| ▲ | Valve raises Steam Deck prices by more than $200(theverge.com) |
| 148 points by droidjj 2 hours ago | 110 comments |
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| ▲ | 48terry an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yes, consumer electronics are constantly increasing in price alongside huge inflation and everybody getting laid off, but have you considered the value in having a personal assistant AI agent that can lie about the time for your appointment and autonomously delete your entire calendar? Some compromises have to be made in the AI-driven future. |
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| ▲ | utopiah 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Some compromises have to be made in the AI-driven future. Shareholders looking at employees "You are sacrifices we are willing to make." | |
| ▲ | mrhottakes 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hello, I would like to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in your company | | | |
| ▲ | rootsudo 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have not, please tell me more. | |
| ▲ | cogman10 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well hey, at least these systems also consume massive amounts of electricity either raising your electric bill or your gas bill depending on how they decide to power the data center. Nothing like a 30% increase in your power bill because your local county commissioners got a sweet $300k campaign donation from a foreign billionaire. And of course if they burn natural gas for their power you get polluted air from your neighbors. | | |
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| ▲ | trostaft a few seconds ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm desperately clutching onto my original steam deck. Some of the buttons are beginning to go, but it looks like we'll be holding onto it for another 1-2 years at this rate. Waiting, in anticipation and horror, for the price of the frame. |
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| ▲ | jdprgm 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I just checked amazon and I paid $350 in Nov 24' for 96GB (2x48GB) 6800MT DDR5 which at the time felt quite expensive and a bit of a splurge but I figured I had my DDR4 kit for almost a decade so probably similar lifespan for DDR5. That same listing is currently $1300!!! When RAM prices are increasing like a crypto currency we have a real societal problem. |
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| ▲ | Ardren 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Wow, I bought a 128GB Strix Halo machine for $2000 USD in September. Same model is currently on special for $4,399. Insane. |
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| ▲ | PacificSpecific an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Never thought I'd be living in a world where my tech hardware purchases INCREASE in value over the years. |
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| ▲ | ryanmcbride a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm used to this happening with retro collecting but not with things being actively produced | |
| ▲ | protoster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This feels like a sign of something very bad happening soon | | | |
| ▲ | e40 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Now imagine TSMC being controlled by China. While I think it's fairly low probability, the imagination does create some pretty dystopian scenarios. | | |
| ▲ | utopiah 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | How would that work? They can't take the fabs (single door opened and dust makes it all useless) and even if they could they can't run ASML machines with their support. So... labor camp fabs on unmaintained STOA hardware from a single company everybody relies on? I can't imagine that scenario. Either they manage to redeploy the whole value chain (not saying it's impossible but doesn't seem to be the case at scale for now) or taking Taiwan by force is mostly a political show, not a technological one. | | |
| ▲ | ummonk 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Wouldn't the rest of the world encourage ASML to keep supporting the fab because they want the chips to keep coming? | |
| ▲ | pepperoni_pizza 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | China is working hard on getting their own fabs. Then the have no need to keep TSMC operational. | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | If TSMC were to simply disappear, it would be a great day for Samsung/Intel but a godawful catastrophe for most HPC applications and consumer hardware. People aren't afraid of a fab takeover, they're afraid of TSMC disappearing altogether. |
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| ▲ | nemomarx 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | China would probably want to increase production and export more? What are you worried about specifically they don't price gouge on other stuff from shenzhen really do | |
| ▲ | consp 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In that case my retro hardware collection will be worth even more. (Note: that my current hardware will likely be retro faster than I assume it would have been) I also found out recently my matched, working 3d hardware from the '90s was worth more than my actual year-old medium-high end video card, so who knows! /s for obvious reasons, except the rise in prices of 3dfx cards ffs (wtaf). | |
| ▲ | joecot 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | China, who keeps undercutting ai prices and producing things efficiently? I don't have to imagine what it would be like under communism in order to see what it's already like under capitalism. | |
