonic 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> My understanding in the iPhone world is that the most common use case for fast USB-C connectivity tends to be people doing content creation work where they’re generating a lot of high fidelity camera footage rapidly and offloading it into external storage and other professional solutions.

I mean, Apple also enforces a difference in what is an iPhone vs an iPad vs a Mac, at both the OS and the application levels, regardless of what little distinction the internals have. Even without bringing mainline Linux into it, Android is generally looser about that.

> I can’t imagine that a lot of people actually dock their phone to use as a desktop.

It doesn't have to be all the time; there are lots of use cases where big displays are occasional. Pocket gaming, for instance.

Runways 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

See, that's all fine and dandy, but I would not recommend this phone to normal people anyway - especially with their record of introducing random bugs. Their whole strategy is going after niche buyers. Most people just want a phone and go through their carrier or Apple.

I have a friend who was looking into the phone and he was about to purchase it before I mentioned the port, but yes we are just geeks.

Grombobulous 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think their early adopters being niche tech nerds is a very different concept than who they are targeting through their marketing.

Scroll down the marketing page and take note of which subjects take up the largest chunk of the page space:

https://us.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-plus

The first section talks about a long warranty and sustainability. It talks about long battery life and the replaceable battery.

The next section, which is rather large, talks about the camera benefits. This is a huge section and is a very mainstream selling point.

Next is AI and Gemini, a small section.

Next is Moments, their phone mindfulness suite aimed at people battling smartphone attention/addiction issues, a very common concern among users.

Finally, the last section talks about sustainability as well as tips on switching and “what’s in the box.”

So really, zero of the marketing is aimed at niche buyers. They’re looking to sell to people who want a very normal phone experience but want something long-lasting, intentional, and sustainable, and they still need it primarily as a device to capture photos and memories as well as all the normal daily life use you’d expect.

There is zero mention of niche/nerdy features in the marketing. Tinkering and software customization is never mentioned. Professional/enthusiast use cases are never mentioned. There’s nothing talking about terminal emulation or alternative operating systems or anything of that sort.

zyberzero 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah, that makes sense, thanks! I tried that way back when Windows phone was a thing (using my phone as a desktop), I even had a small dock for my Lumia 925. It worked well enough for presentations and RDPing into my workstation.

teekert 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I for one would have loved to be able to plug a screen into the phone for a somewhat better experience + peripherals. With the 12 GB RAM though I hope to be able to runs minimal VMs and then rustdesk/VNC into those for work on the phone? It's not the same though...

I don't need USB for speed, it's all via the network anyway, even pics and videos are in Immich by the time I've found my cable.

craftkiller 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

DisplayPort Alt-Mode is important for when you smash your phone but you _need_ to access data that is on it. Maybe its your photos, text messages, or access to a banking app. Without DP Alt-Mode you're going to be waiting for a screen replacement to ship, with DP Alt-Mode you're just plugging your phone into your dock like a laptop.

Personally I would have seriously considered this phone if it wasn't for the lack of DP Alt-Mode. It would be a tiny portable Linux computer with an unlimited internet connection available anywhere. It would be the perfect thin-client. My cellular plan limits my tethered bandwidth so using the phone as my computer rather than as my computer's modem has real benefits.

teekert 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I saved al my sons data from this Samsung S10 using their Dex thing after his screen broke. Was really nice.

FP6+ would have been a no brainer for me if it had such a feature (would need to work on /e/ though) for some light dev work. Still going to buy one though (just messed up my iPhone 12 mini cams and faceID with some of Malaysia's high humidity.)

microtonal 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When we are travelling, we often hook up our phones to a hotel/apartment TV with a DP-Alt to HDMI adapter to use our own streaming services/apps. A phone without DP-Alt would be a no-go.

Telaneo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Syncing music is my main use case where USB 2 is annoying. Beyond that, pulling photos of the phone, but I rarely do that to an extent that USB 2 speeds become a problem.

tcfhgj 4 hours ago | parent [-]

that said, Fairphones habe a micro SD card slot which you can use for such things

Telaneo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, and I'd prefer to not have to take it out all the time. Especially since taking out the SD card means also taking out the SIM card.

Grombobulous 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Is wireless connectivity a barrier there? My home WiFi goes about twice as fast as USB 2.0.

My photos (I use Ente, not Google or Apple) sync in the background on WiFi, primarily while I sleep. It’s my understanding that Immich works the same way.

For music syncing I’d probably set up Syncthing-Fork and then never manually transfer again.

