| ▲ | BMW Spider-Man in-car advertising(consumerrights.wiki) |
| 174 points by goplayoutside 3 hours ago | 98 comments |
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| ▲ | helterskelter 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Great way to tank a brand. Part of BMW's value is/was the expectation of an upper middle class snob driving it, but having your car force ads on you is something people wouldn't even expect from a Kia Soul leased off a used lot. |
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| ▲ | dehrmann 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's like a basic Kindle. Or Ryanair. Between this, the proprietary nut patent, and the heated seat subscription, I'm probably not going to look at BMW for my next car. They've been going back on things, but all of this adds up to they don't get it. | | |
| ▲ | beAbU a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | How can you put Ryanair and BMW in the same category? Ryanair's whole shtick is "we'll treat you like cattle in a truck, and you'll be grateful you only paid €20 for the experience". I feel that anyone who is outraged by their nickel-and-diming doesn't really understand what Ryanair is about. If I paid €200 for a flight from Dublin to Amsterdam, and they forced me to watch ads on the seatback screen and charged me to use the loo, then I'll be rightfully upset. But €50 for Ryanair? Where do I sign up for the €20 standing-only tickets? | |
| ▲ | Barbing 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >basic Kindle Praise be to AdBreak https://kindlemodding.org/jailbreaking/AdBreak I practically own it now! Ryanair: can’t recall if they’re worse than Spirit/Frontier. “We have one price for tiny people flying with the shirt on their back, and other prices for everyone else like those who might need luggage, or, liquid to survive.“ | |
| ▲ | riffraff an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ryanair is the epitome of "cheap with compromise" which is the opposite of the BMW brand. And kindle basic gets advertising as a known feature at buying time. Pushing advertisment after sale on a premium product is absolutely not similar. | | |
| ▲ | Barbing 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I had to edit my comment saying it might not have been a fair comparison because I realized they might’ve just been dissing BMW pretty hard. ‘Enjoy your “luxury“ car’, the kind of “luxury“ that appeals to subsidized e-reader buyers and discount airline customers. And I like that. If BMW can’t resist monetizing their customers’ attention, they don’t deserve the higher-end customers their marketing suggests they desire. |
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| ▲ | 2muchcoffeeman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A BMW is like a flagship smart phone. It looks like luxury, but everyone has them. | | |
| ▲ | Barbing 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Are you including people who own older BMWs? They look like really great deals on the used market. Just don’t check the five-year total cost of ownership. If it’s not new, it’s gonna cost you in the shop. Maybe every year or so. Also I think everyone in our social circles have flagship phones but $50 Android pre-paids sell pretty well. (Someone probably knows, unlike me, the exact numbers.) |
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| ▲ | mplewis 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, it's obviously not like that. |
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| ▲ | dzhiurgis 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s not forced. You have to click icon. Not the smartest move, but not exactly ominous. Plenty of other bad software decisions in bmw. | | |
| ▲ | Barbing a minute ago | parent [-] | | Sounds like it is forced and it’s an entire banner. Imagine the click-through rate on something your car shows you compared to your average ad. |
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| ▲ | calmbonsai 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yup. I'd say ICE cars peaked in UX, performance, and safety in the early 2000s. | | |
| ▲ | kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This has nothing to do with the method used to propel the vehicle. There's nothing stopping this from happening in an EV. | | |
| ▲ | sandworm101 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Correct. This is about the people who buy new cars. The manufacturers are addressing a well-studied market. Those with money, those who can afford to be "early adopters' of new tech are the sort of people who actually want these features. They want computer screens. They want car-phone synchronization. They want a car that can be "repaired" over an internet connection because that saves interacting with a tradesperson with skills they do not understand or appreciate. Cars are scary for such people. Phones are not. So making the car as phone-like as possible sells more cars. | |
| ▲ | edoceo an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The electric motor is better for torque and speed than ICE. |
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| ▲ | rvz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Part of BMW's value is/was the expectation of an upper middle class snob driving it BMWs are no where near for that "class". A Mercedes-Benz is for that and even they also put ads in their own dashboard screens. [0] So on HN-land, time to rule out BMWs, Chevrolets, Mercedes-Benz, Teslas, Volkswagens, Kias. What else? [0] https://www.motor1.com/news/797846/mercedes-screen-plays-ads... | | |
| ▲ | ehnto an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Mercs and BMWs occupy the same market space. They are direct competitors. Mercedes may have a car or two that reaches just out of upper middle class but they are largely a middle to upper middle class brand, just like BMW. The fact that Merc would do it too just means they are both happy cheapening their brand to align with practices of cheap off-brand android TVs. | | |
| ▲ | dash2 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Actually Apple will also put advertising on your phone if you have one of the dynamic carousel things and you walk into the wrong area. |
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| ▲ | jchw 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think I'll be buying recent model years any time soon. | | |
| ▲ | femto 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm beginning to think that my '96 Toyota Starlet is "peak ICE". It has EFI, no infotainment, no power windows, no power steering, no automatic transmission. It is basically an engine, gearbox and wheels. An electric Starlet would be Nirvana. Edit: Just read that Toyota is toying with the idea of an electric Starlet. It'll probably have an infotainment system and power "everything" though. https://www.drive.com.au/news/2026-toyota-starlet-rumours/ | | |
