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France Launches Government Linux Desktop Plan as Windows Exit Begins(numerique.gouv.fr)
501 points by embedding-shape 2 hours ago | 191 comments
lionkor 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box.

All games I want to play run very well and mostly the process is just "install -> play".

If a game has an aggressive anticheat, like Battlefield 6 or Valorant, it will not work and you can forget about it.

Controllers work fine, so do some wheels and other peripherals, but a good number of wheels, pedals, joysticks, VR headsets, and other wild and wacky input devices might not work that well or not at all. It mostly depends on whether the software for them runs on Linux, runs in Wine, or is needed at all. Not sure about VR, but I know it was a bit dire 1-2 years ago.

If you don't play hardcore simulator games, and don't play one of the competitive shooters with aggressive anticheat (e.g. CS2 and other competitive shooters run perfectly well), you can just install Linux, install Steam or one of the other launchers, and just hit play.

If you're not sure, you can check the status on https://protondb.com.

esskay 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah good on them, everyone needs to do this. It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic, buggy mess it is. "Easy" shouldn't be the excuse in this day and age. Big orgs and especially government entities should be hiring the people that know what they're doing and get off that crummy platform.

ChocolateGod 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic

Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as nice and cohesive as Group Policy, Active Directory etc.

Plus you can pay Microsoft to host it all for you on Azure.

llarsson 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Imagine what can happen if the French and other governments would start pouring all the money into developing that further in the open, rather than just giving it all to Microsoft instead?

pjc50 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as nice and cohesive as Group Policy, Active Directory etc.

Isn't it about time someone developed one?

The foundations are there; you can imagine an organization deploying laptops with, say, Ansible, and not giving users root on them. LDAP sort of matches the old capabilities of AD, but not completely. There's even a "SAMBA as fake domain controller" mode.

Ironically what it needs is a product or service which organizations can pay to take the problem off their hands. But then people get stuck in never paying for anything in the open source world.

forinti 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, liberty comes at a cost. It seems that convenience is no longer the main motivator for many people.

lionkor 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Convenience comes as a result of mass market adoption, for products for which convenience was not already the main selling factor. Look at cars; they were kind of difficult to drive and maintain 60 years ago, now they're super convenient to drive and maintain as you essentially just press buttons and look at screens to get all needed information about the car and drive it.

It's probably something like "inception -> adoption -> convenience". For Windows it was the same, was it not? It wasn't absolutely convenient to use, it was just better (in terms of usability and features for the average consumer), and convenience came after (Windows XP, Windows 7). Sadly the functionality degraded, and now all that is left is convenience.

veber-alex 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

lol "liberty" as if you are fighting to free slaves or something.

Europe doesn't want to depend on US infrastructure, that's the only reason to do this.

Nobody cares about Linux "freedom" or open source.

pjc50 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

Freedom from suddenly being cut off is potentially important.

ndriscoll 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've never understood the management thing. People manage fleets of Linux machines all the time. What does group policy do that e.g. nix or ansible don't?

hug 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Group Policy and Active Directory are dead, for all intents and purposes.

It's now Intune (via OMA-DM), and Entra. Both of those products are about as bad as you might imagine the "cloud" versions of GP & AD might be.

They are better, in ways -- no longer having to care and feed for domain controllers is nice, and there's no longer an overhead for additive policy processing, so endpoints only get a single set of policy and log on much quicker -- but for the most part, enterprise management of Windows devices is in a worse place than it was ten years ago.

Try to figure out how long it will take an online Intune device to discover a new policy: As far as I can tell the answer is "eventually". There are bandaids for this, because of how infuriating it is, of course, but all time guarantees are basically gone.

Ask me a decade ago what an enterprise should do, and my answer would be straightforward: AD, GPO, Exchange.

The answer now is not simple.

polski-g an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It makes sense that everyone uses Windows for gaming, because you can't run games in your browser.

It makes zero sense for businesses to use Windows if they're only doing PowerPoint and video conferences.

bergheim an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This comment was wildly invalid even years ago.

See proton, heroic launcher, etc, etc.

Cyberpunks own benchmarking suite runs 30% faster (for whatever reason; my wintendo install is stock and nothing but nvidia drivers) on the ntfs windows partition on Arch.

Gud an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No it makes no sense at all. I do my gaming on Arch.

Windows sucks and I hope to see the demise of Microsoft during my lifetime(crosses fingers).

stunseed 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Most of their revenue is tied to other stuff though

1. Productivity / Business (~43%)

Includes:

Microsoft 365 (Office, Teams) - these can be likely ported to Linux if they're not already since they also work on MacOS? LinkedIn Dynamics (ERP/CRM)

~$120.8B

2. Cloud (~38%)

Includes:

Azure (runs on mostly linux, and moving cloud provider as a big corp is expensive, I don't see massive companies stuck in azure infra moving from it) Server products (Windows Server, SQL Server, etc.)

~$106.3B

I fully support the demise of Windows as an OS

But microsoft as a company has shifted away from Windows as their source of revenue, and will probably not be impacted too badly if it were to die completely.

knollimar 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I was under the impression anticheat is the only thing stopping linux gaming from taking over

lionkor 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Anticheat and support for joysticks, steering wheels, VR, etc. is one factor for sure. I would say almost all games people play, which dont fall in the above categories, run out of the box with no or very minor tweaks needed (no terminal).

freedomben 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes it's true

breve 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Run your Windows games on Linux: https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/nearly-90-percen...

kombine 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Actually, it's the exact opposite. There is really no alternative to PowerPoint on Linux, unfortunately. I'm saying this as someone who's used Linux for 20 years now.

CalRobert 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I haven’t seen power point used professionally for over a decade. All google (though I’ve made the odd prezi)

the_lonely_time 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Are you just hanging around California startups? I work in big consulting and am inside hundreds of the largest companies in the US, everyone of which is fully Microsoft and only ever seen PowerPoint. I’m in dozens of teams meetings a week across as many organizations and have been in 2 Google meets meeting in the last decade, both of which were California fintech startups.

vladvasiliu 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, most people use MS where I live, too. But most of them only scratch the surface. To this thread's point, 99% of PowerPoint presentations I've seen are just walls of text on a bunch of slides, with the occasional illegible graph.