When I transfer ROMs to my Android gaming handheld I just use my local NAS and connect with CX File Manager. My handheld has USB 3.0 but I don’t find that plugging in a cable is particularly convenient, especially since the NAS box is in my closet.

My iPhone 17 Pro Max has very fast USB-C but I’ve never used it for anything besides charging. I’m sure professional content creation folks know of a workflow where fast USB is helpful but for my smartphone user I can’t think of a reason to use it.

Telaneo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The app I use to sync, Musicbee, doesn't work on Linux, so I have to use Wine, which for stupid reasons prevents me from syncing wirelessly. Just syncing the files isn't the problem. Syncing the metadata (number of times a song has been played, favourites) is the problem, and just dragging-and-dropping the the files onto my phone doesn't solve for this.

If I could do it wirelessly, I would, but I've never found it to be reliable in the first place the few times I've used it before (times may have changed).

microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Having to remove your SIM card (since it uses the same tray) and potentially switch off your phone to transfer files at a decent speed is meh.

monegator 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Honestly, if it was a linux phone...

I currently travel between two office locations, with identical setup (screen, dock, mouse and keyboard, ...) so i just close the laptop lid and plug in the office's type C cable coming from the screen.

Sometimes i bring along my laptop so i keep my work laptop where it's at and RDP into it from the other location (laptop just plugs into the type C cable).

Nothing really special, but it's really nice.

Then, back when google enabled desktop mode on most pixels, i of course tried it. Neat, but it's just a shittier gnome desktop with very few desktop apps. If it was a full fledged windows phone with a KDE-Touch interface that rendered a full desktop when docked, oh boy wouldn't it be neat?

Another thing to consider: For some goddamn reason i have a couple of samsung flaships that will refuse to talk to ADB if i use a 2.0 Cable. Has to be 3.0 or type C <-> Type C

fnord123 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You need to transfer more than 480Mbps over a hard line to and from your phone? Seems like a niche requirement that even iPhone 17 doesn't bother with. Or is it psychological 'nunber must go up and usb number went from 2 to 3 many years ago so now 2 bad'

NewJazz 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Even my lgv20 could do an external display.

stonogo 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Previous versions of the Fairphone did have USB3, and also Displayport Alt Mode, so you could plug the phone into a display and use Android Desktop. There's more to a given version of USB than line rate.

fnord123 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I have a fairphone 5 and actively don't like it when it asks me if I want to mirror my screen when I plug it into a charging cable attached to a monitor.

Runways 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's an issue that would be solved with a better UX on Fairphone's side though, not removing the feature entirely.

stonogo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Then you can make a tidy profit upgrading to the Fairphone 6 series and selling your phone to someone who wants that functionality. What is the point you're trying to make? We already knew different people have different preferences.

Gormo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No standard audio jack?

That's a dealbreaker for me, especially for something touting modularity, repairability, and user control.

stronglikedan 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's a ten dollar dongle that can stay attached to your audio cable out of the way when not using it and has no perceptible affect on sound quality, and there's even passthrough options for when you need to charge, so the whole no-audio-jack thing is a moot point nowadays. It's a solved problem for years now.

Gormo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Using a dongle makes it impossible to charge the phone or connect it to any other device while using audio, which I do all the time. I also frequently interchange my wired earbuds between my phone and laptop, and don't want to be bothered with an extra loose dongle when I disconnect the earbuds.

Sorry, this isn't a solved problem at all, apart from the solution of only buying phones that have audio jacks.

filoleg 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> dongle makes it impossible to charge the phone or connect it to any other device while using audio

I feel like you missed the part where the parent comment said "[...] and there's even passthrough options for when you need to charge".

SoftTalker 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I have a passthrough dongle so I can charge my iPhone in the car and use an aux audio patch cable, and it's quite a large thing, certainly not unobtrusive but if you're charging maybe that doesn't really matter.

Something like https://www.belkin.com/p/3.5mm-audio-plus-usb-c-charge-adapt...

Velocifyer 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Magnetic-Adapter-Charger-Charg... is pretty compact.

fooqux 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not saying they're related, but they also make and sell wireless headphones...

fsflover 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In this case, you may be interested in Librem 5, although the hardware is weaker.

handedness 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

'You may be interested in this $800 product.'

'I'm not interested.'

'Here's why you should be.'

What you call activism, others call shilling: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49324418

fsflover 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is not shilling. The OP explicitly told what they wanted from a phone, and there is only one phone on the market with such features. I mentioned the downside of the hardware, too.

