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dirtbagskier 14 hours ago

I'd take them even if they didn't make me lose weight - and I'm the type of person that doesn't like takeing Tylenol unless absolutely necessary.

The best way I can describe it: my body and mind are no longer is in starvation mode. I plan, do, act and sleep well.

faangguyindia 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>my body and mind are no longer is in starvation mode

What does it mean? If a drug reduces your desire to eat food, wouldn't it also decrease your desire to eat food beneficial for your body?

I think the effect most people want is to stop craving junk food but still eat nutritious food required for muscle growth and health.

kube-system 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It does which is why medically supervised weight loss with GLP1s includes diet recommendations to mitigate this.

But in my experience, decreased cravings make it easier to choose food rationally. The food noise that causes people to overeat usually doesn’t cause them to overeat healthy foods anyway.

lrasinen 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My personal experience is like getting eye glasses for your appetite. Easier to eat reasonably sized portions and they're nutritionally well-balanced.

Also the late night cravings are more specific: instead of vague "need to eat something", it's "I'd love a tomato" or "mmm yogurt" or "actually a load of carbs would hit the spot".

ceejayoz 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What if you could intentionally eat good food?

I've heard it widely described as reducing mental noise around food.

mycall 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People can get fat by eating too much healthy food.

babuskov 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's the problem with the definition of "healthy". No single food is "healthy" on it's own. It's a wrong way to look at it and why most people fail at finding a good diet. There's no super food you can just eat unlimited amounts of.

A diet can be healthy if it's the nutrient combination of different foods that result in certain number of calories, protein, fat, carbs, minerals and vitamins per unit of time.

Bombthecat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wasn't there just a study, that many fat kids are fat because of fruit juices?

Healthy in a way, but surprisingly a lot of sugar ( either added or from the fruits)

econ an hour ago | parent [-]

There was a study comparing big and small eaters with and without obesitas. Turns out that skinny people who eat a lot eat also eat a lot of fat and protein and that fat people who eat almost nothing eat mostly carbs and sugar.

fouc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think there's a bit of a caveat there, because that basically means eating reasonably high calorie food in sufficient quantities that starts violating the "healthy food" definition.

ThrowawayTestr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You'd have to eat a lot of broccoli

faangguyindia 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

true but you'll struggle getting tons of calories out of whole foods. This is why mass gainers are popular, underweight people find it hard to gain weight so they dirty bulking using fast food which is often calorie dense.

Eating healthy food alone isn't solution, you need to make your life active as well.

chiply314 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Some don't get at all what calories are.

In some video a woman was eating 8-10 Oranges a day just as a snack on the side.

No knowledge about sugar or calroies, just the thought "but its a fruit its health". No fruits are not healthy

Illotus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

8 to 10 oranges per day being healthy or not is largely dependent what else you eat. Biggest issue there is likely teeth decay due to acidity.

chiply314 3 hours ago | parent [-]

No its not. 8-10 Oranges is too much sugar. Too much sugar hurts your insulin reaction and can bring diabetes.

Illotus 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not really, healthy person can easily handle that amount of sugar. Has plenty of fiber to balance.

chiply314 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I rechecked it and you are right.

Its an issue if you drink orange juice not when you eat it. Eating takes longer and is getting balanced from the fiber.

7bit 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Your first sent once and your last sentence don't align.

Yes. Fruits are healthy. One orange is healthy. 10 oranges are unhealthy. Same concept applies to water. Drinking too much can be unhealthy as well, but that doesn't change the fact that water is good.

theturtletalks 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The glycemic index also comes into play. It essentially measures how much certain foods keeps you full regardless of calories. So healthy food, even if you’re consuming the same calories as junk food, is going to keep you full longer.

s1artibartfast 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This has never been my problem. I can easily eat 5k calories of whole foods

faangguyindia 6 hours ago | parent [-]

What do you eat in those 5000kcal calories? Genuinely curious.

amanaplanacanal 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think I could do it, but 3.5 cups of peanut butter would get you there. Or four 16 ounce ribeyes.

testbjjl 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Intentionally eating good food is a lot more about where your head is at than what you’re eating, like any other devices. You can better understand the mentality of a person by their diet that they evolved through personal experience.

raffael_de an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

considering what we have been learning about the importance of a working gut brain axis I'd be highly worried about Ozempic harming this connection.

fragmede 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

whatever we learned about gut brain axis dysfunctionality? I thought most of the biggest findings were in that it exists in the first place.

seanmcdirmid 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You lose your appetite but can still shove things in your pie hole. You just have to make an effort to shove vegetables and protein in, rather than making an effort resist eating junk food.

planckscnst 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don't desire to brush your teeth (at least not in the way that you desire to consume calorie-dense foods). But you manage to still do it anyway. (maybe not you specifically, but people in general) You can make the same choice about nutrition. The lowered desire makes it easier/possible to do this

solumunus 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Specifically for me it makes junk food unpleasant. My diet is now impeccable. I hardly ever have a takeaway and if I do it needs to be something that is not greasy and is good clean food.

