| ▲ | faangguyindia 11 hours ago |
| >my body and mind are no longer is in starvation mode What does it mean? If a drug reduces your desire to eat food, wouldn't it also decrease your desire to eat food beneficial for your body? I think the effect most people want is to stop craving junk food but still eat nutritious food required for muscle growth and health. |
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| ▲ | kube-system 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It does which is why medically supervised weight loss with GLP1s includes diet recommendations to mitigate this. But in my experience, decreased cravings make it easier to choose food rationally. The food noise that causes people to overeat usually doesn’t cause them to overeat healthy foods anyway. |
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| ▲ | lrasinen 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My personal experience is like getting eye glasses for your appetite. Easier to eat reasonably sized portions and they're nutritionally well-balanced. Also the late night cravings are more specific: instead of vague "need to eat something", it's "I'd love a tomato" or "mmm yogurt" or "actually a load of carbs would hit the spot". |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What if you could intentionally eat good food? I've heard it widely described as reducing mental noise around food. |
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| ▲ | mycall 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | People can get fat by eating too much healthy food. | | |
| ▲ | babuskov 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's the problem with the definition of "healthy". No single food is "healthy" on it's own. It's a wrong way to look at it and why most people fail at finding a good diet. There's no super food you can just eat unlimited amounts of. A diet can be healthy if it's the nutrient combination of different foods that result in certain number of calories, protein, fat, carbs, minerals and vitamins per unit of time. | |
| ▲ | Bombthecat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Wasn't there just a study, that many fat kids are fat because of fruit juices? Healthy in a way, but surprisingly a lot of sugar ( either added or from the fruits) | | |
| ▲ | econ an hour ago | parent [-] | | There was a study comparing big and small eaters with and without obesitas. Turns out that skinny people who eat a lot eat also eat a lot of fat and protein and that fat people who eat almost nothing eat mostly carbs and sugar. |
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| ▲ | fouc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think there's a bit of a caveat there, because that basically means eating reasonably high calorie food in sufficient quantities that starts violating the "healthy food" definition. | |
| ▲ | ThrowawayTestr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You'd have to eat a lot of broccoli | |
| ▲ | faangguyindia 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | true but you'll struggle getting tons of calories out of whole foods.
This is why mass gainers are popular, underweight people find it hard to gain weight so they dirty bulking using fast food which is often calorie dense. Eating healthy food alone isn't solution, you need to make your life active as well. | | |
| ▲ | chiply314 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Some don't get at all what calories are. In some video a woman was eating 8-10 Oranges a day just as a snack on the side. No knowledge about sugar or calroies, just the thought "but its a fruit its health". No fruits are not healthy | | |
| ▲ | Illotus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 8 to 10 oranges per day being healthy or not is largely dependent what else you eat. Biggest issue there is likely teeth decay due to acidity. | | |
| ▲ | chiply314 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | No its not. 8-10 Oranges is too much sugar. Too much sugar hurts your insulin reaction and can bring diabetes. | | |
| ▲ | Illotus 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not really, healthy person can easily handle that amount of sugar. Has plenty of fiber to balance. | | |
| ▲ | chiply314 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I rechecked it and you are right. Its an issue if you drink orange juice not when you eat it. Eating takes longer and is getting balanced from the fiber. |
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| ▲ | 7bit 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your first sent once and your last sentence don't align. Yes. Fruits are healthy. One orange is healthy. 10 oranges are unhealthy. Same concept applies to water. Drinking too much can be unhealthy as well, but that doesn't change the fact that water is good. |
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| ▲ | theturtletalks 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The glycemic index also comes into play. It essentially measures how much certain foods keeps you full regardless of calories. So healthy food, even if you’re consuming the same calories as junk food, is going to keep you full longer. | |
| ▲ | s1artibartfast 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This has never been my problem. I can easily eat 5k calories of whole foods | | |
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| ▲ | testbjjl 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Intentionally eating good food is a lot more about where your head is at than what you’re eating, like any other devices. You can better understand the mentality of a person by their diet that they evolved through personal experience. |
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| ▲ | raffael_de an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| considering what we have been learning about the importance of a working gut brain axis I'd be highly worried about Ozempic harming this connection. |
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| ▲ | fragmede 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | whatever we learned about gut brain axis dysfunctionality? I thought most of the biggest findings were in that it exists in the first place. |
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| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You lose your appetite but can still shove things in your pie hole. You just have to make an effort to shove vegetables and protein in, rather than making an effort resist eating junk food. |
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| ▲ | planckscnst 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You don't desire to brush your teeth (at least not in the way that you desire to consume calorie-dense foods). But you manage to still do it anyway. (maybe not you specifically, but people in general) You can make the same choice about nutrition. The lowered desire makes it easier/possible to do this |
