| ▲ | helterskelter 3 hours ago |
| Great way to tank a brand. Part of BMW's value is/was the expectation of an upper middle class snob driving it, but having your car force ads on you is something people wouldn't even expect from a Kia Soul leased off a used lot. |
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| ▲ | dehrmann 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's like a basic Kindle. Or Ryanair. Between this, the proprietary nut patent, and the heated seat subscription, I'm probably not going to look at BMW for my next car. They've been going back on things, but all of this adds up to they don't get it. |
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| ▲ | beAbU 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | How can you put Ryanair and BMW in the same category? Ryanair's whole shtick is "we'll treat you like cattle in a truck, and you'll be grateful you only paid €20 for the experience". I feel that anyone who is outraged by their nickel-and-diming doesn't really understand what Ryanair is about. If I paid €200 for a flight from Dublin to Amsterdam, and they forced me to watch ads on the seatback screen and charged me to use the loo, then I'll be rightfully upset. But €50 for Ryanair? Where do I sign up for the €20 standing-only tickets? | |
| ▲ | Barbing an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >basic Kindle Praise be to AdBreak https://kindlemodding.org/jailbreaking/AdBreak I practically own it now! Ryanair: can’t recall if they’re worse than Spirit/Frontier. “We have one price for tiny people flying with the shirt on their back, and other prices for everyone else like those who might need luggage, or, liquid to survive.“ | |
| ▲ | riffraff 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ryanair is the epitome of "cheap with compromise" which is the opposite of the BMW brand. And kindle basic gets advertising as a known feature at buying time. Pushing advertisment after sale on a premium product is absolutely not similar. | | |
| ▲ | Barbing 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I had to edit my comment saying it might not have been a fair comparison because I realized they might’ve just been dissing BMW pretty hard. ‘Enjoy your “luxury“ car’, the kind of “luxury“ that appeals to subsidized e-reader buyers and discount airline customers. And I like that. If BMW can’t resist monetizing their customers’ attention, they don’t deserve the higher-end customers their marketing suggests they desire. |
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| ▲ | 2muchcoffeeman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A BMW is like a flagship smart phone. It looks like luxury, but everyone has them. | | |
| ▲ | Barbing 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Are you including people who own older BMWs? They look like really great deals on the used market. Just don’t check the five-year total cost of ownership. If it’s not new, it’s gonna cost you in the shop. Maybe every year or so. Also I think everyone in our social circles have flagship phones but $50 Android pre-paids sell pretty well. (Someone probably knows, unlike me, the exact numbers.) |
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| ▲ | mplewis 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, it's obviously not like that. |
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| ▲ | calmbonsai 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yup. I'd say ICE cars peaked in UX, performance, and safety in the early 2000s. |
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| ▲ | kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This has nothing to do with the method used to propel the vehicle. There's nothing stopping this from happening in an EV. | | |
| ▲ | sandworm101 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Correct. This is about the people who buy new cars. The manufacturers are addressing a well-studied market. Those with money, those who can afford to be "early adopters' of new tech are the sort of people who actually want these features. They want computer screens. They want car-phone synchronization. They want a car that can be "repaired" over an internet connection because that saves interacting with a tradesperson with skills they do not understand or appreciate. Cars are scary for such people. Phones are not. So making the car as phone-like as possible sells more cars. | |
| ▲ | edoceo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The electric motor is better for torque and speed than ICE. |
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| ▲ | dzhiurgis 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s not forced. You have to click icon. Not the smartest move, but not exactly ominous. Plenty of other bad software decisions in bmw. |
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| ▲ | Barbing 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sounds like it is forced and it’s an entire banner. Imagine the click-through rate on something your car shows you compared to your average ad. |
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| ▲ | rvz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Part of BMW's value is/was the expectation of an upper middle class snob driving it BMWs are no where near for that "class". A Mercedes-Benz is for that and even they also put ads in their own dashboard screens. [0] So on HN-land, time to rule out BMWs, Chevrolets, Mercedes-Benz, Teslas, Volkswagens, Kias. What else? [0] https://www.motor1.com/news/797846/mercedes-screen-plays-ads... |