I also find drinking alcohol much less pleasant. I still drink sometimes but after a few beers or glasses of wine it starts to become very unappealing and I stop.

I do bodybuilding and I’m still getting my 150g of protein in.

I’m barely overweight and I’m losing weight very slowly but I’ve decided I’m likely to stay on GLP’s long term, if not forever, just because the lifestyle changes have been so incredibly good.

Perhaps this helps dispel the myth that GLP drugs inherently = relentless starvation.

faangguyindia 4 hours ago | parent [-]

All of what you've mentioned happens for me without any GLPs

theshrike79 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

People are different. Weird, right?

I have a friend who was literally ordered, by a doctor, to eat as much fat as they could because they were too skinny. They're the type of person for whom food is 100% fuel and they can just stop mid-burger and not eat the second half because "they don't feel like it".

I'm not like that. Leaving half a burger that I paid for on the plate is something I've never done or even considered a possibility that any sane person would do.

chiply314 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

WOW good for you! Man if everyone would just be like you. That would mean no one would need something like GLPs eh?

sublinear 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you want the real answer, people suck at shopping for groceries and don't know how or want to cook.

Long before LLMs, there was a different but similarly misguided hype around making food more convenient. Making money off ignorance is not "innovation", but we live in a world convinced by arrogant and pretentious fearmongering liars.

As always, just do it yourself. It's not that hard after all.

rnewme 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do you know what food noise is?

grey-area 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The latest fad promoted by companies to sell you something?

rnewme 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Eating disorders are mental health condition. Just because there are a lot of visible "false" cases, it doesn't mean that someone else is not living it for real. Your comment is insensitive

grey-area an hour ago | parent [-]

> Eating disorders are mental health condition.

Agreed, and often the root cause is something else in a person’s life (stress, feelings of losing control etc ).

Adding new labels related to food doesn’t do anything to fix the underlying conditions and if anything distracts from them and points the blame at food and physiology, which is not often the root cause of over or under eating.

faangguyindia 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does food noise exist in active tribal people (if so why they have less proportion of obese people?) or is it something which happens to sedentary people?

kube-system 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I suspect it does, but their ability to act upon it is significantly different. Perhaps if they had hot pockets and Taco Bell, they would have similar problems.

Addiction-like behaviors related to food transcend not only human culture but also even other species.

solumunus 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does drug addiction? Because food noise should be viewed through that lens, and I’m no expert but I suspect our modern non tribal life and culture is the root of our abundant addiction issues.

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sublinear 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes. I'm saying that it goes away when you fix your diet.

Do you know what nutrients are? Deficiencies are the cause of the noise. This is an evolutionary feature, not a bug. Your body is expecting you to keep eating alternatives until you eventually stumble onto the foods that make you feel better and then keep eating those. In severe cases you might need more patience with the right foods, but if you already feel like crap and you know you just started barely eating healthier, why stop now?

This search process has been somewhat disrupted by our modern environment, but it's not like the good food isn't right there. On the other hand, you don't need trial and error anymore. There's plenty of information available. You can even go see a doctor and get a blood test to confirm both your deficiencies and everything else I just said.

Does that answer your question?

EDIT: to reply to replies below and I am "posting too fast"...

TLDR: Y'all need to see a doctor.

I used to weigh 400 lbs, had a bad enough drinking problem to cause numbness in my legs (B12 deficiency to boot), and a sky high A1C. I recovered 100% after a decade of this self abuse. Doctor didn't bat an eye back then nor when I recovered a couple of years later. They see it all the time and my "success" story is very common. Most of us understandably find this all too embarrassing to shout about online. We'd get drowned out by influencers trying to sell you crap anyway.

Also, sorry not trying to be callous, but long term deficiencies can cause permanent damage. If you're still experiencing "food noise" after a serious attempt at a planned diet (and magically never had any other symptoms warning you of the impending damage) I have some doubts, but that's a whole different topic.

theshrike79 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I eat a perfect diet of moslty vegetables, chicken and fish, I cook my own food and know what's in it.

I just eat too much of it, because food tastes good and it's a source of dopamine for me. Like most people with food noise.

Also when I get up and finish eating, within 30 minutes my brain is thinking what's going to be the next meal I eat. Food noise.

Yes, some people can lose massive amounts of weight by "just eting right", my brother in law lost 20kg by just not drinking beer anymore. I haven't had a beer in 3 years and didn't lose a single kg. Food noise.

rnewme 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My wife saw many doctors. For her the food noise is related to PCOS and insuline resistance. Ozempic helped until it didn't. You are being callous even with your disclaimer.

crooked-v 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> it goes away when you fix your diet.