| ▲ | fy20 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm not a mechanic but I have rebuilt an engine (common rail diesel with electronic injection) with a friend and do some work on my own cars. I don't really get the "everything needs to be mechanical" push. My previous car was mid 2000s, automatic, electronic basically everything. The reason why I scrapped it was because it had too must rust. The engine, transmission, and electronics were still fine after 200k and 20 years of harsh winters. My current car had an electrical issue last year... but it turned out it was a mechanical issue. Something had chewed through the wires to the MAF sensor. Fixed them, and all good. It's no different from something chewing through a fuel line, except OBD was able to tell me what subsystem was not working correctly. The problem I see with current cars is that the infotainment system is tied into everything - and usually the software sucks. If they just went back to seperate dashboard, AC controls and radio I'd have no issues with them. My current car is from 2016, and I specifically looked for something that was like that. It is hybrid and has modern tech (e.g. radar cruise control), but everything is compartmentalised. First upgrade I did was replacing the headunit with a Chinese one that supports Android Auto/CarPlay. No functionality was lost, as the old head unit was literally just a radio and screen for backup camera. |
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| ▲ | larusso 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just saying that these brands have different offerings in different countries. Here in Germany all big brands: Audi, BMW, Mercedes and VW etc have offerings from low lever to luxury car. | |
| ▲ | yegle 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Volvo, with their terrible infortainment system's performance, I'm not sure if it's capable of displaying ads. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | And here you thought they were just incompetent. Turns out, they've been looking out for you this whole time |
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| ▲ | kridsdale1 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My Lexus 2025 remains perfect and user friendly. I have all the online connected stuff enabled. Zero enshitification. | | |
| ▲ | maxnevermind 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Why 2025 though? It didn't yet pass the test of time and there is not enough failure rate data on it. Toyotas(Lexus) do have serious quality issues too, rarely but that happens for certain models from time to time. | |
| ▲ | mentalfist 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Many NA produced lexus models have seen deteriorating quality issues past 5 or so years. Maybe yours is produced in Japan? | |
| ▲ | ludicrousdispla 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >> Zero enshitification. Lexus should put that on the cover of their product brochure. | |
| ▲ | roundwego 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Lexus is a kino sleeper. |
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| ▲ | chaostheory 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You make it sound like there's no choice. Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura don't do it to my knowledge. Am I wrong? EDIT Add Volvo and Genesis to the list of no ads |
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| ▲ | c7b an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It sounds awful, but it might not even make the top-5 of the most annoying/concering things you'll get in a new car (bought in the EU at least), many of which are now mandatory by regulation. What you'll also get is a camera that tracks your eye movements to play an alert when they're not on the road, an alarm when you drive over the allowed speed limit as determined by a camera, an alarm plus a mechanical yanking of your driving wheel when you're approaching the side of your lane without a turn signal on. As a cherry on top it's unclear what happens with all the data generated by these systems. And I'm probably forgetting a few. I'm wondering what a good cutoff date is when considering buying a used car. |
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| ▲ | maxgashkov 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I get all of these with more or less recent (2023) Mazda here in Japan, but all of them can be turned off in settings. Are they always-on in EU? | | |
| ▲ | mdp2021 a few seconds ago | parent | next [-] | | (I checked the directives weeks ago.) In the eu, the general idea is "you can disable the functions each time you restart the car - they will be re-enabled as the car is off". Some people spend minutes turning off the annoying parts from the settings before starting the car, each time. | |
| ▲ | c7b 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I haven't driven a recent model but afaik the answer for most is Yes, or at best you can disable them for the current ride and they turn on again automatically on every start. | | |
| ▲ | maxgashkov 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That's quite insane then. Especially the lane departure warning / assist was downright dangerous in snowy conditions when the road markings became partially covered, I cannot imagine driving with that setting on all the time. | | |
| ▲ | Griffinsauce 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The "lane assist" is very dangerous. I don't understand how this got in cars to begin with, nevermind become mandatory. It's super "fun" with temporary marking around road works. I bet it works perfectly in a lab but in the real world.. | | |
| ▲ | consp 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I've never had a point where it is dangerous. It vibrates the steering wheel and that's it. Even on the autobahn's 2.20m wide roadwork left lanes it works good/not bad enough I just leave it on. Lane keeping is not mandatory, only a warning system. | | |
| ▲ | maxgashkov 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I guess it depends on the maker. For my car it nudges the wheel back into the lane in addition to vibrating. |
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| ▲ | dylan604 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My 2015 has none of these things. It has a rear camera, no telemetry, physical buttons, no internal nav, and no giant tough screen. | | |
| ▲ | mdp2021 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > My 2015 has none of these things The eu has started pushing those things with a 2016 (I believe) regulation that imposed "all cars approved for production after 2018 must have an "e-Call" system (internal GPS, microphone and telephone connected to the police in case of car crash)". And then more, and then more, and still more... | |