Now I'm not saying I actually know my way around PPT or that I'm some presentation whiz, but this can probably be done with the browser version. Just like the "new" Outlook is simply a new Edge skin.

I work for a company that has drunk the MS Kool-Aid and then went back for a refill, yet I've never had any issue using the web version of the suite ever since it came out. I don't even run Windows on my work laptop. Teams is the only app that seems marginally better in its heavy version (heh), since it supports separate windows for the calls.

CalRobert 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

European startups mostly.

kombine 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've worked in academia for years (in computer vision labs) and I can confidently say that PowerPoint is the best tool to prepare research presentations.

ptk 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Every single morning on the train to work, I watch people put finishing touches on PowerPoint presentations.

tekla 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I continue to be impressed as to how much of a bubble HN people reside in. A very small bubble.

jrgd 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Probably just a matter of time, it’s possible the friction will create opportunities. Something in the spirit of iaPresenter, md first would be awesome.

At the moment i have long html page with key event for next and previous, tiny script to check on specif markup for autoscroll.

dotcoma 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If there’s no alternative to PowerPoint, that should be treated as a plus, not as a problem.

chocochunks 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Huh? There's a ton of PowerPoint alternatives that work on Linux. LibreOffice, OnlyOffice, Collabora Office, Calligra Stage, Google Slides, the online version of PowerPoint, more techy things like LaTeX Beamer or Reveal.js. Maybe these don't have perfect PowerPoint compatibility, or some niche PowerPoint feature you need but there's plenty of slide deck making options that work on Linux.

robertlagrant 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I tried LibreOffice (Impress) for something simple and it was not good - in fact it would just freeze. Although it did have a feature on MacOS that PowerPoint for Mac didn't, so I ended up using Impress for the first little bit and then PowerPoint for the rest.

cs02rm0 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And then Canva, Prezi, etc. I can't understand the idea that there's no alternative to PowerPoint on Linux either.

soco 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd think the only Office part difficult to replace is Excel. It has a lot of functionality, provides a lot of value and is the workhorse of most business processes I see. Now how do you replace THAT?

prmoustache 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

There are decent alternatives on all operating systems, including Linux.

drooopy 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My Linux computer now is my main gaming machine. I purged my Windows partition a couple of years ago and haven't had the need to look back yet.

klabb3 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1. total abandonment of desktop as a platform, and the massive hurdles to distribute desktop software

2. move to Cloud and use electron wrappers because not even MS can bother making native apps on their shitty platform

3. Make Windows so shit that even hardcore power users can’t debloat it.

The moat of Windows is gone. Games, office work, all the classic arguments, have basically vanished in the last 5-10 years. The only surprise is why more people don’t get in the life rafts, when the ship is listing at 45 degrees. Is it because there’s still an army of workers and institutional inertia trained in Active Directory?

freedomben 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Is it because there’s still an army of workers and institutional inertia trained in Active Directory?

Yes, that is a huge driver of inertia. I've had to battle that in so many different companies now, and it is absolutely aggravating. That on top of comments about how Linux sucks from someone who either has never used it, or has only used it on a server and thinks that is all Linux has to offer, are absolutely soul destroying.

usrusr 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

4. putting Mac users in charge of the UI who are genuinely incapable of understanding how they are breaking continuity.

That's like staffing a neurosurgery department with dentists. Or a dental clinic with neurosurgeons, it does not matter, you can have decades of experience working with a drill in the head area and still be the wrong person for the job.

sublinear 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Most consumers are primarily on mobile devices.

Windows persists in the workplace where the cost to replace it is significantly higher than keeping it, and keeping it doesn't cost much to begin with. Part of that cost would be training, yes.

The other part is finding compliant equivalents for the rest of the software they use. If the MFA, VPN, chat, email, etc. are all already vetted and designed to be compatible, there's no way they'd want to switch. Many policies regarding proprietary information disclosure are also built off this ecosystem and the certifications Microsoft's cloud already has.

zecg an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Except today games all work and invariably markedly better on Linux. Even the games that stopped working on Windows for me work great, like https://www.protondb.com/app/2008510

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's almost like Microsoft might be offering something on top of businesses using Windows, that isn't as commonly available for other platforms.

Or businesses are just clueless face-less entities who have no idea what they're doing. Probably the truth is a little bit of both.

prmoustache 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What Microsoftoffer is having only one contact / contract for a huge fraction of the IT needs of a company so I can understand it solves some headache vs building stuff from many bricks with as many contracts.

hootz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Microsoft offers ease of integration, in exchange for your company to be locked in forever in their domain.

close04 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

They offer a full ecosystem where everything integrates with everything else, especially the central pillar of identity. But you will pay for that in more ways than just money or lockin. If you work with their solutions, the more you dig into them with the help of MS people, the scarier it gets. You will have a lot of "holy cow" moments.

Businesses choose it because it works with what they already have. The existing tools, processes, skills, and because Microsoft was always a safe choice by virtue of being almost implicit. They choose Microsoft because they're already deep into Microsoft, it's the option carrying the lowest risk and lowest short term cost.

Switching to Linux is complex, expensive, and risky. The transition is long and expensive, plagued with teething issues, your MS focused knowledge is redundant, the patience of your sponsor can run out before the move delivers anything of impact. Who wants to take such risks when they can just not rock the boat and call it a day?

surgical_fire 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The vast majority of my Steam library runs on Mint without issues (and some older games run actually smoother on Linux than they did on Windows).

Not to mention my very large emulation library.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

sylens 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many government orgs have spent the last decade and a half slowly transitioning old legacy applications and platforms to browser-based alternatives. That old ERP software that used to require a thick client? Now it runs in Chrome. Microsoft recognized this and smartly moved to keep these customers locked in via an ever growing Microsoft Office bundle - subscription based, with Teams for their chat and then building up additional capabilities to extend the dependency, like InTune.

Where we are at now is that the pain of moving away from Windows is acceptable for many larger organizations and governments, especially those with flat or decreasing budgets. You can just swap out the OS layer and keep other processes the same - keep using Office with just the browser versions if you want, or move to an alternative (like EU-based). Teams works on Linux. There is no moat on Windows anymore

Latitude7973 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

France has been making good moves to achieve software independence from the US. It would be an even better move to allow those in Europe or indeed the rest of the world to also benefit.

vrganj an hour ago | parent | next [-]

France and Germany are actually cooperating on most of these, like the word processor: https://www.techspot.com/news/107225-france-germany-unveil-d...

