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bertil 19 hours ago

The difference in moderation is night and day.

Soon after Musk took over, I started having accounts wishing me violent deaths, repeatedly commenting on everything I said with graphic details (broken bones, poisoning, dragging my body over the pavement, etc.). That happened occasionally before, but they typically got banned. After the takeover, those were gone (and my account got blocked a couple of times for quoting them).

That hasn’t happened after a year on BlueSky and Threads.

Scams were rampant on large accounts and people looking at cryptocurrencies: more than three-quarters of comments were obvious patterns that I had flagged dozens of times. I noticed those earlier today on Threads; let’s see if they reappear and make up most of the discourse there.

rcpt 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Right. After the pay-to-play change that boosted Blue Checks to the top of everything it became unusable. No better than going into the local news comment section or Craigslist discussion forums.

lupusreal 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Man, I wish I could be even a hundredth as effective at pissing people off online. I only piss off boring people I guess.

moomin 18 hours ago | parent [-]

A lot of the hate you get depends not on what you say, but what you are.

lupusreal 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

On the internet, I'm a dog.

Aeglaecia 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

the impact of existence on perception is mediated by group attitudes, which are lessened in influence by anonymity ... my personal maxim is that hatred does vary on what is said and more so by where it is said

stiltzkin 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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ipaddr 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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kevincrane 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What problem do you think they’re causing that would warrant death threats?

ipaddr 18 hours ago | parent [-]

What do I think someone could say over different platforms over a long time period of time that would get multiple death threats? I have no idea but would love for original poster to share more details.

mulmen 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Never had or seen a death threat. Ever wonder if you might be drawing all of that negative attention yourself. It's hard to admit that you might be the problem.

This is victim blaming. It’s wrong and it has no place here or anywhere.

ipaddr 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

First you need to identify a victim before you can come to their rescue. Is the parent poster a victim? Are the people he taunts into death threats his victims? Am I a victim of your verbal attack. Are you a victim because you read something and reacted?

mulmen 18 hours ago | parent [-]

You don’t know what the parent posted. I didn’t attack you.

You shared your own irrelevant experience which undermines the experience of being threatened. You then used that irrelevant experience to assume with no information that these threats were deserved.

You could have instead asked what was posted and then offered your advice if it was warranted. But what post or posts justify graphic death threats?

ipaddr 17 hours ago | parent [-]

If I felt you attack me doesn't that make me a victim based on your worldview. You tell me that my opinion is irrelevant because someone who you labelled a victim could be undermined then you do the same thing.

You can't have it both ways. You can be a hero saving a victim by creating more victims.

What posts justify graphic death threats? In a vacuum none. With context I could think of many examples including: Maybe he is posting death threats himself or perhaps committed a crime to a person in an identity we consider more of a victim.

Someone who punches somebody and when they hit them back that person is suddenly the victim? I'm not sure I see the world as black and white as that.

mulmen 17 hours ago | parent [-]

> If I felt you attack me doesn't that make me a victim based on your worldview.

No.

> You tell me that my opinion is irrelevant because someone who you labelled a victim could be undermined then you do the same thing.

I didn’t say your opinion is irrelevant. I said your experience of not receiving death threats is irrelevant to someone else’s experience of receiving death threats.

> You can't have it both ways. You can be a hero saving a victim by creating more victims.

I’m not a hero and I’m not saving anyone.

> Maybe he is posting death threats himself or perhaps committed a crime to a person in an identity we consider more of a victim.

There’s literally no justification for graphic death threats. You have no reason to believe either of those hypotheticals are real.

> Someone who punches somebody and when they hit them back that person is suddenly the victim? I'm not sure I see the world as black and white as that.

You are arguing with your own straw man.

StanislavPetrov 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The idea that you cannot possibly be at all responsible in any way for any of the bad things that happen to you is one of the most ridiculous assertions I come across on a regular basis. Are there cases where you bear 0% of the blame for what misfortune occurs? Of course! If someone shoots a gun up in the air from a mile away and the bullet comes screaming through the window and hits you, you bear no responsibility at all for being the "victim". But if you ride choose to ride the subway back and forth across the Bronx at 3 am every night with big gold chains visibly dangling around your neck, you absolutely deserve some of the blame for being the "victim" when you get mugged! It is incumbent upon every one of us to understand that when you engage with the environment and/or other people, that your words and actions have an influence and an effect. Responsibility is not a zero sum game. Just because the guy who mugs you bears 100% responsibility for being a violent criminal does not mean you are completely absolved from all responsibility after having exercise truly terrible judgement (or no judgement at all).

I am not familiar with the original OP, but anyone who goes around having interactions in a confrontational style should expect to be confronted, along with all of the other things that come along with confrontations. Pretending that none of us have any agency in any of the bad things that happen to us because we are "victims" is a silly trope that is far too common.

mulmen 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of course we can be responsible for bad things that happen to us. We might also not be responsible. Without knowledge of what was posted we can’t determine what is true in this case. But making the assumption that it is deserved is unreasonable.