| ▲ | DanOpcode 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Same in my car from 2017. Also has rear camera, no infotainment other than bluetooth (so I guess it doesn't have any telemetry), physical buttons, no internal nav, no EU warning systems, no alerts that I need to turn off. Perfect car. Very peaceful to drive. |
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| ▲ | cuu508 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Texting and driving is a real problem. |
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| ▲ | narmiouh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Samsung the same with their display on fridge, I'm not sure how is this legal and why someone thinks this is ok. These decision makers are meant to be educated people with may be at least a tiny bit of values in their lives... |
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| ▲ | cautiouscat 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree that it’s abhorrent. However the doomer in me can’t help but think they do these things because consumers still buy them. You’d expect GE to go “Oh yeah well we don’t put ads on OUR fridges.” but it seems like in every industry they all just follow suit. | | |
| ▲ | jaredhallen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I suppose they've determined the revenue from the ads outweighs the potential competitive advantage. | | |
| ▲ | polotics 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Or they know it's a race to the bottom where as long as every brand's doing it, consumers have no choice... |
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| ▲ | dfxm12 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not like they're showing ads on fridges/cars in the commercials or the display units in Lowe's/the dealership. By the time you see the ad, it's too much of a hassle to return it, even if you can... |
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| ▲ | DanOpcode 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | On my Samsung TV recently on the start page some ad has started to show up, years after I bought it. No idea if I can get rid of it. I barely watch TV though, so I don't really care about wasting time trying to get rid of it. But I will for sure avoid Samsung in future TV purchases. | |
| ▲ | tootie 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No coincidence, BMW and Samsung did product placement in the movie too. Very conspicuously. |
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| ▲ | DrewADesign 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wonder if they say: "A new life awaits you in the Off-world colonies. The chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure." |
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| ▲ | inasio 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The main story in the wiki page comes from the Autopian [0], specifically from Jason Torchinsky, ex Jalopnik. It's an awesome publication, check them out, and Jason is an incredible writer (Onion alumni) [0] https://www.theautopian.com/bmw-is-showing-commercials-on-th... |
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| ▲ | DanOpcode 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wouldn't it be fair if BMW at least shared the advertisement revenue with the car owners? It's so ugly that they first sell cars, and profit from that. And then they utilize the fleet of cars to squeeze out more revenue, even though that was never part of the contract to begin with. What right does BMW have to do that? If they found a new revenue source, it would be nice if they at least shared that with their customers. Now it's just abuse of their customers. Where BMW is one-sided profiting while the customers are suffering. |
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| ▲ | wvenable 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Wouldn't it be fair if BMW at least shared the advertisement revenue with the car owners? No. | | |
| ▲ | DanOpcode 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I mean, I don't know of it's still around, but the ad-supported Amazon Kindle was at least cheaper than the regular version. So the customer got some compensation for being shown ads. |
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| ▲ | tmcnally 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| BMWs have decent 'mod' support, if you fully own a msport/M you can be mitigating OTA updates in firmware to retain your perf/exhaust pops as regulations/OEMs change goals. Original firmware b58s (m340/z4m40) are infamously coveted for specific software/hardware versions... Same logic can be applied to this strange advert thingy |
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| ▲ | OptionOfT 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Engine modules are locked because of regulation to ensure that emissions control remain in place. Pops don't disappear with software updates. Pops disappeared in Europe because of the dreaded OPF. |
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| ▲ | fumeux_fume 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > BMW's own PressClub release described the advertisement as a special surprise for drivers... That one got a chuckle out of me |
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| ▲ | userbinator 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Like coming back to your car getting broken into, a surprise doesn't necessarily have to be a positive one. |
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| ▲ | tonyedgecombe 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Whilst we are having a dig at BMW owners it turns out that most of them don't know whether their car is front or rear wheel drive. https://www.motortrend.com/news/bmw-80-of-1series-owners-don... |
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| ▲ | walrus01 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If please drink a verification can was applied to automobiles. |
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| ▲ | powerpcmac 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The car will remain in park until you roll down the windows and yell "I love McDonalds!" | | |
| ▲ | squirtle24 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Spend $20 at your local Burger King and we'll turn off that oil leak! | |
| ▲ | walrus01 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Earn 300 bonus BMWBucks by visiting your local Taco Bell (R) (TM) drive through in the next 15 minutes! Limited time offer! | | |
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| ▲ | OsrsNeedsf2P 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Great to see the Consumer Rights wiki has been picking up steam. Lots of passionate people behind the project |
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| ▲ | haritha-j 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This and the eye tracking could make a killer combo. “Stare at this ad for 30s to unlock the drive gear”. |