And the reply was far from 'I'm not interested.' Your comments are unsubstantiated hate of Linux phones.

Why don't you attack the shilling comments by the GrapheneOS crowd who constantly and without basis accuse other projects of all the sins in the world? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49345327. They keep pushing GrapheneOS even when replies explicitly say it's not for them. I am not the only one who noticed this trend, too.

Gormo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's also extremely expensive. I'm more interested on seeing the next iteration of the PinePhone to fulfill the full Linux phone dream. In the meantime, commodity Android phones are still good enough.

fsflover 3 hours ago | parent [-]

$800 is not much more expensive than the Fairphone. Also, the next generation of Pinephones (Pinephone Pro) has been discontinued, because Pine64 don't want to support any firmware/driver development and rely on volunteers too much.

Fnoord an hour ago | parent [-]

It is $800 but the hardware is nowhere near equal, since Fairphone are usibg newer standards (for midrange 2026 smartphones).

You'd also have issues running backwards compatible applications. You won't have such issue on /e/, SFOS, or GrapheneOS. Of these, /e/ works on Fairphone. SFOS recently got released for latest Jolla smartphone, and GrapheneOS continues being a good option for Google Pixel and perhaps Motorola in near future.

fsflover an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes, the hardware is significantly weaker, but instead it has other benefits. It's just a different tradeoff for different preferences. It also runs a desktop OS and no proprietary drivers unlike anything else on the market. So it will get lifetime updates and can be used as, e.g., a server when you buy something new.

> issues running backwards compatible applications

Which issues? Waydroid should work.

handedness 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

> no proprietary drivers unlike anything else on the market

You continue to be deliberately deceptive with your wording.

https://docs.puri.sm/Hardware/Librem_5/Maintenance/Modem.htm...

You dishonestly promote an $800 product in comment after comment.

Hiding your obvious shilling behind the moral cloak of "activism" is pathetic. It's worse than pathetic, as it runs the risk of harming genuine activism.

jarbus 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Praying that fairphone somehow makes a foldable one day. My next phone will probably be a fold 8 because I really want a nice reading experience on the go, but I love the philosophy and love my framework laptop.

fooqux 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Considering the big players with R&D budgets valued in the billions have been struggling to make foldable phones, I can't imagine a niche player making one.

vazark 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My gripe is the lack of usb 3 / dp-alt support.

Fairphone as a whole feels like a company that prioritises the mission, but only this mission of ethical and reusable hardware. The user experience for power users who are most likely to recommend their devices feels like a let-down.

dataflow 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can someone explain why in 2026 we have artificial limits like this?

> expandable upto 2TB with microSD

I get that 2TB ought to be enough for everybody, but why the heck shouldn't a 4TB microSD Just Work?

Velocifyer 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The SDXC spec does not allow for cards bigger than 2TiB, because of address sizes. You need SDUC for above 4TB.

Telaneo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They just haven't tested anything larger.

Pfhortune 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Every time I've seen a card capacity limit like this, someone tries a bigger card and it just... works.

maxglute an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is the OS?

dmix 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That website took a very very long time to load.

abdullahkhalids 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Will it work in Canada?

Pfhortune 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Disappointed they don't have a wireless-charging-enabled backplate. And I was just about ready to pull the trigger...

I know wireless charging is wasteful... but I've got magsafe pucks everywhere in the house/car now... Let me have this one thing...

amazingamazing 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

$650 for anyone who does not want to click. Hard sell compared to the iPhone 17e but more choice is good.

Noaidi 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I would buy this phone in a second over a 17e. Replaceable parts? Expandable storage? Any companies that says they care about the environment and does not have these things are just liars.

microtonal 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Unfortunately, there were quite a lot early reports of users whose FP6 volume buttons broke or their logic boards during charging. Both are components that are not user-replaceable and it often takes Fairphone 4-6 weeks to repair them. Similarly, the head band on their FairBuds XL regularly break for a bunch of people (user replaceable, but you still have to go through their slow support if you do not want to pay for the replacement yourself).

Fairphone (in contrast to Apple) are also known for introducing really bad bugs and then not fixing them for months. Like how the FP4 could only keep a single app in memory after they introduced a memory management bug or how currently a lot of FP6 users are affected by a bug where WiFi stops working (due to an IPv6-related bug) that has been reported in March.

https://forum.fairphone.com/t/dns-over-tls-ipv6-issues-apps-...

