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▲ bawolff a day ago

huh.

I was betting on it being russia.

As a grey-zone war tactic, i feel like it doesnt super make a lot of sense for iran. France isn't super involved, so its more likely to draw them in then make them think the costs of supporting USA is unacceptable.

On the other hand, not much of Iran's strategy has made much long term sense and more has felt like desperation from a gov that is out of options and wants to go down swinging, so i suppose this fits with that.

▲rdtsc a day ago | parent | next [-]

Then next level would be to think if this were also a false-flag attack who would have wanted to look like Iran did it.

▲bawolff a day ago | parent [-]

This would be a terrible false flag. I know people like conspiracy theories, but nothing about this suggests false flag.

▲oliwarner 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> nothing about this suggests false flag

Except that one nation has found cause to blame another. If it wasn't Iran, seems like the perfect false flag.

▲rdtsc a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> I know people like conspiracy theories, but nothing about this suggests false flag.

I am not saying it is, just interesting to analyze who it would have been if it was. Does it benefit Iran to attack France? I guess? Maybe just a target of opportunity. US freezers are just too damn locked down(!). Or does it benefit someone else to make it look like Iran did it, kind of a thing...

Well you were betting it was Russia, and I kinda expected that as well. But then, yeah, probably Russia would want to boast that they did it as a threat or show of force not make it look like their semi-allies (Iranians) did it.

▲bawolff a day ago | parent [-]

Mostly i'd just say - false flags are extremely high risk. You don't do something like that just to get france a little bit upset with Iran. If you are going to go for a false flag, you do something extreme as that is the only way for the expected pay off to counterbalance the severe risk.

▲t-3 a day ago | parent [-]

The most important part of a false flag is to have media support pushing the false narrative before any alternative narratives have a chance, and Iran definitely doesn't have that. The uncertainty about who was attacking and these late revelations make it even less likely to be a false flag, IMO. Everybody was expecting this to be the Russians.

▲m000 14 hours ago | parent [-]

> these late revelations make it even less likely to be a false flag

I don't think the timing of the announcements shifts the balance much against the possibility of the attack being a false flag.

The question is: If the real culprits weren't among the convenient "usual suspects", would the French authorities have the guts to name them? My guess is no. Because if you name a specific country as being involved, you also need to take action against it, or you risk appearing weak and meek in the eyes of your own citizens.

So, there may have been political pressure during the investigation and/or its interpretation to steer it towards a convenient outcome:

- "Iranian IP address" you said? It was them after all! I knew it! I knew it!

- But, sir!...

- I knew it!

▲ndiddy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If it really is Iran, the best reasoning I can think of is that it's like a demonstration of their offensive hacking capabilities to the US. It lets them show that they can use computer hacking to disrupt commercial operations and cause economic losses. If you look at it from that way, it makes sense that they went after Europe. Going after the US could cause an escalation in the war, so instead they go after European countries which will not do anything in response. The freezer controllers that were hacked are also made by Danfoss, a European company. I have no knowledge whatsoever of the commercial freezer market, but if being European means that Danfoss has a higher market share in Europe compared to the US, it lets them pull off this demonstration without burning a more valuable exploit.

▲heisenbit a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Russia would benefit if Europe started acting aggressively towards Iran (getting distracted from supporting Ukraine) and they are certainly not beyond false flag operations. Thinking about it their military is using literal false flag operations all the time to dupe their own leadership.

▲bulbar 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Russia has conducted a false flag operation to start a war, killing hundreds of people in the process (only the operation itself, the rest of course killed many more).

▲pmarino90 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Considering the help Iran is getting from Russia I am honestly not that surprised.

▲bawolff a day ago | parent [-]

i mostly meant from a motive perspective.

Russia going, nudge nudge shame about those freezers, maybe if you stopped giving aid to ukraine those freezeers will stop breaking, is a strategy that maybe could work with little downside because what is france going to do? double sanction russia?

But for iran, there is not a lot of room for france to move to be more pro iran that isnt high cost, but lots of low cost ways to be more anti iran, so it seems like a bad strat.

▲bamboozled a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are allies and I guess Russia could've suggested they do it, or at least knew about it and didn't care.

▲m000 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> i feel like it doesnt super make a lot of sense for iran

Indeed. Cui bono?