Plus, it's all open source, so the rest of the world is free to use it as well!

kombine 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is great! Any plans to add spreadsheets to the suite?

toinebeg 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

The docs project is part of "La Suite"[1]. They choose Grist[2] as the spreadsheet which is made by an American company but open source and there is a significant contribution from the French it admin.

[1]https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/

[2]https://www.getgrist.com/

palata an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It would be an even better move to allow those in Europe or indeed the rest of the world to also benefit.

Those initiatives are usually open source. It's just that many times, each country wants to make their own. But it's still better than staying with the TooBigTech monopolies.

kergonath an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

France is funding a lot of open source projects. They may not be very sexy or trendy, but they are there.

rvnx 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's good to differentiate truly independent tech from the unfortunately common government-pushed French-tech that are US-tech rewrapped.

e.g. Qwant is a re-skin of Microsoft Bing

It's a great move overall.

SyneRyder 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Qwant is working on that. Together with Ecosia they're building their own index called the European Search Perspective:

"Today, Europe receives 99% of the answers to search queries from external infrastructures. We believe, however, that a higher level of digital sovereignty is essential for a functioning democracy and economy. With our new web index, we are creating a European perspective on politics, culture and values. This is a long overdue step towards more plurality in the digital world, which is also being called for by our society."

https://www.eu-searchperspective.com

halapro an hour ago | parent [-]

> a European perspective on politics, culture and values

To be honest this does not sound much better. 40 years ago maybe I would have preferred EU values over the US' puritan values. Nowadays I'd just expect a different flavor of poison.

vidarh 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

If they were a monopolist, sure. But as an alternative, I'll take it.

cybrox 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As far as I know, Qwant indexes itself and substitute with existing crawler results, which seems a reasonable compromise.

Pay08 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ok? You could make the same argument about Chinese tech, German tech, or American tech.

rvnx an hour ago | parent [-]

Still less, there is a lot of sovereignty-washing in EU, and specifically in France because this gives you access to grants and public markets.

Bpifrance, the Caisse des Dépôts, France 2030, Horizon Europe, etc.

To access that money, you need the right narrative. So companies learn to wrap their pitch in sovereignty language, get the grants, and then quietly build on top of AWS, Azure or GCP.

Not that it's dramatic, but there is a difference between hosted in France (where dependency still exists), and hosted + engineered in France.

Hopefully this transition to Linux is going to push France government to get rid of Crowdstrike, it's insane they let such backdoor run inside.

mickael-kerjean an hour ago | parent [-]

As a French citizen who's been building an open source Dropbox alternative for almost a decade [1], the sovereignty talk in France makes me cringe. Everyone has the word in their mouth, but nobody bothers to even search for alternatives, let alone give them a chance. France represents about 1% of my customer base with only a single customer: LVMH. I've had a whole bunch of French universities contacting me, nobody was willing to contribute toward the development because culturally we assume libre software must be free of charge so you'd better either beg for grants or have a rich uncle to sponsor your life. I've tried reaching out to the people who talk loud about sovereignty. Turns out it's just something they say at conferences to entertain each other as they have no power to actually make it happen, and don't even get me started on public markets.

[1] https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash

brnt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They do: https://github.com/suitenumerique It's used by, among others, the Dutch government: https://github.com/MinBZK/mijn-bureau

mrjay42 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There's been some 'back and forth' or "progress and regress' about this.

Adoption of Free Software:

2012 Prime Minister circular — the most important formal turning point: Orientations pour l'usage des logiciels libres dans l'administration, signed on 19 September 2012. It explicitly gave guidance to public administrations on free software use.

2016 Digital Republic Law — reinforced the direction by encouraging public administrations to use free software and open formats.

2021 action plan for Free Software and Digital Commons — launched after the Prime Minister’s circular of 27 April 2021, with goals to increase awareness, use, publication of source code, and reuse across administrations.

2024–2026 LaSuite / Suite Numérique — current state-led open-source collaboration suite, presented by DINUM as a coherent set of open-source tools for public agents and positioned as part of the state’s sovereignty strategy

Rollbacks and proprietary deals

Microsoft “Open Bar” contract with the Ministry of Defence / Armed Forces — a major counterexample. The Senate records say the framework agreement started in 2009 and was renewed for 2013–2017 and 2017–2021, without publicity or competition, giving the ministry broad access to Microsoft’s catalog.

Criticism and replacement with UGAP purchasing — later reporting says the open-bar arrangement ended in February 2021 and was replaced by a convention via UGAP, but the ministry still relied on broad Microsoft licensing and associated services.

2025 education procurement for Microsoft — a public tender worth 74 million euros for the Ministry of Education and higher education services was attributed to Microsoft, showing that proprietary dependence continued alongside open-source policy.

2025–2026 public-private partnerships in sovereignty language — France and Germany announced a partnership with Mistral AI and SAP for sovereign AI in public administration, which is not a free-software rollback in the strict sense, but it is a clear example of the state pursuing sovereignty through private-sector partnerships rather than purely internal open-source development.

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Conclusion:

Like anything in capitalism: it's a constant fight, permanent struggle. The big private companies will try to massively impact political life.

So, there IS in France this 'feeling', this consciousness, throughout the political landscape (mostly on the left and also a little bit on the right) that we need to have some sovereignty over our data, services, software, etc.

Every once in a while, a right-side political figure, who are basically ruling since 2000, (except from 2012-2017 where France had a social-democratic government and president) has a sparkle of dignity, decency, logic, and honesty towards the best interests of the country and leans towards Free Software adoption. But...the lobbies are always there to rollback each decision, or part of each decision, and gradually gain back their influence.

mickael-kerjean 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

As a French citizen who spent almost a decade building an alternative to Dropbox that's libre software [1] I was very disappointed my own country decided to build a product competing with mine when French companies are about 1% of the existing customer base. I would have never thought my own government would be competing on my niche

[1] https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash

hootz an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This permanent struggle is so tiresome. Makes me feel powerless and depressed.

morog an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used Linux 10 years ago, but then due to job or corp. and needing Teams and Outlook I was forced to uses Windows. Now with corp job over I was finally able to switch to Linux this week (Fedora + KDE). Loving improvements made in the last 10 years, KDE will always have its quirks, but it is fast and smooth with no crashes yet. I got Claude to make me a migration script which worked brilliantly, haven't needed to boot Windows yet. Browser sessions and everything worked like nothing had changed. All my various ssh / putty configs migrated to Konsole, Thunderbird carries on like nothing has changed. Ahhhh freedom!

shevy-java an hour ago | parent [-]

Strange. I switched to Linux +25 years ago. My setup became quite minimal; right now I use IceWM for the most part. GNOME3 was always useless; KDE also changed since Nate "I need more moneys!" took over (see his donation daemon or the more recent "systemd-only" tied with wayland-only garbage that KDE succumbed to).