| ▲ | sdenton4 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Dystopian scenarios... Like even more expensive steam decks. |
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| ▲ | stuxnet79 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don't forget that this is all intentional and by design. If the tech oligarchs have their way we will all have no choice but to rent compute by the token within the next 3-5 years. The era of the personal computer is over. Current supply chains & production capacity can't accomodate both the AI hyperscalers and regular consumers. | | |
| ▲ | malfist an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Thats one hell of a leap you got there. Things have gotten more expensive before. It won't be the last | | |
| ▲ | xerox13ster 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Have things gotten this much more expensive at the same time that massive datacenters are harmonically distorting power delivery [0] to the point that it degrades the lifetime of your existing devices? The AI datacenters are making things more expensive and at the same time destroying existing electronics. All this is happening at the same time that the major OS vendors are locking down their operating systems and creating device attestation frameworks. Whether it is a coordinated effort behind the scenes is irrelevant, the real outcome of all of this is that the average home tech prosumer will not be able to afford to maintain personal hardware that remains compatible with mainstream services. In light of the consumer market RAM shortages, all the consumer devices will transition to thin client architectures that offload all their real compute to the centralized cloud. You will not be allowed to modify these devices, and there will be nothing you can modify them to do. They will have no ports, using wireless charging and wireless connectivity, and likely even any UART will be left off the board, if you can get them open at all. Like the Apple Watch or Airpods, they will not be built to be openable, and opening them will be an irreversibly destructive act. You will not be able to buy these devices, they will only be available on a subscription basis. You will own nothing and be told you should be happy. Online major digital services will only be compatible with these devices, offering no endpoints for third party devices to connect. [0]: https://archive.ph/f707o | |
| ▲ | jauntywundrkind an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | 8x more expensive? I doubt things have ever gotten anywhere remotely near this crazy this bought out this not for sale this fast. | | |
| ▲ | malfist 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Memory used to be worth more than gold by weight, and still every stick was sold. GPUs, flight controllers, etc went sky high during the pandemic and we still buy them today. Hard drives got way more expensive during flooding, and we still have local storage. | |
| ▲ | t-writescode 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tulips? | | | |
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| ▲ | dankben an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're acting like companies like Apple would simply let "the tech oligarchs" make 20% of their revenue disappear | | |
| ▲ | xerox13ster 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You're acting like Apple wouldn't simply make hay in a world of thin client device subscriptions, where they can charge a subscription for the thin client device and the services that make it usable. | |
| ▲ | sheepdestroyer 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't want an apple blob
I want to pick specific components and run linux | |
| ▲ | tavavex an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Trillion dollar companies like Apple will still be able to get their hands on whatever they need, albeit at worse prices. Individual consumers trying to buy those components directly probably won't. | |
| ▲ | kys11 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | amazingamazing an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| See what happens when China is not around to save you with manufacturing? Pray China figures out semiconductor manufacturing at scale. Of course, that will spell the end for <redacted>. |
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| ▲ | wnevets 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The 1TB OLED model got a $300 price increase, and now costs $949. How is it possible for the steam machine to be under $1,000? |
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| ▲ | pesus an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I really can't see the Steam Machine being a success at this point, if it ever even releases. It seems like they were really banking on hardware steadily getting cheaper like it pretty much always has in the past. A $1000+ Steam Machine makes the PS5 look like a good deal even after the price increases. | |
| ▲ | crims0n an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That was my first thought, there is no way they are going to hit that console price point anytime soon... so they can either release now at a price that reflects the reality of the market, or hold on even longer hoping for a near-term miracle. If they wait too long, they risk not being a good value due to aged hardware. | | |
| ▲ | bsimpson an hour ago | parent [-] | | The performance envelope was already uninspiring. They said it does better than some big percentage of the people on Steam, but it's not an obvious upgrade over my 2023 Legion Go handheld in anything but a bit more RAM (and it's only 8GB discrete VRAM, which may be paltry for 4K). | | |