> not much of Iran's strategy has made much long term sense and more has felt like desperation

According to who? Fox news? If you see the strategic goals of Iran as a country, their strategy so far is close to exemplary. It's just a hard to swallow pill for US pundits to acknowledge their country being totally outplayed while "holding all the cards".

▲maxglute a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> doesnt super make a lot of sense for iran

It makes complete sense.

France headlines Operation Aspides, the Euro navy in Gulf of Aden vs Houthis. They are very involved, directly blunting Iran + Houthi trying to impose cost on west via control / attack on commercial shipping. Hence they get targeted, it's just Iran establishing mutual deterrence, you fuck around in our backyard, we fuck around in your infra and extract economic costs. Meanwhile their infra is basically gone, the amount of damage Iran can inflict vs receive via grayzone at this point is asymmetrical.

▲Roland303 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Iran russia and china and nk are all working for the same efforts as far as destabilizing the west and ideally turning back the clock on the whole citizens have rights thing that western citizens have been so uppity about and influencing the world with since the 1400's, barring that goal, settling on shitting up the place enough to put an end to western lead global order and returning to an age of regional powers with absolute authority in their spheres of influence. I dont think the attack needs to make sense, the statue of liberty stands in new york harbor, we are the same entity to them, they are at war with us.

▲cgio a day ago | parent [-]

Let’s not go down the liberty rhetoric. They could claim on their end they are all about self determination against colonialist practices (and with Russia excepted the others have a historical excuse to claim this.) It is obviously a broad power play, we are all wise to want our part to be on the winning side for rational reasons, but moralising a punch fest is not adding anything more than illusions. After all, our western governments are abundantly adopting the authoritarian aspects of population control from these countries, maybe that’s our next problem maybe it’s our current one.

▲OhMeadhbh a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was guessing North Korea. But then again, I'm in the states and I think we're required to blame everything on North Korea these days.

▲m000 14 hours ago | parent [-]

> I'm in the states and I think we're required to blame everything on North Korea these days.

It's totally comical at this point. People have been conditioned to believe the most ridiculous propaganda pieces about North Korea. Yesterday, while doomscrolling, I came across two different Instagram accounts sharing "news" about the unveiling of a horribly botched Kim Jong Un bust. Obviously AI-generated, obviously inspired by the infamous Cristiano Ronaldo bust [1]. Still, thousands of comments, with people believing that their snarky comments on a fake picture make them look smart, while lamenting the fate of the "sculptor".

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43598431

▲Ajedi32 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

This has been Iran's strategy throughout the entire war. Them attacking France isn't any less rational than attacking, say, Qtar, or blockading non-US ships bound for non-US countries transiting the straight of Hormuz. They can't really fight back against the US directly, so instead they lash out indiscriminately against anyone or anything that's even remotely friendly to the US.

▲JumpCrisscross a day ago | parent | next [-]

> This has been Iran's strategy

Modelling Iran as a monolith seems to lead to errors more than it simplifies analysis. It's absolutely possible that nine parts of their mosaic [1] didn't want to open a new front and one went YOLO.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_defence_strategy

▲t-3 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

France has been the most bellicose in rhetoric among European states, and they've given assistance to the Saudis in their conflict with Yemen. Given that Iran seems to view all these conflicts as different parts of a broader geopolitical and regional struggle, choosing to target France makes some sense. In the context of France's current political troubles it makes less sense to meddle and invite backlash, but perhaps they think that they will have the sympathy of the protesters and large immigrant community in France.

▲spwa4 a day ago | parent [-]

List of countries Iran has attacked: Israel, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Azerbeidjan, Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Greece, Oman, Syria, Azerbaijan, Turkey and of course US forces.

Of course, they targeted civilians in all of the above countries.

And if you include attacks on ships, the list goes all the way from China to Paraguay and has dozens of entries. Essentially all civilian as well, meaning their attacks against actual military ships were a minority of their attacks.

Of those, perhaps Israel and maybe Qatar can be considered defensive actions. And perhaps the attack on Greece was accidental (really aiming for a US ship in the Mediterranean)

If you made a full list of everything Iran has the physical ability to hit and compared to the list they did hit, the only missing countries would be Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan and Armenia.