Then there are the really weird design decisions on the FP6. Like, they put the fingerprint scanner in the power button, which makes it nearly impossible to use it one-handed with your left hand if you actually want to unlock it or use fingerprint unlock in an application. And they put the power button on the exact opposite side of the volume down button, so you make a screenshot when you want to lock the phone half of the time.

And then we haven't talked about the hardware. The speakers are pretty mediocre. The camera is only mid. The SoC even caused render slowdowns in 2026 in /e/OS, it's going to be wholly underpowered after 7 years (the new CPU in the plus is barely going to help, the 7s Gen 4 is the Gen 3 with slightly higher clocked cores).

I had the Fairphone 6 and I am happy that I was able to get rid of it for still a fairly OK price (I got it because I like their mission).

Maken 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> so you make a screenshot when you want to lock the phone half of the time

I share that pain. I use a Fairphone 6 as my main phone, and my only real gripes with it are the extremely weak haptic engine and that power button placement.

Noaidi 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> And they put the power button on the exact opposite side of the volume down button, so you make a screenshot when you want to lock the phone half of the time.

To be fair, Apple has nearly the same design.

> I got it because I like their mission

Same here. This is why we need to be buying them now, while they are working out the bugs. Small sacrifice in my mind.

microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To be fair, Apple has nearly the same design.

Yeah, I should criticize them for it too. Though the issue rarely occurs for me on iPhones I think the reason is that the volume buttons are much higher up on the iPhone. So when you do the movement one-handed where the left side rests on your palm and you use a finger to press the power button, the palm doesn't hit volume-down, which does happen on FP6 since the volume buttons are much lower on the side.

It still happened all the time on the FP6 for me after 2 months or so.

Same here. This is why we need to be buying them now, while they are working out the bugs. Small sacrifice in my mind.

Fairphone has been around since 2013 and all of their models have been plagued by really bad software and hardware issues. I think part of the problem is that the actual hardware and software development is not done by them, but a Chinese ODM (T2Mobile). For clarity, this is not a "everybody produces phones in China". If you look at their Git trees, most commits are from this Chinese ODM. I guess this introduces a delay in fixing issues plus Fairphone is probably just one of their customers.

Also, for anyone worried about security, yes it uses opaque binary blobs of Chinese origin (camera processing stuff by TCL). Well, that aside from usually being months to years behind on Qualcomm firmware blob versions (who do monthly security bulletins) and Linux kernel sources. So Fairphones typically have many known high/critical CVEs.

Fnoord 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Not all of the development. For example, Luca 'z3ntu' Weiss works at Fairphone [1].

As an owner of Fairphone 4 and 5 I disagree with you that all their soft- and hardware had really bad design flaws. Fairphone 3 was an improvement over Fairphone 2 (which had quite severe flaws), but 4 and 5 have been good. They innovated long-term support and repairable smartphones, which contributed to legislation in EU.

Fairphone 6 WiFi IPv6 has known workarounds. But it takes too long till the known fix is backported.

I also have no issue using my Fairphone with one hand, while it is in a car kit. For using it with one hand solely, device is too large (and heavy) for me.

There's enough I don't like about Fairphone. For example, software switch on side, silly change to green, renaming Gen 6 (nobody calls it that), too much marketing BS, long support queue (for like, ages), no SFOS (should've partnered with Jolla; I was excited for such announcement today). I wish they spend some more money on support instead of marketing.

And the charging issue with Fairphone 6 seems severe, but there's only like 50 people on forum who reported. It isn't a common issue, but FP 6 sold more than 4 or 5. Ie. yes it is an issue, but the WiFi issue is way more common, as were the many issues with the 2.

[1] FOSDEM 2026 - Luca Weiss https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/speaker/luca_weiss/

microtonal 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thanks for the long-term perspective!

100% agree that official Sailfish would be awesome. I don't think it is at the point where I could use a SFOS phone as my main, but I definitely want to try it at some point. It's great that there is a company that's working outside iOS/Android.

Maken 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Whoever came with calling it the "The Fairphone (Gen 6)" instead of "Fairphone 6" should have been fired on the spot.

NetMageSCW 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It was dumb when Apple did it and it’s even dumber to copy it. Of course, it was also dumb when Apple repurposed the sleep/power button for Siri.

hedora 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’d pay twice what they are asking for one with a reasonably sized screen.

I’m holding on to my iphone mini, but apparently people buy the razr and just leave it closed 100% of the time.

