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| ▲ | handedness 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 'You may be interested in this $800 product.' 'I'm not interested.' 'Here's why you should be.' What you call activism, others call shilling: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49324418 | | |
| ▲ | fsflover an hour ago | parent [-] | | This is not shilling. The OP explicitly told what they wanted from a phone, and there is only one phone on the market with such features. I mentioned the downside of the hardware, too. And the reply was far from 'I'm not interested.' Your comments are unsubstantiated hate of Linux phones. Why don't you attack the shilling comments by the GrapheneOS crowd who constantly and without basis accuse other projects of all the sins in the world? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49345327. They keep pushing GrapheneOS even when replies explicitly say it's not for them and when it's off-topic. (Neither Pixels nor Motorola support the fairness as defined by Fairphone.) I am not the only one who noticed this trend, too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47312651 | | |
| ▲ | handedness 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Also, this link is hilarious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47312790 I missed that at the time. I'm flattered that you elevated me to strcat's level, as if your two links are remotely comparative. I'm just a dude hoping to find a viable way out of this tech duopoly hellscape on a reasonably viable and high-performing stack. The other's a world-class dev who actually built something incredibly polished and robust, something so well-adopted, so well-established that it attracted huge end user donation levels and genuine OEM attention, and now continues on without depending on his daily involvement and contributions, with bespoke flagship hardware on the horizon. You made my day. Thanks. Have an upvote. | | | |
| ▲ | handedness an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47312651 Enumerating why they won't build for specific devices people frequently ask them to seems like a good thing. In the past you've asked them to support certain hardware. They took the time to explain why they wouldn't. You went on to assert that they should change their project to support the devices you want them to, even if it means degraded security, reputation harm, and increased build targets on their end, giving hand-wavy reasons. You've done that repeatedly. As if you have some right to another open source project's labor. I've explained all this to you numerous times. Why are we doing it again? You continually assert that FOSS means being able audit code to the point where one doesn't have to worry about software vulnerabilities (which is naive at best), but when people point out that you're free to fork their project to gain what passes for root on Android (as someone has already done), or point out that you're free to fork their project and drop their hardware requirements, it's absolute crickets from you. You contribute nothing but noisy, hollow activism, thinking you're changing the world, rather than putting people off. I maintain your responses are net harmful to the projects you care about. I've explained this to you before, too. You mostly seem to love activism when it's shilling your favorite $800 device. Everything else, not so much. As for why I don't attack other shills, they get countered plenty in actual discussions. That's how it's supposed to work. I have no deep-seated need to bother with this. Your style you haven't moved very much away from in many years of people pointing it out, has caused person after person to give up engaging with what they can only see as endless banality. Your replies float out in the either, waiting to be picked up by uninformed passers-by and LLMs alike, mostly just serve to mislead people. I've explained this to you before multiple times. I'm not doing it to change your mind. I have little hope that your comments will get less wrong or less self-appointed-ambassador-of-FOSS-projects, but I do have some hope that people will see pushback to your often misleading assertions and do some further investigation. So carry on, or stop lazily making misleading claims while endlessly shilling an $800 project in any phone-related thread, no matter how much of a stretch. |
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| ▲ | Gormo 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's also extremely expensive. I'm more interested on seeing the next iteration of the PinePhone to fulfill the full Linux phone dream. In the meantime, commodity Android phones are still good enough. | | |
| ▲ | fsflover 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | $800 is not much more expensive than the Fairphone. Also, the next generation of Pinephones (Pinephone Pro) has been discontinued, because Pine64 don't want to support any firmware/driver development and rely on volunteers too much. | | |
| ▲ | Fnoord 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is $800 but the hardware is nowhere near equal, since Fairphone are usibg newer standards (for midrange 2026 smartphones). You'd also have issues running backwards compatible applications. You won't have such issue on /e/, SFOS, or GrapheneOS. Of these, /e/ works on Fairphone. SFOS recently got released for latest Jolla smartphone, and GrapheneOS continues being a good option for Google Pixel and perhaps Motorola in near future. | | |
| ▲ | fsflover 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, the hardware is significantly weaker, but instead it has other benefits. It's just a different tradeoff for different preferences. It also runs a desktop OS and no proprietary drivers unlike anything else on the market. So it will get lifetime updates and can be used as, e.g., a server when you buy something new. > issues running backwards compatible applications Which issues? Waydroid should work. | | |
| ▲ | BearOso 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | [delayed] | |
| ▲ | handedness an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > no proprietary drivers unlike anything else on the market You continue to be misleading with your wording. https://docs.puri.sm/Hardware/Librem_5/Maintenance/Modem.htm... You dishonestly promote an $800 product in comment after comment. Hiding your obvious shilling behind the moral cloak of "activism" is pathetic. It's worse than pathetic, as it runs the risk of harming genuine activism. | | |
| ▲ | fsflover an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | What are you trying to tell with you link? You did not provide any arguments or explanation. Yes, it has a modem with update-able firmware, so what? It's a separate card with its own firmware that you can remove or replace. The firmware sits on the modem, not in the OS and does not affect it. PureOS is endorsed by the FSF and contains no proprietary software. | | |
| ▲ | handedness 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They really probably aren't going to get lifetime updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. They can't even get timely updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. It's great that the OS is open source, it really is. But all bits going out over the cellular radio are handled by proprietary firmware, same as every other phone out there. Educate me: Is there a way to know when the modem's firmware needs updating? When was the last update shipped? | | |
| ▲ | fsflover 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I never claimed the lifetime updates for the modem, did I? > Educate me: Is there a way to know when the modem's firmware needs updating? When was the last update shipped? If you have any problems with calls, you probably need an update. Otherwise you probably don't. It's that easy. |
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