I must say, it also seems to me unlikely in the extreme the French immigrant community, or anywhere in Europe, would significantly be on Iran's side. First, they're largely economic migrants, suffering due to Iran's actions. Second, they're largely from countries Iran attacked. Third, they're Sunni, not exactly Iran's traditional allies. Fourth: they're not making any money of Iran.

So ... maybe it's just me but I don't think rhetoric is the problem here.

▲phainopepla2 a day ago | parent | next [-]

This comment makes it seem as if all these other countries were just standing around peacefully and Iran decided to attack them for no reason. The majority of those countries host US bases, many of which were used to stage attacks on Iran, and all of which are fair targets in a war started by the US (and Israel). It's also extremely puzzling, to say the least, why you would say that "perhaps" their attacks on Israel could be considered defensive, when Israel is one of the two that started this last war.

▲constantius a day ago | parent [-]

Exactly. France also has very few migrants from the countries 'Iran attacked': they're largely from North African and Francophone African countries. A lot of inconsistencies and half facts in that comment.

▲t-3 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Of course, they targeted civilians in all of the above countries.

I haven't dug into it deeply, but I was under the impression that most of the Iranian targets were US bases and US-owned oil fields/energy infrastructure, with relatively few domestic civilian interests harmed. Am I mistaken?

I doubt the public in any country cares much about Iran's blockade, given that the US has "counter-blockaded" and claimed ownership and control of the stait. Iran was attacked first, then sneak attacked during negotiations, and has maintained a coherent and consistent policy during negotiations. Common people are sympathetic and view them as the underdog.

> Third, they're Sunni, not exactly Iran's traditional allies.

Muslims are far less divided than Western policy-makers imagine IMO, most have solidarity WRT Palestine and broader Middle Eastern geopolitics regardless of sectarian affiliation. Iran has been mostly successful in tying their struggle to the issue of Israel/Palestine, especially with the recently-interested younger people in western countries who have less reflexive reaction against Iran.

▲jst1fthsdys a day ago | parent [-]

The US started to host US military personnel in civilian hotels after Iran targeted US bases and they weren't safe to stay there.

So, in essence, the US used the civilians as human shields.

▲spwa4 13 hours ago | parent [-]

First, in many places (UAE for example, also Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel) they definitely did aim at civilians. For example, they aimed at civilian airport terminals in Israel and Saudi Arabia.

And for the military targets, it's just as accurate to say that Iran just doesn't have the technology to actually reliably aim for military forces and still fired at everything they could find, and this increased by a lot after it became clear almost none of their attacks on military targets actually landed. The result was explosives delivered in people's bedrooms.

From the published results, only 3 rockets/drones, out of tens of thousands, actually hit their targets. And one of those was ... people died so we don't criticize. But let's just say that the commander of those soldiers who died made a very suboptimal decision (hours) before they died.

The hits on civilians are despite those military bases targeted being hundreds of kilometers away from the civilians who died. One issue was that they used the same drones Russia is firing at Ukraine (some were Russian-made, even) and flew as low as possible, without avoiding highrise buildings on the flight path. They even hit civilians in Iran.

And can I just add: THIS you consider the US using human shields, but Iran putting a school of minority children on a military base without so much as a sign isn't using human shields? WTF.

▲jst1fthsdys 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Israel and the KSA have been shipping arms via their so called civilian airports.

> none of their attacks on military targets actually landed.

That they bothered to tell you about. They devastated the US bases so much the US can't operate out of them. You have to be a fool if you think only 3 rockets hit their targets.

I'm not going to bother addressing the other parts. You are just repeating some mixture of incoherent propaganda.

▲bulbar 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Of those, perhaps Israel and maybe Qatar can be considered defensive actions.

The regime started a proxy war against Israel decades ago, financing Hisbollah and eventually also Hamas, both with the official goal of destroying Israel.

Before the regime came into power, Iran had good relations to Israel.

So no, there's nothing 'defensive' when it comes to Iran's actions.

▲spwa4 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Actually, after the regime came into power they also had good relations with Israel. As long as they thought they could win the Iran-Iraq war they kept good relations (Iran-Iraq war: 2 years of Iraq attacking Iran, 7 years of Iran attempting to conquer Iraq). In fact Israel saved many high ranking Iranian officials from Iraqi assassination.

Just shows: dictators will show no loyalty or gratitude. The second they can use you as a cheap excuse to stay in power and abuse that power, you better believe it will happen that very second.