Linux is good in that you can combine things that work, so it is more flexible than windows. But desktop wise I don't see it becoming really dominant; GTK is now a GNOMEy-only toolkit. Qt is too busy focusing on their own business model. Desktop Linux is not useless, but it is really just sub-par compared to Windows. I also use Win10 on a second computer; I don't like it but I use it for testing. Linux lacks decision-making power focus (and corporations such as IBM/Red Hat are selfish, so these will never reach any "breakthrough" like the infamous Desktop of the Year, which I heard will come next year together with GNU Hurd ... I think).

kalaksi 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Desktop Linux is not useless, but it is really just sub-par compared to Windows.

Each to their own. My experience is the opposite (I use KDE). I have to use Windows at work and it's always such a pain. At least Windows 11 finally has multiple workspaces natively and some keyboard shortcuts for managing windows (ironic), but I would have preferred to stay in Windows 10.

Now Windows doesn't even support proper suspend anymore and it won't stay in the "modern standby" either. Constantly waking up and doing god knows what with fans screaming. When I take a look what it's doing, task manager claims that nothing resource intensive is going on. I'm guessing it's hiding some internal processes. It calms down when I put it to sleep again. Sorry for the rant, I better stop before I start.

faccacta an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems like what Europe really needs to do this is a viable mobile OS. It's been true for a while that Linux + LibreOffice is plenty to handle most government workers' needs on the desktop, but that's only good for when they are at their desks. Are there any viable alternatives to iOS and Android that are totally free of "dépendances extra-européennes"? What's the plan?

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The Finns, as always, continue to develop mobile phones, Jolla is back from the dead and supposedly starts shipping sometime in 2026 with a new iteration on the hardware and the OS, time will tell if it'll have any impact.

Might not be 100% Europe-made from the get go, but good ideas and executions often start with small steps and iterate rather than having something groundbreaking out of the gate.

WhyNotHugo an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm not convinced that replacing one proprietary OS with another is the solution.

That said, I won't deny that Jolla is much more trustworthy than Google or Apple.

fsloth a minute ago | parent | next [-]

[delayed]

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> I'm not convinced that replacing one proprietary OS with another is the solution.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not super familiar with Jolla's/Sailfish's architecture, but isn't most of the OS actually FOSS, while there is a thin proprietary compatibility layer, and that's about it? Was some months ago I last read about it so could be misremembering, but seems like a good first step at the very least.

WhyNotHugo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Linux on Mobile has been progressing steadily in recent years, and is in a state suitable for very early adopters and tech enthusiasts. Definitely not for the general population IMHO.

See: https://postmarketos.org/

FWIW, it's not just the EU that needs this urgently: most of humanity sorely needs a trustworthy mobile OS that's not designed against their interests.

apatheticonion 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A big hurdle to this is hardware vendors locking bootloaders and making it impossible (or impractical) to write or use existing drivers.

Manufacturers maintain long running forks of Android (often very old Linux kernels) with their drivers hidden in their fork's source.

I'm a firm believer in the right to repair software - and the fact that it's illegal to reverse engineer binary blob drivers (or proprietary software at all) is a shame (not that you could even untangle a driver from a binary blob of a Linux fork). I'd go as far as feeling strongly that drivers should be open source, and if they aren't, documentation sufficient for the community to write drivers should be made available by manufacturers.

Linux on M5? Should be easy

Linux on an X Elite Surface Book? Should be easy

Ubuntu Touch on my Pixel 9? Should be easy

Android TV on my TV? Should be easy

Proxmox on my 5g mobile router? Should be easy

No drivers / locked bootloaders = not possible

samus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Android Open Source is good enough. The tough part are device-specific drivers that never make it upstream and are eventually abandoned by the vendor, making upgrade past specific kernel versions very troublesome.

notrealyme123 an hour ago | parent [-]

It is controlled by Google so it not. As long as Google is setting the roadmap for android it is not a viable option.

samus 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

At the same time it is an open source product and can therefore be forked. Being controlled by Google prevents not nearly such an issue as Microsoft products or the Apple ecosystem.

dackdel an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

remind me of firefox os https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/firefox-os

benterix 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if American companies started using it if the French get it right. The instability of the current administration is one thing, but Microsoft disregard for its user deserves an appropriate response that will actually hit them where they care.

derfurth 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would be great, however the title is misleading: the only announcement regarding linux desktop is that the DINUM - a relatively small but perhaps influential government agency pledges to leave Windows.

I believe the largest Linux Desktop initiative in France is GendBuntu[1] for the National Gendarmerie

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu

ngomez 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interestingly, Microsoft has been trying to get ahead of this for a couple of years now with their National Partner Clouds program [0], which they describe as:

> designed for scenarios where full ownership and operational independence from Microsoft is required

In France's case, Capgemini and Orange have a joint venture to operate datacenters that Microsoft runs Azure and Office on top of [1]. Moving away from Windows and Teams would still reduce their dependence on Microsoft substantially. But if the core goal is to reduce dependence on non-European suppliers, I would be wary of the French government buying services from "Bleu" when it's mainly Microsoft and a couple of consultancies in a trenchcoat.

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/azure-sovereign-clou...

[1] https://www.capgemini.com/news/press-releases/capgemini-and-...

21asdffdsa12 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There should be a chapter in economic books on how entrenched monopoly companies become on the inside, like small states where little companies (called departments) play freemarket for promotion points, the outside forces completely suspended while the endoplasmic reticulum of the monopoly company lasts.

harlequinetcie an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find fascinating how so many people are moving away from Microsoft decades after they should have because of simply the inertia that large organizations have on adoption.