Anecdotally: no, it doesn't. Maybe it did for you. I spent most of a year once on a predesigned meal plan, and the only thing it changed about the low-key but constant food noise was better knowing when I had a safe margin to indulge a little bit.

tsimionescu 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It answers the question, but you are simply wrong, as anyone who has tried to lose significant weight knows from personal experience, and as countless studies have confirmed again and again.

faangguyindia 6 hours ago | parent [-]

how many of those studies are designed to fail?

tsimionescu 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Badly designed? A lot of them, possibly. Designed to fail, intentionally? Few if any.

crooked-v 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If it "wasn't that hard", obesity rates would be much lower.

dmayle 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had the same experience, but not with GLP-1 drugs, but by upping my protein intake to about 0.7g per pound of body weight.

Night and day, stopped always being hungry... I've tried Noom before (eating highly filling, low calorie foods, but filling, not satiating), but that only worked while I was tracking (and always forcing myself to keep it up)...

Losing weight required work on top of that, but the protein just made my hunger response start working properly again.

magicalhippo 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I recall reading a metastudy of EU studies about 10 years ago, where they focused on three different diet classes: calorie counting, low carb, high protein.

Calorie counting diets had no restrictions on what they ate, as long as the participants didn't exceed the calorie target.

Low carb (Atkins) had no calorie restriction but had to restrict carbs.

High protein also didn't have calorie restriction but participants had to ensure at least 20% of the calories in meals were proteins.

They found that while all helped people lose weight, only the high-protein made it stick reliably.

I used that as basis for my own weight loss and it worked very well for me. As you said it made me full in a different way. YMMV.

teliosix 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have lost 30lbs this year and even the difference between .5 and .7 is noticeable to me.

There is also the variable that you can work out too much. I did a brutal 30 minute glycolytic conditioning session on Friday and it just doesn't matter how much protein I consume the next day. Something with ghrelin goes off the chart and the next day takes huge will power to not just eat everything.

I think it is even worse with max effort weight lifting.

sublinear 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I had a similar experience bringing down my A1C.

People talk a lot about meat, but not enough about dairy. My prayers were answered at the altars of feta, greek yogurt, half and half, butter, cottage cheese, etc. They made salads not suck. They opened up a ton of lower carb dessert options. My gut health improved. All of my health improved.

I no longer treat these humble foods as optional extras. They perfectly fill the gap in my daily protein needs. They were never unwelcome, just forgotten.

nullc 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

How'd your LDL?

barake 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Semaglutide does an incredible job of keeping my autoimmune issues in check. The only side effect I've had is needing to drink more water or else I feel like I've got the flu. Minimal tradeoff IMO

faangguyindia 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I remember reading the Hazada paradox, where they found these Hadza tribe members who live an active life, walking miles, hunting, and doing all physical labour, have the same maintenance calories as a Western person.

So where does the energy burn in a sedentary population come from vs highly active Hadza tribe members?

Pontzer’s research showed that while the Hadza were highly active, they actually demonstrated lower baselines of certain markers of metabolic and physiological stress over time compared to Western populations.

Don't quote me on this; I am paraphrasing things I remember from.

Terr_ 9 hours ago | parent [-]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3405064/

> Nonetheless, average daily energy expenditure of traditional Hadza foragers was no different than that of Westerners after controlling for body size. The metabolic cost of walking (kcal kg−1 m−1) and resting (kcal kg−1 s−1) were also similar among Hadza and Western groups. The similarity in metabolic rates across a broad range of cultures challenges current models of obesity suggesting that Western lifestyles lead to decreased energy expenditure.

> So where does the energy burn in a sedentary population come from vs highly active Hadza tribe members?

P.S.: One theory I've seen is that the extra sedentary-spend is in the immune-system, which may have both beneficial and harmful effects, depending on whether it's doing useful work versus causing problems.

spbaar 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thirst affects me in a different way too. My throat doesn't feel dry and uncomfortable because before it reaches that point I almost get naseous.

npunt 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

oh say more?

cjbgkagh 13 hours ago | parent [-]

This is why I took it, auto immune related ME/CFS. Works great. I still get PEM but outside of that I get to live a normal life.

emmelaich 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Interesting! Is it possible that you're just eating less of whatever triggers the autoimmune symptoms?

cjbgkagh 10 hours ago | parent [-]

No, if that’s all it was then ME/CFS would be a cake walk and it isn’t. I have such a crazy restrictive diet and have had for a long time that one of my issues was being kicked out of doctor's offices for looking too healthy. The diet is necessary but not sufficient.

s5300 7 hours ago | parent [-]

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catigula 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This sounds concerning to me.

diggerboy 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you have to reach a certain dose for such effects?

chadd 13 hours ago | parent [-]

the minimum dose of monjaro (2.5mg injection once/week) can often be enough

taurath 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As a counter example, I found myself unable to eat anything at all even with anti nausea meds, and my head utterly in a fog that felt like I was becoming ill.