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| ▲ | dtdynasty an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The console price point will go up too and set different expectations. | |
| ▲ | yokoprime an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Its not unless its subsidised which valve may chose to do given that the enthusiast PC marked is crashing, which in time will eat some of their growth. | | |
| ▲ | wnevets 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Its not unless its subsidised I don't see Valve doing it. Unlike an actual console they can't lock down the hardware. People would start buying Steam Machines then replace the OS or even resell the parts. |
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| ▲ | BadBadJellyBean an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd be interested in a bare bones version. That way I could shop for RAM and an SSD myself. | | |
| ▲ | doubled112 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sometimes it is heavily marked up, but I'll never be able to get it cheaper than Valve in bulk. | | |
| ▲ | SXX a minute ago | parent [-] | | To be honest you dont really need high speed or high quality SSD on Steam Deck. Almost 100% of games work just fine from good MicroSD card. Its obviously less reliable, but with read only OS with only occasional writes it will work just fine for decade. |
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| ▲ | pocksuppet an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It won't, but that's an arbitrary number, and due to the sudden spike of inflation, $2000 is the new $1000. Yes your wage just got cut in half and you didn't notice. | |
| ▲ | lawn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, in this climate that won't be happening. | |
| ▲ | Andrex an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | ...no OLED screen? I'm grasping at very few straws here... | | |
| ▲ | tmtvl an hour ago | parent [-] | | It very specifically says: > The 1TB OLED model That said, I thought HN was annoyed at Valve for taking a 30% cut, so that's probably how they can keep the Deck under 1k. |
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| ▲ | everdrive an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The only silver lining here is potentially that companies will try to optimize a bit more. I just bought that Marvel Cosmic Invasion game and it's pretty fun. You can can turn the TDP and GPU clock all the way down on an LCD Steam Deck and still hold 60 FPS. I get that it's effectively an indie game, but it's nice to see something with -- dare I say -- appropriate system requirements. |
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| ▲ | robviren 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Like high gas prices leading to sudden releases of fuel efficient vehicles in the 70s during the embargo. I love that most indie games I can find will run on a toaster. |
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| ▲ | dlcarrier 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I bought an OLED version when it was released, but still haven't gotten around to selling my original LCD version. Never has laziness been so profitable. I'll probably at least break even on the LCD model, if not pay for the price of the OLED model itself. |
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| ▲ | WithinReason 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Adjust your expectations for the price of the GabeCube |
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| ▲ | dzonga 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| feel the agent. embrace the agent. you don't need the pleasure of playing beautiful fun video games. now you can command an agent - day & night. & the agent then gaslights you. that's the 'agentic' story being sold. |
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| ▲ | bwoah an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://archive.is/In4qW |
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| ▲ | sergiotapia 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I can't wait for China to start shipping hardware. I will vote with my wallet and have a chinese GPU, RAM and device. Hell, I would be using a Xiaomi phone right this second if this government didn't block it. |
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| ▲ | LelouBil 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Oh no, I was hoping to get the Frame under 1000€ |
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| ▲ | ChrisArchitect an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Source: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steam_hardware/announcemen... |
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| ▲ | pipeline_peak 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We’re gonna be streaming games as the norm soon anyway so I could care less. |
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| ▲ | npodbielski 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Good thing I bought two already. |
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| ▲ | branon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I bought two LCD models before the OLED came out and have constantly bounced between buyer's remorse (I only use one of them) and feeling okay about this decision. Currently, I'm feeling like it was a pretty wise move. | | |
| ▲ | SXX an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | There is a good reason not to buy OLED deck. Once you play on OLED screen you will certainly want your laptop and or deaktop screen to also be OLED. That's it. Never had such issue with a phone, but after Deck started feeling I missing that screen quality elsewhere. | |