Iran has shown they will abuse everyone every way they can. This is the regime that is SO pure in their religious beliefs they distributed "plastic keys to heaven" to their cheapest demining equipment (primary school children, to the point that one problem was sometimes the kids weren't yet heavy enough that they wouldn't trigger an anti-personnel mine that an adult soldier coming later would still not be safe)

▲petre a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

France is pushing for a two state solution in Israel. So it was dumb to attack it to begin with. I don't know what they are trying to accomplish. Legitimize the recent US and Israeli attacks against Iran? The Iranian leadership probably doesn't want peace in Israel because if that ever happens, they cannot further instrumentalize the Palestinians and Lebanese muslims against Israel.

▲bawolff a day ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think Iran particularly cares about the two state solution or Palestinians in general. They want to be the regional power of the middle east, which means they need to destabilize their rivials (Israel and Saudi Arabia) hence they fund their enemies.

It is no different than what America and the USSR were doing during the cold war just on a smaller scale. Playing cold war games is tricky though because its easy to over extend or let your proxies drag you into a conflicts you don't want. This is what happened to Iran and thus the cold war turned hot.

▲noduerme a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Iran's beef with Israel is not because they care about the Sunni Palestinians or Palestinian land rights or something like that. They certainly don't want peace, they want Israel wiped off the face of the earth as a religious goal in itself, and for being the only non-Islamic country in the Middle East. Any concern expressed by Iran for Palestinians is purely for propaganda purposes: It's easier for Westerners to sympathize with than saying they'd like to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews simply for existing.

▲za3faran 20 hours ago | parent [-]

There are jews in Iran, which israel bombed their places of worship.

▲noduerme 18 hours ago | parent [-]

There are about 9,100 Iranian Jews remaining in Iran, versus 320,000 Iranian Jews in the world more or less[0] who had all their property stolen, were attacked and forced to flee Persia, where they had lived for the past 2,000 years or so. The number under 10k remaining is very specific because it is so small. They are treated as second class citizens. They are not allowed any sort of real religious freedom, have even fewer rights than their oppressed Muslim neighbors (although in fairness, no citizen of Iran under the dictatorship has any civil rights). The other 300,000 Iranian Jews now live in Israel and America, where they were forced to flee to. The Jews remaining in Iran are (mis)treated as curiosities kept in a zoo for propaganda purposes, to prove that the Iranian regime is tolerant and multicultural.

It is not. Ask the Kurds or the Baloch. Unfortunately, neither has a homeland backed by military force. The world would be much better if they did. If you think the Palestinians are the only ones in a bad situation, you're missing most of the field.

The Iranian theocratic regime regularly hosts conferences of "Jews" who come to deny the holocaust and to say that Israel is an illegitimate country. If the remaining Jews in Iran beg to differ, they will be routinely executed.

Israel's bombing of an adjacent building which accidentally damaged one of the remaining synagogues in Iran was likely without thought, but if someone in Tel Aviv actually did think about it they probably signed off on it as a favor to the remaining Iranian Jews, to establish that they weren't helping Israel.

Would you want to be a Jew in Iran? I think it would be about the same as being Sioux in South Dakota in the 1890s.

How ironic to be bombed by the reservation you forced people onto, and to lose air superiority to it, so you can't even prevent those Iranian Jews from flying laps over Tehran. How sweetly ironic that you spent 47 years obsessing over hating the people you forced onto that reservation, wishing to destroy them, instead of improving your own country and your own people with all of that western oil money.

Maybe building an entire dictatorship on a "minute of hate", or having a national holiday devoted to calling for the murder of another ethnic group who you already expelled, is not actually a viable social or economic strategy.

Meanwhile, members of the Iranian dictatorship are free to live in Paris and send their daughters to college anywhere they want. Perhaps a few of them should flee, while the option is available.

The Jews who fled to Israel don't have anywhere else to flee, they are the ones living on the "Indian Reservation". So maybe if the Iranian government is so interested in removing the "colonialists" of Israel, it should offer back in exchange all of the property it stole from the Jews who lived there before 1979.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews

▲za3faran 6 hours ago | parent [-]

A lot of what you wrote is speculative and rooted in media misinformation, not to mention the israelis doing exactly the same (e.g. milekowsky's son lives in florida). Although I am not Iranian, and I am against what their government did in places like Syria and nearby lands, I have seen enough western media manipulation and hasbara to question anything that comes out of such sources.