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| ▲ | ehnto 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Mercs and BMWs occupy the same market space. They are direct competitors. Mercedes may have a car or two that reaches just out of upper middle class but they are largely a middle to upper middle class brand, just like BMW. The fact that Merc would do it too just means they are both happy cheapening their brand to align with practices of cheap off-brand android TVs. | | |
| ▲ | dash2 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Actually Apple will also put advertising on your phone if you have one of the dynamic carousel things and you walk into the wrong area. | | |
| ▲ | microtonal 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They put advertising in: - The Settings: Apple Intelligence and Apple Fitness+ (including the red dot as if you missed something important). - The app store. Typically 1/2 or 2/3 of the search page is covered by ads. - Apple Wallet. They rolled out an F1 advertisement to Apple Wallet in some region. - iWork apps now have advertisements for updating to an Apple Creator Studio subscription. - Apple Maps will soon have ads. Most restraint is gone now to grow the Services category. It just feels gross for flagship devices. It seems that AOSP ROMs like GrapheneOS are the only road to sanity. |
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| ▲ | jchw 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think I'll be buying recent model years any time soon. | | |
| ▲ | femto 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm beginning to think that my '96 Toyota Starlet is "peak ICE". It has EFI, no infotainment, no power windows, no power steering, no automatic transmission. It is basically an engine, gearbox and wheels. An electric Starlet would be Nirvana. Edit: Just read that Toyota is toying with the idea of an electric Starlet. It'll probably have an infotainment system and power "everything" though. https://www.drive.com.au/news/2026-toyota-starlet-rumours/ | | |
| ▲ | fy20 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not a mechanic but I have rebuilt an engine (common rail diesel with electronic injection) with a friend and do some work on my own cars. I don't really get the "everything needs to be mechanical" push. My previous car was mid 2000s, automatic, electronic basically everything. The reason why I scrapped it was because it had too must rust. The engine, transmission, and electronics were still fine after 200k and 20 years of harsh winters. My current car had an electrical issue last year... but it turned out it was a mechanical issue. Something had chewed through the wires to the MAF sensor. Fixed them, and all good. It's no different from something chewing through a fuel line, except OBD was able to tell me what subsystem was not working correctly. The problem I see with current cars is that the infotainment system is tied into everything - and usually the software sucks. If they just went back to seperate dashboard, AC controls and radio I'd have no issues with them. My current car is from 2016, and I specifically looked for something that was like that. It is hybrid and has modern tech (e.g. radar cruise control), but everything is compartmentalised. First upgrade I did was replacing the headunit with a Chinese one that supports Android Auto/CarPlay. No functionality was lost, as the old head unit was literally just a radio and screen for backup camera. | | |
| ▲ | Barbing 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The infotainment thing is regrettable but nowhere near as bad as the cellular modems phoning home, constantly spying, possibly raising your insurance rates… Lucky for Big Brother they’ve blanketed this country (USA) in Flock cameras. New car, old car, they’re ready to pull over journalists in dealer loaners, people in the wrong place at the wrong time… |
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| ▲ | yegle 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Volvo, with their terrible infortainment system's performance, I'm not sure if it's capable of displaying ads. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 an hour ago | parent [-] | | And here you thought they were just incompetent. Turns out, they've been looking out for you this whole time |
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| ▲ | larusso an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just saying that these brands have different offerings in different countries. Here in Germany all big brands: Audi, BMW, Mercedes and VW etc have offerings from low lever to luxury car. | |
| ▲ | kridsdale1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My Lexus 2025 remains perfect and user friendly. I have all the online connected stuff enabled. Zero enshitification. | | |
| ▲ | maxnevermind an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Why 2025 though? It didn't yet pass the test of time and there is not enough failure rate data on it. Toyotas(Lexus) do have serious quality issues too, rarely but that happens for certain models from time to time. | |
| ▲ | mentalfist 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Many NA produced lexus models have seen deteriorating quality issues past 5 or so years. Maybe yours is produced in Japan? | |
| ▲ | ludicrousdispla 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >> Zero enshitification. Lexus should put that on the cover of their product brochure. | |
| ▲ | roundwego 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Lexus is a kino sleeper. |
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| ▲ | chaostheory 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You make it sound like there's no choice. Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura don't do it to my knowledge. Am I wrong? EDIT Add Volvo and Genesis to the list of no ads |
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