Is it pettiness or just sticking to their morals? Murena, as they mentioned, forwards data to OpenAI which is against pretty much everything Graphene stands for.

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Contortion 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think it's absolutely pettiness at this point, on both sides. I've lost track of the number of times I've seen a post about /e/OS on Mastodon with someone in the replies ranting about how everyone should use Graphene instead. It reminds me of the old joke about vegans.

GrapheneOS and /e/OS' goals are different - the former is about security tightening and the latter is about deGoogling. They just had a public falling out and refuse to let it go.

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fabrice_d 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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Cider9986 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet GrapheneOS is better at everything that /e/ claims.

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teekert 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Not at running on sustainably produced, repairable hardware ;)

(Wish it was though.)

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johnsea 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You can buy used Pixels, e.g. from 8a up. I'd claim that this is much more ecological than buying a new Fairphone. I suppose that a Pixel is of a higher quality and has less defects than a Fairphone (which changed the ODM several times). --

This said, I would never use /e/ and Murena as I read too many things I don't like.

	▲	SoftTalker 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You are trusting that your used Pixel doesn't have some non-removable rootkit installed... depending on source, and if that's even possible I don't know but I am suspect of random used hardware on FB or eBay.

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Grombobulous 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Only for one voice to text feature which is completely optional to use and can be replaced with something else.

As another commenter mentioned, this voice to text feature is now an offline feature and no longer sends data outside the device.

As another note, this Fairphone can be purchased without /e/OS at all. It’s now being sold in the US without Murena being involved at all.

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oever 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was not aware of Murena forwarding data to OpenAI. I'm sympathetic to Murena and their partnership with e/OS/. I looked up what it is about. /e/OS 3 uses OpenAI for Voice to Text. This is the statement where they explain this:

> To implement this approach, we chose to use the OpenAI gpt-4 transcribe API that has been designed for this purpose, is cost-effective and efficient.

https://community.e.foundation/t/clarification-about-voice-t...

On my /e/OS phone, I've installed Whisper+ voice input and disabled 'Murena Voice to Text'. I never use this features.

	▲	oever 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		In the current version of /e/OS, Voice to Text runs offline. > The earlier Voice to Text was a Premium-only, online feature: it streamed your speech to a third-party AI transcription service [...] The new Voice to Text is free, offline and on-device https://doc.e.foundation/os/apps/voice-to-text

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krunck 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Murena, as they mentioned, forwards data to OpenAI which is against pretty much everything Graphene stands for.

How? In what way? Source?

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Telaneo 6 hours ago | parent [-]

https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using...

	▲	stymaar 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		June 2025 Someone else shared the up to date info about this feature: https://doc.e.foundation/os/apps/voice-to-text > The earlier Voice to Text was a Premium-only, online feature: it streamed your speech to a third-party AI transcription service through an anonymising proxy, so it required a Murena Workspace Premium subscription and an internet connection. > The new Voice to Text is free, offline and on-device

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transdev12 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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