That’s $700, and not having the dumb hinge mechanism and internal facing display would be a selling point for many.

guywithahat 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean replacing a battery is something you do, at most, once every 5-7 years. If removing the battery requires a heat gun then it's not the worst thing imo.

fsflover 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You can also carry one or two spare batteries with you and get from zero to 100% charge in a minute.

the_gamedev 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wondering if fairphone will ever be officially available in india. I would like a no bloatware and repairable device.

idiotsecant 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I got excited about this until i realized still no graphene. It seems like both sides have a huge incentive to support the other, I wish they would make it happen.

teekert 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This always comes up, it will probably never happen, makes me sad as well.

AdmiralAsshat 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No Verizon support. :(

Alcor 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How is that still a thing? I can’t think of a phone here in Europe that you can’t just put a SIM card from any carrier in and it will work.

davey48016 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From Fairphone's US order page

> Critical Notice: The device does not support LTE Band 13 (Verizon's primary coverage frequency).

Presumably that frequency isn't used in Europe? It also says that it's "not certified for use on the Verizon Wireless network." I don't know if that means Verizon might block it (which sounds like a very US thing) or it's related to not supporting the frequency that Verizon uses for LTE.

Onawa 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because the United States sucks in regards to mobile phone compatibility and spectrum allocation. https://share.gemini.google/u6E8mAiITMcJ

Zambyte 4 hours ago | parent [-]

What is that link?

righthand 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The evolution of low effort copy+paste LLM response. Now Google can track everyone who wants that information and people can be just as rude as before when they copy+pasted LLM responses into conversations, but now it's sly.

mmooss 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's been true for much of the history of cellular networks, as far as I know - universal standards in Europe, US phones can't (always) be moved between service providers. It used to be even worse in the US, with phones locked to individual carriers regardless of technology.

That's some of the European over-regulation that everyone complains about, compared to unfettered American competition.

wilsonnb3 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interesting, the tech specs page said Verizon was supported but the carrier coverage page says it isn’t

Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why use Verizon directly? It's insanely overpriced. US mobile and others provide better prices, service, features, security, and customer service. If it doesn't work on their towers, US mobile allows you to switch to at&t and t mobile towers.

Noaidi 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, that’s a bummer. But I’m seriously thinking about switching to AT&T over this, but I would need to know if the frequencies are covered as good on AT&T.

I can’t believe how few choices we have in cell phones in the United States. Where is all the innovation I keep hearing everyone talk about?

NetMageSCW 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What are you talking about? There are hundreds of different cell phones available for sale in the US.

silisili 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

Hundreds might be pushing it.

If you as a user want a modern, high end or top of the line cell phone, you're pretty much just stuck with Apple or Samsung. Maybe Google. If you remove the minor variants each has that's just 3.

We used to have many more - OnePlus obviously, Honor, Huawei, LeEco, HTC, LG, ASUS, Essential, Blackberry, etc.

lotsofpulp 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How are you going to innovate installing hundreds of thousands of cell towers across the USA?

Mobile network via satellite might increase number of network providers by 1 or 2, but the physics problem of needing tons of physical assets to create a wireless network usable by small, low powered devices remains.

I guess you could innovate some new physics that allows you to send wireless signals through more surfaces, that is also not ionizing radiation to animal and plant tissue, and doesn’t need a lot of power to send from a mobile device. That is a lot to ask, though.

Noaidi 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Cell towers in the United States are primarily owned by three major companies: American Tower, Crown Castle, and SBA Communications. These companies build, acquire, and lease space on the towers to wireless providers.

No more infrastructure needs to be built.

NetMageSCW 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

When you say lease space to wireless providers, what do the carriers do with that leased space? Do you think that could be called infrastructure needed for that carrier’s coverage?

Also, there are enough dead zones that satellite direct to cell is a thing.

delfinom 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Innovation in the US is mainly how many more creative ways they can suck money out of consumers.

mxuribe 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I can’t believe how few choices we have in cell phones in the United States. Where is all the innovation I keep hearing everyone talk about?

The beginning of your sentence - "I can’t believe how few choices we have..." - can be applied equally sadly to other areas here in the U.S....such as but not limited to lack of choice of residential ISPs, or lack of choice (or generally mis-incentivized) healthcare providers, or lack of choice of mobile service providers, or, etc., or etc. And, of course, your last part of your comment asking where the innovation is? Well, innovation often is pocketed in those who control the capital, and only released little by little at the whims of releasing more capital. Sorry, i have to step away, cuz felt sad instantly just citing my own comments here. :-(

roflcopter69 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Inb4 people complaining that Fairphones are overpriced lmao