The current war on them is what israel has been wanting to do for decades, and they got a dumb enough US president to do their dirty work for them. The same president who now realizes how much of a disaster the war was, given how it cost them the mid-terms. israel destroying places of worship and hospitals and schools is nothing new, and is well established.

▲Matl a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Them attacking France isn't any less rational than attacking, say, Qtar, or blockading non-US ships bound for non-US countries transiting the straight of Hormuz

It does make sense if you think about it for longer than 5s - it's about U.S. allies putting pressure on the U.S. to end the war. This whole propaganda about Iran being irrational is so dumb it's embarrassing.

The US is threatening to wipe out Iran's civilization, the EU is very tepid about the whole thing at best. Really sad to see, but not surprising. There's zero consistency or principle involved.

▲Ajedi32 a day ago | parent [-]

Yes, attacking uninvolved third parties seems like a great way to pressure them to end the war, if by "end the war" you mean joining it on the other side and helping finish you off.

Traditionally that has been how countries tend to respond to military attacks on their soil. Iran's only saving grace seems to be that they're too ineffectual to pose any actual, serious threat to countries like France.

▲Matl a day ago | parent | next [-]

I don't personally think it's a great move by them by any means, but I think it's shallow to not try and understand how they may see it, as a bit more complicated than 'attacking uninvolved third parties', especially given these things seems to be happening across the EU[2], so it's likely not specifically about France.

This also seems to have happened at US bases[3].

It's rather likely their attempt to show that they can 'reach' further than conventional means would suggest.

1 - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/28/uk-france-germ...

2 - https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/temperature...

3 - https://www.food-safety.com/articles/11974-refrigerator-malf...

▲optimalsolver a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Iran's strategy is what caused the GOP their worst electoral disaster in living memory.

It's also why the US is highly reluctant to return to high-tempo combat.

▲bawolff a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Iran's strategy is what caused the GOP their worst electoral disaster in living memory.

I think that is only a win if you have an extremely american centric perspective of this conflict.

So they did that. Then what? Do you really think that is going to translate into anything significant on the battle field? It might have some marginal benefits but it probably won't matter in the big picture for Iran.

▲Matl a day ago | parent [-]

So they should sit around and let the US and Israel 'destroy Iranian civilization' I guess? Is that your suggestion?

They're weaker than the countries attacking them. So causing inconvenience so that pressure will be put on the US to end the war by countries the US might listen to.

Is that strategy going to work? Not sure. But does it have a chance of working? Maybe.

▲bawolff a day ago | parent | next [-]

> So they should sit around and let the US and Israel 'destroy Iranian civilization' I guess? Is that your suggestion?

I'm just saying it isn't going to win them the war. The president broadly controls what the us military does. He doesn't need congress or the senate.

You seem to be mixing up "wanting to win" with "actually winning". Of course Iran wants to win this conflict, but that doesn't mean they are actually winning.

> They're weaker than the countries attacking them.

Yes, getting into conflicts from a position of weakness is generally a bad plan. Succesful countries plan for this sort of thing well before the conflict starts which results in the conflict not happening in the first place.

Iran had strategies in place for this, but they ended up backfiring.

>Is that strategy going to work? Not sure. But does it have a chance of working? Maybe.

Imposing costs on your opponent is a tried and true strategy that almost certainly could work. However Iran actually has to impose real costs instead of just propaganda wins. It seems like they were doing this best earlier in the war and now have run out of steam.

▲Matl a day ago | parent [-]

> Imposing costs on your opponent is a tried and true strategy that almost certainly could work. However Iran actually has to impose real costs instead of just propaganda wins.

The price of oil, US midterm results, Gulf countries scrambling, that certainly doesn't look like they haven't imposed real costs.

> Yes, getting into conflicts from a position of weakness is generally a bad plan. Succesful countries plan for this sort of thing well before the conflict starts which results in the conflict not happening in the first place.

If by 'getting into conflicts' you mean 'getting invaded by the US and Israel' then sure. That just seems to be saying 'don't get invaded, sucker' which, while sound advice doesn't actually work out if someone's intent on invading you.