Above all, I'm also surprised on how those same organization are using Anthropic or OpenAI or other close source solutions for their agent harnesses instead of going for Open Source.

Malte just yesterday showed how powerful innovation with small teams can be achieved particularly in EU.

I hope they start looking for those alternatives too for their agentic systems, beyond using pi-mono.

JaggerJo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hope we’ll do the same in germany.

newqer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

They tried it a long time ago, but it seems to be rolled back to Windows again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux

I hope our French friends can learn from this initiative during the adoption phase.

mijoharas an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I seem to remember many people saying it was done by the mayor because Microsoft moved their German headquarters

> Reiter denied that he had initiated the reversal in gratitude for Microsoft moving its German headquarters from Unterschleißheim back to Munich

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux

lonelyasacloud an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I hope our French friends can learn from this initiative during the adoption phase.

The apps are available now, so reasons to be optimistic.

When LiMux and similar efforts happened around 2004 most business applications were Windows only. Even the ones that purported to be web used windows only technology and required IE and Windows.

Now with years of business budget controlling types using their Macs and smart phones and wanting access to the their apps the majority - even MS's stuff - can be run well in a browser on almost any OS.

tcfhgj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"they" is a German city, not Germany

spacechild1 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> but it seems to be rolled back to Windows again.

Apparently it was a decision by mayor Dieter Reiter after excessive lobbying by Microsoft. At roughly the same time, Microsoft moved their German headquarter back to Munich. What a coincidence...

Propelloni an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There were and are initiatives. Of course, they were and are ridiculed all the time. Who can't recall LiMuX or check out ZenDIS (Zentrum für Digitale Souveränität in der öffentlichen Verwaltung). Read up on the current migration away from MS Office in Schleswig-Holstein.

raincole an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You did, and you'll do again. Just like quitting smoking.

VadimPR an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anyone here familiar with the details of GendBuntu[1], the Ubuntu distro used by the French Gendarmerie? I'd love to hear what is working and what isn't on the ground.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu?useskin=vector

motbus3 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This should have been done years ago. This will certainly drive bad actors to harm Linux too unfortunately

enoint 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

France and Germany have endemic malware. Reacting defensively to it might be easier with Claude on the OS source code.

soggybread 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Honestly the only thing keeping me from bringing up the idea of moving to linux is that Windows has active directory and domain wide group policies - if linux had something similar that was easy to manage I'm sure a lot more corporations would move to linux. The ease at which I can adjust system settings throughout the company or within each department such as disabling/enabling features, mapping drives or printers. I haven't found a better alternative than active directory

apatheticonion 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hopefully this results in investment in desktop environments and Wine!

master-lincoln 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

Why? We have plenty of well working Desktop Managers and WINE is doing better than ever. I'd argue there are bigger issues in Linux like default process isolation and access authorization per program being behind other OSes

looksjjhg 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s quite remarkable what the current administration have “achieved” in a year or so

michaelashley29 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

been a long time coming for windows. wonder who else will follow suit

a-dub an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

hmm. hoping that all the weird business requirements get confined to a specific distro with careful gating prior to upstreaming. it would be bad if they were allowed to pollute the ecosystem more generally (which one could argue is why windows is the way it is).

tom-blk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Got my full support, go go go!!!

schnitzelstoat an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a good move. Hopefully, they stick with it. I remember some cases in Germany where they switched and then later switched back.

It's a shame that we have no equivalent to Google or AWS in Europe and now that it seems LLMs might eat search, we don't have any of those either.

CalRobert 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But will they use azure?

zoobab an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What they should launch is an abuse of dominant position on the desktop/laptop market, with appropriate remedies such as fines.

mrtksn 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Prediction: If USA ends up attacking EU, EU will freeze all the US tech company money and compel them to open their platforms and move all the backend services to EU soil in exchange of unfreezing it and continue operating in a free but regulated market.

For example locked communication devices are huge national security risk, so Apple will have their money frozen and given two options:

1) Open up iOS etc, bring all the servers to EU. Continue business as usual, EU financial institutions may choose to use Apple services as Apple pay but they may choose to bypass it. EU developers may choose to use Apple App Store services and pay the Apple's fees or they may choose to bypass it. Apple may chose to make Xcode a paid software, developers may choose not to purchase Xcode and use other non-Apple tools and pay nothing to Apple.

2) Use credit against the frozen money to refund your users if they bring their devices to you. All the Apple devices will be locked out from EU mobile providers(technically very easy for iPhone, simply by blocking devices with Apple IMEI on EU networks) and any remaining devices of the users will be refunded with the Apple's money. After some grace period, any money remaining in Apple's account will be transferred to Apple and if Apple wants to do business in EU again will have to do the option 1.

I'm bit on the doomer side of things, so I think that if Trump keeps his current course and power, at the end of the term American software industry will shrink by %90 as it will be expelled from most of the world and will be serving to 350M people instead of 8B people. Its amazing how US is screwing up its dominant position in this incredibly lucrative industry that lets them serve a market of 8B people and accumulate huge wealth in the process.

Frieren 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Europe in general have great software engineers. What it lacks is investment. To see the goverment serving its own country instead of foreign billionaire interests is good change of pace.

And Linux development and adoption helps everybody not just France. A win win.

spiderfarmer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Being dependent on US tech feels the same as when we were dependent on Russian energy: strategically unwise and avoidable. We have alternatives, they just need work.

Lihh27 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

the license was never the real bill. the control plane was

carlosjobim an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Like last time, I ask again: Which are the European made computers?

DrBazza an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Which are the US made computers? Start by excluding all the ones with Korean LCD panels, and Taiwanese motherboards, and Chinese parts.

If you mean assembled then there are lots of very small European companies that make custom build PCs.

Economies of scale in the US, a single language, and cheap transport, mean that the US companies grow very big internally, very easily. And then go international without much effort. The same is not true in Europe, so there's not a huge Dell, HP, or IBM equivalent.

In 2026, the only country on the entire planet that can likely make their own computer with 100% their parts and labour, and is actively trying, is China.

einr 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

The same is not true in Europe, so there's not a huge Dell, HP, or IBM equivalent.