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| ▲ | smlacy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The ultimate driving machine... for marginal revenue. |
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| ▲ | userbinator 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hopefully their lawyers have considered the possibility of a bug causing this ad to play while the car is being driven and leading to a distracted driving accident... on suitably equipped vehicles running BMW Operating System 7, 8, 8.5, 9, or OS X built after July 2020 For those who were surprised by that naming, Apple hasn't used "OS X" for nearly 10 years. |
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| ▲ | foo12bar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This looks like it, possibly. There doesn't seem to be a banner that you click on like it states in the consumer rights article, but rather an icon, so not sure. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Z8v2tsYdgRk |
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| ▲ | OptionOfT 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The icon is there to replay it. It'll auto-play like the 4th of July video. |
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| ▲ | luciana1u an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| at this point the luxury car feature is that nothing in it demands your attention. a screen that just shows the speed and the fuel gauge and shuts up |
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| ▲ | ehnto an hour ago | parent [-] | | The safety of a 2025 with the driving UX of a 1995 is what I want. |
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| ▲ | bredren 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A month ago the highly upvoted blog entry [0] about Rivian’s rejection of CarPlay included this quote from Rivian’s Chief Software Officer, Wassym Bensaid: The challenge with screen mirroring solutions is that they take over every single pixel in the car, and that’s not the way we see ourselves interacting with our users.
Yes, it’s clear the companies’ see the way they want to “interact” with their customers is to force whatever content they please.[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48769397 |
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| ▲ | Rohunyyy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Shocked. Absolutely shocked. No one saw this coming |
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| ▲ | Neil44 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My BYD doesn't do this. |
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| ▲ | DanOpcode 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Soon Chinese tech will be viewed as premium class while their competitors are eroding their quality. |
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| ▲ | wewewedxfgdf 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Enshittification of everything. |
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| ▲ | jcastro 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Shades of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_of_Innocence_(U2_album)#... |
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| ▲ | LeoPanthera 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't see how. One is a full-screen commercial. The other is a free album in your library. | | |
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| ▲ | fnord77 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I got hit with this Wednesday morning when I started my 330i. I cannot wait to sign up for the class action lawsuit. |
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| ▲ | fragmede 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One of the best things one of me mates from high school did for me, is buy himself a BMW. The amount of problems and money he had to deal with helped me realize I didn't actually want a BMW, they're just nice to look at. |
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| ▲ | genter 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They're also really nice to drive (at least when they work). | | |
| ▲ | calmbonsai 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Only the older ones without screens. A naturally aspirated inline 6 with a manual gearbox and 50/50 weight distribution is it's own special kind of bliss. I only take it out maybe 20 times per year, but after merely 30s behind the wheel I remember why I keep it. | | | |
| ▲ | fragmede 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh he let me drive it a couple of times and the thing was an absolute beast. |
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| ▲ | Markoff an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | they were nice to look at before they hired some military tank designer and even looking at them is safe only seen they are parked, I warned my kids to be extra vigilant when they are nearby BMW on the road, by far the most dangerous drivers on the road with mental issues |
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| ▲ | Markoff an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| this is what you get for buying cheap noname brand car from Temu similar thing happened with that British LGBT brand, which is gone though it's clear people who buy BMW are not mentally sane anyway, I'm yet to see BMW driver with stable personality who would not vent their mental issues on the road, these people will buy BMW with literally any design and specs just because it's BMW, no matter it looks like ugly tank I honestly believe if we banned BMW car registrations number of accidents would drop much more than it's their total share on registrations. |
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| ▲ | timc3 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Seriously not helpful, and have you actually matched this opinion to the statistics which are freely available? |
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| ▲ | onetokeoverthe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| and the in-dash eye tracking device shows 66% of drivers engage for at least 5 seconds!! |
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| ▲ | artisinal 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The ad will pause if you look away! | | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira an hour ago | parent [-] | | I suppose it could be worse. The ad could torture you with loud high pitched noise until you look at it, like in Black Mirror's 15 million merits. |
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| ▲ | asciii 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Drove a lot of BMWs when I was working summers as a mechanic |
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