| ▲ | user_7832 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | One pro of the LCDs is that I'm moderately sure they don't flicker (PWM) as (bad) as the OLED ones would. Source: 99% of oleds cause terrible eye strain. Flicker affects people even when they don't realise it (studied for office workers during the CFL era iirc.) | | |
| ▲ | zeeveener an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | That must be a small percentage of the Steam Deck userbase that's impacted by this as I have the OLED model and it does not flicker or cause _me_ eye strain, even when at the absurdly low brightness levels it can reach. | |
| ▲ | clipsy 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t think you quite understand what a “source” is. |
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| ▲ | fzeroracer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't think it's much of a wonder why people are turning to 'anti-tech extremism' as everything around them suddenly is no longer consumer priced. Seeing computing rise anywhere from 1.5x to 2x in pricing while the job market is fucked is enough to make me extremely bitter. |
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| ▲ | pesus an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly. Not only have the prices gone up, they've gone up for no real reason other than some CEOs are attempting to take over society. The average person isn't even seeing much of the upside of modern technology anymore, just the downsides. Gadgets no longer get cheaper over time, experiences no longer improve over time, and every new startup or innovation seems to be used to make their lives worse, whether directly or indirectly. The average person does not really benefit from recent AI tech - and the minuscule benefits they may possibly sometimes get are easily outweighed by the negative effects. Say what you will about the morality of bread and circuses, but making them increasingly out of reach seems like a very bad idea to me. | | |
| ▲ | ericd an hour ago | parent [-] | | >The average person does not really benefit from recent AI tech Really? Most people I know seem to have found the chatbots tremendously helpful. It's much faster than researching via a bunch of google searches. | | |
| ▲ | mrhottakes 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Most people I know don't use chatbots and don't find them helpful. | | |
| ▲ | kotaKat 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | And can 'most people' even afford most of these services? Having seen some people's spend, even a $200/month plan has me questioning why I'd spend $200/month on Anthropic products when $200/month would be a substantial chunk of my housing as a blue-collar class IT worker just to survive. |
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| ▲ | coffeeindex 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Doesn’t help that prices are skyrocketing because of circular investing and spending between companies trying to amass as many data centers as possible to cash in on AI hype. These same companies keep pushing this idea that everything you know and do is worthless in the face of prompt-fu and that you have to use these platforms they’re pushing or you’re NGMI. | | |
| ▲ | babelfish 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What does this have to do with the steam deck? | | |
| ▲ | doubled112 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | PC hardware like the Steam Deck is more expensive due to demand from AI hype. | |
| ▲ | mrhottakes 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The insides of the Steam Deck have a lot of the same bits and bobbins and thingamajigs that go inside AI data centers. | |
| ▲ | aquova 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Where do you think all the supply that the Steam Deck was previously leveraging went? | |
| ▲ | yieldcrv 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | RAM is expensive and there is scarcity in getting a supply of it = all consumer electronics will cost more |
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| ▲ | idle_zealot an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm glad at least this happened after consumer electronics plateaued. I don't know about you but in my estimation a 5 year old phone and mid-tier gaming PC are holding up fine. The limiting factor in features is more crappy software than hardware. Unless you're looking to run local AI stuff, I guess? But I don't figure the anti-tech crowd would want to do that. Give us replaceable batteries and the right to update our own operating systems and I think we can survive unaffordable RAM for decades if it comes to it. | | |
| ▲ | bcrosby95 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm completely on board with your view, I'm still rocking a 1080ti. But I'd also like to buy my kids a gaming computer someday, and I don't know when that will be, especially with prices being what they are. It took a shockingly long amount of time for a graphics card to come out at 1080 performance that costed less than a 1080. | |
| ▲ | Benanov an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | My thirteen year old PC is holding up fine. I've replaced the disk (condition of me getting it; it was a disused Windows machine), installed Ubuntu, Debian, then Kubuntu, and upgraded the video card, but beyond that...basically as it shipped from Dell. The last BIOS update was 2013. |