In the 90s and up until the early 00s we used to have quite a few pretty serious contenders, but they are all dead now: ICL, Siemens-Nixdorf, Tulip, Bull, Olivetti, etc.

sph an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No European made computers today doesn't preclude the possibility that there will be one tomorrow. RISC-V is the way out, and there are a number of European initiatives (though nothing serious just yet, I admit)

As a European dev, because I like RISC-V and because of the geopolitical situation I wouldn't bet on x86 in the long term.

rixed 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

I've been not betting on x86 in the long term since the PowerPC was announced ;)

Snafuh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use an European made computer from Schenker (their XMG subbrand actually).

Of course the components are not European made. But Dell's components are not US made either.

I can also buy a Japanese or Korean (or Chinese) computer. There is no dependency on a single country.

GJim an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Being independent of Chinese manufacturing is a tougher challenge for anybody.

Though at least the Chinese are predictable, unlike dealing with the USA.

kergonath an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s all about risk management. No solution is ever perfect, and that works for the US as well.

Also, some partners are more reliable than others. If China becomes as volatile as the US, it would change the risk assessment and stimulate other parts of the industry.

rvnx an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm more concerned about the fact that only ASML can make machines producing advanced chips (EUV).

This is a way way more concerning topic. The irony is that China might be the one fixing that dependency + bring prices down.

One bomb on the Netherlands and it is over for nearly all the worldwide supply-chain, 10 or 15 years of regression.

Even worse, they can remotely kill the machines for political reasons.

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Which are the European made computers?

Recently, not so many I suppose. But many of the earliest computers were European, so surely we could get there again at one point, hardly impossible.

samus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Achieving redundancy from China is likely not possible in the near future. Meanwhile, the risk emanating from a rugpull or by deliberate sabotage by the USA is very concrete.

edg5000 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interestingly, there are zero non-US powerful laptops. The closest option is the Moore Threads MTT AI Book (12-core 2.65Ghz, 32GB DDR5, 1TB SSD, 14 inch). It cannot reach a modern Ryzen in performance though. It's fascinating that only the US can make good computers. I'm not from/in the US so I'm not saying that from a patriotic point of view. How hard can it be to pop a good ARM chip in a laptop and compete with HP, Apple and the likes?

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> It's fascinating that only the US can make good computers.

Seemingly, the US might be able to design good computers, but it cannot make them themselves. This should make it easier for others to do the same, design the computer in country X but actually make it somewhere else, just like the US. Yet we're not seeing this at all.

samus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which powerful computers are made in the USA? Design and assembly don't count, as these are the least robust to replication attempts. Apart from that, the manufacturing is all in East Asia; Intel is the exception, not the normal!

palata an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> It's fascinating that only the US can make good computers.

Lenovo is Chinese, right? Xiaomi, Samsung... can you really not name one non-US company making computers?

soco 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm typing on Acer right now. And there's Asus, MSI, Fujitsu...

croes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given that most chips use photolithography machines by ASML: nearly all of them

cromka an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> "Like last time"

I am perplexed by people who use condescending phrases like this. You think we track what you said before?

spiderfarmer 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Or that he tracks me, which would be creepy

2OEH8eoCRo0 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

What are the American-made computers? The Apple macbook assembled in China with Korean displays and Taiwanese chips?

carlosjobim 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

I haven't mentioned America or any other continent. It is the Europeans who are shouting about sovereignty right now.

Americans for their part would probably be very happy to use made-in-Europe software on their computers whenever applicable.

einr 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I haven't mentioned America or any other continent. It is the Europeans who are shouting about sovereignty right now.

Well, no one has mentioned computer hardware until you did.

Surely you understand how "all the motherboards are made in Taiwan" is less of an immediate risk to sovereignty than "all of our business and personal data is stored on American servers and subject to US law"

It would be nice if Europe could produce its own computers, but right now no one can except China, so what is your point? That limited sovereignty efforts undertaken in the realm of reality are futile and that enables you to get some cheap shots in for whatever reason?

carlosjobim 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Computing is the software and the hardware. So you're right, I feel that it is futile.

Well, you can use the old hardware which you've already got if you get cut off from foreign suppliers. But the same is true for software. It's even more true for software.

If the French government and other Europeans were serious about reducing or eliminating dependency on American cloud services, they should switch to older versions of MS Office and MS Windows be done with it. No need to retrain your workers, and a realistic and speedy way to implement it.

samus 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

At the same time, TFA is about software, not about the computers themselves.

simmerup an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Switched to Nobara after getting fed up with one too many Windows bugs. Been a really pleasant experience to be honest

self_awareness an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's kind of good news, but it's also bad news -- with Linux popularity, crapware will be more popular. I kind of liked times when Linux was used only by power users. Today it's slightly different, and with more popularity... we get things like age verification in systemd.

But well, I can always switch to FreeBSD I guess. And that's my plan B.

kuon an hour ago | parent [-]

I am very happy that Linux is becoming main stream but I share your sentiment. FreeBSD is a nice alternative if you want to stay on the edge.

haritha-j 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah Windows. The Temu wine.

w4yai 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Vive la France !

sneak 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Next up: governments rejecting use of AWS.

cynicalsecurity an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Vive la France !

gib444 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Efforts like this are good for people to realise there is a lot of talent in Europe that just gets overshadowed by USA's dominance.

USAians tend think everything is less popular in Europe simply because it is inferior and fails purely on its technical merits. I know nothing will ever change their minds, but at least non-European non-USAians might recognise the efforts a bit more.

We are also willing to accept 'good but not perfect' and understand tradeoffs.

drstewart 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

>USAians

The word you're looking for is Americans, despite whatever preconceived notion you think the word "Americans" actually should mean in English. I know nothing will ever change European minds, but at least understand what the correct form is.

>everything is less popular in Europe simply because it is inferior and fails purely on its technical merits

So everything is less popular in Europe because it fails on many other points? Big applause to you, I guess. Are you looking for a participation award?

Eldodi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

French administration is about to become even more inefficient it was!

nxm 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

It’s getting downvoted, but I agree it’ll become a bureaucratic mess.

bloqs an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fantastic news

HumblyTossed 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is traditionally how you renegotiate with MS.

But seriously, how long before MS offers them a deal they would rather not refuse?

perarneng 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's different this time. It's a geopolitical safety move. You know why it happened and who is responsible for this. Never would have happened otherwise.