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| ▲ | solumunus 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Specifically for me it makes junk food unpleasant. My diet is now impeccable. I hardly ever have a takeaway and if I do it needs to be something that is not greasy and is good clean food. I also find drinking alcohol much less pleasant. I still drink sometimes but after a few beers or glasses of wine it starts to become very unappealing and I stop. I do bodybuilding and I’m still getting my 150g of protein in. I’m barely overweight and I’m losing weight very slowly but I’ve decided I’m likely to stay on GLP’s long term, if not forever, just because the lifestyle changes have been so incredibly good. Perhaps this helps dispel the myth that GLP drugs inherently = relentless starvation. |
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| ▲ | faangguyindia 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | All of what you've mentioned happens for me without any GLPs | | |
| ▲ | theshrike79 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | People are different. Weird, right? I have a friend who was literally ordered, by a doctor, to eat as much fat as they could because they were too skinny. They're the type of person for whom food is 100% fuel and they can just stop mid-burger and not eat the second half because "they don't feel like it". I'm not like that. Leaving half a burger that I paid for on the plate is something I've never done or even considered a possibility that any sane person would do. | |
| ▲ | chiply314 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | WOW good for you! Man if everyone would just be like you. That would mean no one would need something like GLPs eh? |
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| ▲ | sublinear 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| If you want the real answer, people suck at shopping for groceries and don't know how or want to cook. Long before LLMs, there was a different but similarly misguided hype around making food more convenient. Making money off ignorance is not "innovation", but we live in a world convinced by arrogant and pretentious fearmongering liars. As always, just do it yourself. It's not that hard after all. |
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| ▲ | rnewme 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Do you know what food noise is? | | |
| ▲ | grey-area 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The latest fad promoted by companies to sell you something? | | |
| ▲ | rnewme 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Eating disorders are mental health condition. Just because there are a lot of visible "false" cases, it doesn't mean that someone else is not living it for real. Your comment is insensitive | | |
| ▲ | grey-area an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Eating disorders are mental health condition. Agreed, and often the root cause is something else in a person’s life (stress, feelings of losing control etc ). Adding new labels related to food doesn’t do anything to fix the underlying conditions and if anything distracts from them and points the blame at food and physiology, which is not often the root cause of over or under eating. |
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| ▲ | faangguyindia 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does food noise exist in active tribal people (if so why they have less proportion of obese people?) or is it something which happens to sedentary people? | | |
| ▲ | kube-system 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I suspect it does, but their ability to act upon it is significantly different. Perhaps if they had hot pockets and Taco Bell, they would have similar problems. Addiction-like behaviors related to food transcend not only human culture but also even other species. | |
| ▲ | solumunus 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does drug addiction? Because food noise should be viewed through that lens, and I’m no expert but I suspect our modern non tribal life and culture is the root of our abundant addiction issues. | |
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| ▲ | sublinear 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes. I'm saying that it goes away when you fix your diet. Do you know what nutrients are? Deficiencies are the cause of the noise. This is an evolutionary feature, not a bug. Your body is expecting you to keep eating alternatives until you eventually stumble onto the foods that make you feel better and then keep eating those. In severe cases you might need more patience with the right foods, but if you already feel like crap and you know you just started barely eating healthier, why stop now? This search process has been somewhat disrupted by our modern environment, but it's not like the good food isn't right there. On the other hand, you don't need trial and error anymore. There's plenty of information available. You can even go see a doctor and get a blood test to confirm both your deficiencies and everything else I just said. Does that answer your question? EDIT: to reply to replies below and I am "posting too fast"... TLDR: Y'all need to see a doctor. I used to weigh 400 lbs, had a bad enough drinking problem to cause numbness in my legs (B12 deficiency to boot), and a sky high A1C. I recovered 100% after a decade of this self abuse. Doctor didn't bat an eye back then nor when I recovered a couple of years later. They see it all the time and my "success" story is very common. Most of us understandably find this all too embarrassing to shout about online. We'd get drowned out by influencers trying to sell you crap anyway. Also, sorry not trying to be callous, but long term deficiencies can cause permanent damage. If you're still experiencing "food noise" after a serious attempt at a planned diet (and magically never had any other symptoms warning you of the impending damage) I have some doubts, but that's a whole different topic. | | |
| ▲ | theshrike79 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I eat a perfect diet of moslty vegetables, chicken and fish, I cook my own food and know what's in it. I just eat too much of it, because food tastes good and it's a source of dopamine for me. Like most people with food noise. Also when I get up and finish eating, within 30 minutes my brain is thinking what's going to be the next meal I eat. Food noise. Yes, some people can lose massive amounts of weight by "just eting right", my brother in law lost 20kg by just not drinking beer anymore. I haven't had a beer in 3 years and didn't lose a single kg. Food noise. | |
| ▲ | rnewme 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My wife saw many doctors. For her the food noise is related to PCOS and insuline resistance. Ozempic helped until it didn't. You are being callous even with your disclaimer. | |
| ▲ | crooked-v 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > it goes away when you fix your diet. Anecdotally: no, it doesn't. Maybe it did for you. I spent most of a year once on a predesigned meal plan, and the only thing it changed about the low-key but constant food noise was better knowing when I had a safe margin to indulge a little bit. | |
| ▲ | tsimionescu 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It answers the question, but you are simply wrong, as anyone who has tried to lose significant weight knows from personal experience, and as countless studies have confirmed again and again. | | |
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| ▲ | crooked-v 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If it "wasn't that hard", obesity rates would be much lower. |
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