The Iranians are not trying to 'win' as such, but rather impose enough cost on the attackers that continuing the war no longer makes sense for them.

The truth is, you're not seemingly saying much of anything besides 'Iran bad'.

▲bawolff a day ago | parent [-]

> That just seems to be saying 'don't get invaded, sucker' which, while sound advice doesn't actually work out if someone's intent on invading you.

Israel and USA have been intent on invading Iran for decades. But they didn't. Then suddenly they did. That didn't just happen randomly. Iran took a bunch of foreign policy risks that backfired spectacularly making them vulnerable to invasion. If they made different decisions, or if they just got luckier, they wouldn't have been in a vulnerable position and this wouldn't have happened.

In many ways, the art of war starts long before the battles start. The things Iran could have done differently to affect the outcome of this war would probably have to have been done back then. It is a bit too late for them now.

> The Iranians are not trying to 'win' as such, but rather impose enough cost on the attackers that continuing the war no longer makes sense for them.

Yes, that is how all wars where the sides aren't evenly matched work.

But all they have to show for it is slightly higher prices at the pump, and its unclear they will even be able to maintain that going forward. It isn't looking good for them.

> The truth is, you're not seemingly saying much of anything besides 'Iran bad'.

I'm just saying they are losing and don't seem to have good prospects going forward. If by bad, you mean in the sense of their strategic position - then yes, iran's strategic position is very bad.

▲Jtsummers a day ago | parent [-]

> Israel and USA have been intent on invading Iran for decades. But they didn't. Then suddenly they did.

There is a war between the US/Israel and Iran, but there has not been an invasion. Attacks from a distance are not invasions. Contrast with the Russia-Ukraine war, where there actually has been an invasion.

▲noduerme a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>> countries the US might listen to

If that's really the theory behind attacking France, then the Iranian regime is completely unmoored from reality. The last time the US listened to France was never.

▲Matl 13 hours ago | parent [-]

It wasn't specific or limited to France.

▲noduerme 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

It seems to me you're giving them even less credit by saying so. If the IRGC is attacking third party nations without any specificity, that would be even more unhinged than their simply having a misplaced belief that attacks on those countries could have influence on US policy (that would be favorable to them).

▲tptacek a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think attacking France did anything to help that cause. Certainly we know from experience what attacking America would have done for them.

▲hx8 a day ago | parent [-]

I don't think turning off American Supermarket Refrigeration would cause the US to escalate.

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▲tptacek a day ago | parent | prev [-]

You want to talk about things that might spark an actual US land invasion of Iran? Seems up there.

▲hx8 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Why? So far it doesn't seem to be causing much escalation in France, why would it be different for the US?

▲bawolff a day ago | parent [-]

America does tend to take geopolitical slights fairly personally relative to other countries.

Not to mention one of the limiting factors for america in this war is public opinion. I'm sure they would love some way to sell it to the american public.

▲tptacek a day ago | parent [-]

Our responses to state-sponsored attacks on our soil are perhaps best characterized as "unhinged".

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▲MomsAVoxell a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>lash out indiscriminately

Discrimination is a fallacious argument, if this is indeed an Iranian action, since Iran has been the target of a great number of indiscriminate attacks from the NATO bloc, including cyber attacks on its own food systems, also.

>Iran's strategy

I'm curious how you learn of Iran's strategy?

▲bawolff a day ago | parent [-]

"lash out indiscriminately" is a criticism of their strategy. Not an argument over if it is ethical or who deserves what.

Going all, two wrongs make a right, misses the point. We aren't debating who is right but if iran's actions are likely to lead to them winning.

▲MomsAVoxell a day ago | parent [-]

If it were a lash, it would not be necessarily targeting specific infrastructure, no?

Indiscriminately - I suppose you mean "not attacking only military targets" - well I don't mean it from ethical stance, but rather the nature of tit for tat warfare, which is what this is.

>winning

Yeah, lost me there.

▲bawolff 21 hours ago | parent [-]

> I suppose you mean "not attacking only military targets"

I don't. I think it is extremely clear in context that that is not what was meant

I mean, i also do think they are doing that too, and it seems like most experts agree that their use of cluster munitions over populated counts as indiscriminate in the sense of international law, but that is not the sense of indiscriminate that was being used in the comments above.