UK-Al05 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These are almost always negation strategies rather than serious initiatives.

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sometimes yeah, but clearly not in this case, if you took the time to actually read the article.

You don't ask entire ministries and public operators to formulate a migration plan from Windows to Linux with a relatively short deadline just for negotiation purposes or just for the fun of it, you do that once you're committed to actually migrating.

This is not just a pilot project or some local administration doing an experiment, it's new country-wide policy enforced from the top, hardly a "negotiation strategy".

bayindirh an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think so. Having worked on a similar thing in my country, and the effort is monumental.

When doing this in a company, making technical people appreciate free software and making lasting changes is hard enough. When doing this with non-technical people, everything becomes exponentially harder.

LightBug1 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Excellent move. Hopefully these moves continue the trend spreading through Europe.

With another 3 or so years with the Orange Dildo in charge, there's a decent chance the momentum will turn into something tangible.

dkga 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

de Gaule v2.0 :)

Jyaif an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless you need some windows-only software, using windows at this point is masochism. I was never a fan of Linux, but the Microsoft driven enshitification is so strong that Linux is now a better option. To win, all Linux had to do is stand still, and that's exactly what it did! Ubuntu in 2026 is pretty much the same as Ubuntu from 2006.

internet_points 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

a Windows license is only cheap if your time has negative value

master-lincoln an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

WINE has come a long way. Most Windows software now just works on Linux.

I don't know why you believe Ubuntu stood still. Looking at the history that does not seem to be the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent [-]

Personally, the last holdover is Ableton. Last time this came up, bunch of people pointed me to https://github.com/BEEFY-JOE/AbletonLiveOnLinux which has since then been marked as archived, and I'm still unable to run Ableton 12 properly on Linux via WINE, even though I've probably spent too many man-hours on getting it to work...

I'm still eagerly awaiting the day though, any day now surely.

esskay an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Unless you need some windows-only software

In many cases even if you do though, its possible to run it on WINE pretty well these days. It's insane how good it's become in the last few years (partly thanks to proton and Valves investment in it all really)

ghaff an hour ago | parent [-]

"Pretty well" is doing a lot of work. I have no horse in the race. I just run native on MacOS or Linux. Haven't run any Windows in a number of years. (I don't really game much and would just use my Xbox if I really wanted to--though that mostly functions as a DVD player these days.)

But if "pretty well" causes the random administrative person to have issues with doing their job or increases IT support costs, it will be off the menu pretty quickly. We'll see. A lot of things are different from the last round of we're going to Linux in Europe.

hootz an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Nowadays, pretty well a lot of times means really well, maybe even better than on Windows. See Windows games running faster on Linux through Wine.

ghaff an hour ago | parent | next [-]

As I say no dog in hunt and don't actually have a Linux laptop any longer since I had to send it back to my company--from whence I'm sure it went straight to recycling. Maybe I'll buy an older refurb Thinkpad at some point.

theshackleford 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> See Windows games running faster on Linux through Wine.

Let’s not leave out all the ones that don’t. Which is in fact, the majority of them. Strange how that’s always left out, we wouldn’t want to mislead people now would we?

esskay 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

We've come a long way in the last 2 years. We're at a point where MOST Windows software works flawlessly. I said "pretty well" as theres no doubt a few that don't and it'd be a bit disingenuous for me to suggest otherwise.

I certainly wouldn't come into this with knowledge on wine older than 2 years and make a snap decision though as its a totally different landscape - no weird quirkiness and tweaking needed for the vast majority of applications anymore.

lunar_rover an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> To win, all Linux had to do is stand still, and that's exactly what it did!

It is moving? Red Hat has been investing in containised apps and image based distros for years, Valve single handedly made Linux gaming viable. HDR development is mostly driven by Valve and Red Hat customers.

And no Linux isn't good enough yet. UX is all over the place.

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent [-]

> And no Linux isn't good enough yet. UX is all over the place.

Of course you'd think the UX is messy if you only look at the kernel ;)

It's up to the distributions and desktop/window managers to handle the UX, and the experience varies as much as there are desktop/window managers. Some of them are fairly internally consistent, like KDE and Gnome, and at least they're currently more internally consistent than Windows and macOS. I use macOS, Windows and Gnome daily, and the only one that doesn't give me daily grief in some manner, is Gnome.

stratts an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Ubuntu in 2026 is pretty much the same as Ubuntu from 2006.

Well, Ubuntu MATE perhaps :)

Windows LTSC I find comes pretty close to the less intrusive Windows I remember from the XP/7 era.

carlosjobim an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You forget about MacOS. And Apple are making some very aggressive moves as of lately to capture users.

schnitzelstoat an hour ago | parent [-]

MacOS is the same sort of walled garden as Windows though. It has plenty of dark patterns in stuff like iCloud too, I imagine with some more years of enshittification it will be in a similar state to Windows today.

carlosjobim an hour ago | parent [-]

And corporate customers like the French government will want their users to be within strictly controlled environments - walled gardens. That's why they've used Microsoft for so long. MacOS isn't as good for this scenario from what I understand, but is Linux?

dominicrose 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

IMO the walled garden doesn't have to be the employee's computer but centralized servers holding the data, intranet services, etc.

shevy-java an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At the least the french government has a plan. Now please have a look at Germany - the current leading guy is absolutely clueless as to what he wants to do. From appeasing Trump to ... actually doing what else? Germany with regards to its politicians is a problem for the EU. Yes, we also have Hungary etc... but it's a small country that is over-hyped by the media due to its intrinsic corruption in the leadership; the real problem really is Germany. In the past it always was "too much bureaucracy" - the problem goes much deeper. The THINKING process in Germany is broken. France, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Finland, Norway (not EU but clever nonetheless) and so forth, are much better at THINKING. Something is broken in Germany and Merz is the showcase of cluenessness here.

sgt 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That might work for government employees using webapps all day. But for power users it is unlikely to be friction free.

teekert an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I consider myself a Power User, use of Windows is not friction free :)

Over the years I've come to believe that there is only one thing important: What you are used to. The friction is in the change process. Not in the destination.

As an independent, I have several customers on MS365, you know what my super power is? FireFox cookie containers. One for each org, and I switch with 0 effort between the orgs. No need for Windows in that workflow at all. In fact, using Windows and the native apps would probably give me a lot more friction.