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| ▲ | bluescrn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I’m much more concerned by the skyrocketing cost of housing, energy, food, and transport than the cost of tech luxuries. If I never buy another GPU or console again, there’s more than enough quality gaming for several lifetimes available on older hardware and often very inexpensively. | | |
| ▲ | everdrive an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | >I’m much more concerned by the skyrocketing cost of housing, energy, food, and transport than the cost of tech luxuries. I'm with you, but given that I have no control over any of them I wouldn't have minded that my luxury fun was still cheap. About a decade or so ago, I remember saying something like "We're in an odd period historically: if you except housing, healthcare, and education, everything else is _stunningly_ cheap by historical norms." I wasn't trying to discount the importance of those things, but it felt like there was at least some relief among the rising costs there. Now, it seems like "everything else" has caught up and it's simply that everything is expensive. | |
| ▲ | jdprgm 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The difference is those have largely all been steadily increasing every year for decades. Tech and entertainment (streamers etc) have been one of the few bright spots you could point to as something that would usually improve yearly. At this point there is hardly anything left and I think it leads to some pretty dark scenarios when we have a society where we have somehow decided: fuck it, almost everything gets worse for almost all of you every single year. | |
| ▲ | tavavex an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Those same components are contained in tech everything, not just "luxuries". If you want to stick with your current hardware, you just need to hope that your existing setup will outlast you and never have any part failures. |
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| ▲ | threetonesun 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Inflation adjusted gaming is about the same as its always been. Hurts to see prices go up but it happened during the SNES days too, and the job market was more fucked then. | |
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| ▲ | caymanjim an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Really tempted to sell mine. I have a 1TB OLED that I think I paid $649 for last year. It's a dumpsterfire* of a device and I hate it and never use it. Could easily sell it for more than I paid for it. * Too big and heavy to hold without sitting and resting it on my lap, which is a horribly-unergonomic position with neck strain. Controls are widely-separated such that even with my giant sasquatch hands, it's hard to reach all the buttons. So many buttons on it that there's nowhere to hold it without accidentally pressing them (I accidentally turn it off every time I use it). Loud fan and hot air blowing out. Few games I like that work well without a keyboard and mouse. Even fewer that have readable text on the tiny screen. CPU/GPU too weak for many games. Almost no games targeting the platform so UX feels hacky. Honestly I don't know what the market for this is. I bought it to use in my RV and figured even if I didn't use it as a console, it'd be good connected to a proper monitor/keyboard/mouse, but a lot of titles don't work well under emulation, even after eliminating the hardware UX issues. |
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| ▲ | dminik 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Ok, I have to ask. How do you accidentally turn it off? The power button is at the top and it's flush. It's not like you can hit it accidentally. | |
| ▲ | devilbunny 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > even with my giant sasquatch hands, it's hard to reach all the buttons Did you find the OG Xbox "Duke" controller comfortable? I did. The Deck doesn't have the best layout IMO, but I don't have trouble reaching the buttons. > readable text on the tiny screen Definitely an issue, especially those over 40 - which, really, is sort of a major part of the expected market. | |
| ▲ | matthewfcarlson 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I got an Xbox Ally X (with bazzite as Gabe intended) after enjoying the steam deck so much. I get it's not for everyone, but I wasn't playing games on my desktop due to life/kids/etc. The handheld is awesome for my personal case, I love casual games and use it on the couch/plane/bed. If you want a PC with a keyboard and mouse that works with everything, get a gaming laptop. If you want to pull out a game for 15 minutes, play, then hit sleep and come back later, a handheld is absolutely the best way to go. | |
| ▲ | WolfeReader 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Instead of a tiresome rebuttal of all your hyperbolic, insincere points, I'll just encourage you to go ahead and sell your Deck. Get it into the hands of someone who will appreciate it. |
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| ▲ | newaccountman2 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| jeez Steam Deck feels like one of the most disappointing pieces of hardware I have purchased. Def not worth at that price. |
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| ▲ | stodor89 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I realized that most of the games I fancied playing just aren't meant for a 7" screen. | |
| ▲ | sedatk 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Interesting, it's one of my most cherished tech purchases, and I use it extensively, both as a home console and while traveling. It's beautiful. | | |
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