Yes, sometimes I have issues. I.e. yesterday Word kept deleting my last 1-2 sentences for some reason, even though hitting ctrl-s tells everytime: "I should not worry". but in general it's fine.

My business is on Proton, and I love that MS365 AND Google workspace calender invites go right into my agenda with no effort. There is nice stuff out there. Especially now we have Proton Meet, I can take some ownership over videocalls in Teams and Google Meet finally.

ghaff an hour ago | parent [-]

>What you are used to.

Absolutely. I've given using a tablet (with keyboard) as an alternative to a laptop when traveling and it sort of frustrates me for a lot of things. But talking to people I know who have largely switched over, my conclusion is that, in general, I probably mostly just haven't put the effort and commitment to make it worth it for me. And I'm not sure, not spending nearly as much time on planes as I used to, it's worth it relative to getting a laptop that is even lighter than the combination.

teekert 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

As part of the human species, which has conquered our planet's poles, its deserts and its jungles, I believe we are in a unique position to adapt to many -if not most- circumstances thrown our way, and flourish.

deaux 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unlike modern Windows, known for its lack of friction.

raverbashing an hour ago | parent [-]

"We have two versions of Outlook and none of them are working"

Topfi an hour ago | parent [-]

There are four ̶s̶i̶x̶ ̶(s̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ five counting the web version) maintained Outlook variants on Windows 11, last I checked and I have issues with each one. Search especially, but then that has remained an unsolved problem for 30 years. I am sure "AI" will finally solve this.

Edit: Have checked and found that two I thought were still maintained (16 and 19) were EOLd in October.

AussieWog93 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I feel like this is perfect being the enemy of good. So lets say only 80% of their staff can get off Windows and the remaining 20% need to remain on it. That's a great start!

Vespasian an hour ago | parent | next [-]

And you can require new custom software to be compatible and guarantee an initial market.

It's a strategic decision and of course it's not financially optimal.

And if in 20 years thered still a few windows computers around in their org that doesn't matter

jmclnx an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

And a recipe for failure. All 100% of their staff needs to be moved off of Windows at the same time.

A few years ago, IBM tried to move everyone to LibreOffice from M/S Office. It failed, the reason why was top level execs and some others were allowed to stay on M/S Office. As time went on, M/S Windows became a Status Symbol. So people went begging and as time went on exceptions were granted. A few even went so far as to buy their own copy, which was allowed.

After 8 months IBM gave up. If you want things like this to succeed, you must be 100% in.

astrobe_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's a negligible amount of "power users" among government employees; I think the majority of them are trained in reading and applying laws, and given the strong scientific/literary divide in the French culture, they usually think of themselves as inapt with computers (and the erratic behavior of MS products didn't help, if you ask me).

But knowing France, what to really worry about is execution, in particular for administrations. Probably people working there who read the TFA already think "oh, big mess incoming" even though they don't know what this "Linux" thing is.

I think standard IT/sysadmin training focuses mainly on Windows server etc., Linux being a second class citizen (because that's what the vast majority of small/mid sized businesses use). So recruiting good Linux sysadmins could be an issue, especially since the wages in government agencies are not exactly attractive.

palata an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you call yourself "power user" when your point is that switching away from Windows is too hard for you?

Topfi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Respectfully, so what? There have always be specific use cases and user bases requiring a specific OS. No one ever considered OpenBSD interchangeable with Windows, few see Linux distros as a 100% drop in replacement for someone relying on Logic Pro.

Thing is, I really don't get this knee jerk "but what about INSERT_RARE_EDGECASE". It isn't helpful and argues something no one actually working on these projects ever proposed. Even if MSFT software remains in use, any gained alternative is a win, license costs and strategic autonomy both being valuable.

And yes, as you hinted, a large contingent of clerical work may already happen in a browser, with any found exceptions potentially addressable in the coming years, especially as older implementation may be updated anyways.

Let's be honest, we all underestimate how much we (can) do solely inside the browser anyways and even more so severely misgauge how few people are reliant on any native (none Electron) software at all outside gaming.

Power user is such a nebulous term anyway. To me, someone spending hours on end in Confluence can be a power user, having never left the browser. The same for a designer using Figma. Course, if one truly requires native only software, they may more likely fall under the umbrella power user, but again, few are seriously discussing just forcing those over since, reasonably, one must presume they have a reason for doing what they are doing.

dubcanada an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What is a power user in this context? Someone deeply familiar with Windows and has tons of Windows related setup/applications?

That doesn't sound like a government worker... They rely on Microsoft Office, but the actual operating system could be anything. The only non-portable application is video games really. While LibreOffice may not have complete excel functionality, the vast majority of functionality can be replicated in web apps/libreoffice. And frankly most of this work can be migrated to AI.

You can even skin Linux to look exactly like Windows if you want, or use Mint or something. But really all people need is to be able to open up Chrome and Excel.

Topfi an hour ago | parent [-]

In fairness, the transition away from MSFT 365 Copilot (as we all of course call Office now) might include more friction. Mountainous VBasic monstrosities are sometimes the way things get done in orgs I am personally familiar with and that can be hard to switch away from. In general though, I consider this focusing on edge cases as just not helpful, especially as one must start a transition to fully uncover them and get to addressing them too. I also don't think that ancient Excel scripts are an unsolvable problem, but one that needs to be very carefully handled.

einr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sometimes organizations need to undertake work that is not friction free to achieve longer term goals.

iso1631 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm a power user and I've used linux for over 25 years. My corporate windows machine is total trash and completely unsuitable for any power users, either because its windows or because corporate locks it down so much it's barely more functional than a chromebook, I don't really care.

croes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Power Users faced the same problems when Office changed to ribbon menus. It doesn't has to be friction free.

realusername an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's also what Microsoft 365 is, a webapp, even the latest Outlook is a webapp.

sgt 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

Nobody in their right mind prefer the web apps over the native apps if they sit all day doing e.g spreadsheets. I tried the M365 web app for Word the other day and it's sluggish.

ForHackernews 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It doesn't have to be friction-free. The rough edges can be sanded down with government investment that addresses the needs of citizen-users.

cududa an hour ago | parent [-]

“Well, did it work for those people?”

“No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but……

…But it might work for us!”