> But if you ride choose to ride the subway back and forth across the Bronx at 3 am every night with big gold chains visibly dangling around your neck, you absolutely deserve some of the blame for being the "victim" when you get mugged!

Actually no, wearing gold chains and riding the subway are not crimes. This is just more victim blaming.

A better example would be the mugger is responsible for their subsequent arrest and imprisonment after mugging someone.

> I am not familiar with the original OP, but anyone who goes around having interactions in a confrontational style should expect to be confronted, along with all of the other things that come along with confrontations.

Right, you don’t know, so you’re just assuming that’s relevant here. You have no reason to believe graphic death threats were warranted. Personally I can’t imagine a post that would justify such death threats.

> Pretending that none of us have any agency in any of the bad things that happen to us because we are "victims" is a silly trope that is far too common.

Who is pretending this? You have fabricated this position.

jazzyjackson 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

  Come on ya'll now, let's be real
  Some jokers got a rough time keepin' it concealed
  I wonder what it mean, it's probably self-esteem
  They fiendin to be seen, get hemmed like Gabardines
  Cats think it can't happen until the gats start clappin
  They comin' down the wire spittin fire like a dragon
  Cause while the goods glisten, certain eyes take position
  To observe your trickin', then catch that ass slippin'
  Like, come on now ock, what you expect?
  Got a month's paycheck danglin' off your neck
  And while you Cristal sippin', they rubbin' up they mittens
  With heat in mint condition to start the getti-gettin'
transcriptase 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What the hell are you doing or saying to warrant that kind of negative attention?

mulmen 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That kind of attention is never warranted.

rsynnott 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I got some of this years back, by offending Milo Yiannopoulis (who apparently used to search his own name for stuff to point his followers at), back when he was still a far-right darling. Took about a day of mass-block-lists to weed the enraged Nazi teenagers out of my at-mentions.

That was just a single incident, being noticed by far-right weirdos thankfully not being a regular thing for me. But I can imagine it would get old quickly if you were the sort of person who was. Bluesky’s far superior self-moderation is absolutely very useful here.

xena 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's pretty easy to get that kind of vitriol if you say that you want people like you to continue existing.

ipaddr 18 hours ago | parent [-]

And you say this to people you label not like you. You probably have more in common than you think. You both agree to label the other and you decided to fight a proxy battle from the agreed among identities. Do you want the other side not to exist as well? If yes let them know.

virgildotcodes 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People defending themselves from bigotry, and bigots themselves, are not equivalent. Black people not wanting racists to exist, and racists not wanting black people to exist, do you see a distinction?

There has been such a consistent attempt at ramming square pegs into round holes online in trying to “both sides” a bunch of these issues.

One trait is immutable and the other is not.

One trait is entirely internally focused and is not defined by a rejection of anyone external to the subject, the other's trait is entirely defined by such an external focus on the rejection of another person's immutable identity.

ipaddr 15 hours ago | parent [-]

You guess racist? I had a different first guess. Then I had a better second guess. I then had a three and fourth guess. Then I wasn't sure at all. None of them were racism. This becomes a personality test that speaks about who you are and what battles you always see.

virgildotcodes 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Substitute homosexuality, being transgender, or whatever you'd like.

ipaddr 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Try words you may not like too like right wing or Trump supporter. Still work?

virgildotcodes 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Being a right wing trump supporter is an immutable characteristic like being black or gay?

ipaddr 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I support the concept of gender fluidity. Yes not everyone is hardwired as gay or straight or bisexual.

Being black.. is that referring to skin tone because people can slightly change their color and many products exist to lighten and darken skin tone. Or identifying from black culture in this case you can be white or black or something else and still identify.

People can't change height either. Why you jumped to race tells us what your focus is.

Why not Palestine / Jewish? It equally describes both depending on what your point of view is.

virgildotcodes 4 hours ago | parent [-]

This seems like word salad, are you sure you’re continuing to argue all this in good faith?

You’re now saying that medical procedures can change your skin pigmentation, so race is no longer immutable? You genuinely hold this position?

Is everything mutable then? Since with the right surgical and drug interventions you can theoretically change anything about a person’s mind or body, which trivially includes their height.

Wow, truly this is deep.

If there are short/tall people who are being targeted for harassment/oppression then yes they too are in the right to wish that heightists/heightism didn’t exist and their harassers are in the wrong.

What are we even talking about here?

ipaddr 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Everything is mutable.

madeofpalk 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Let’s not pretend the disagreement is about fiscal policy.

ipaddr 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Lets pretend we know what the disagreement is about. What's your guess?

kevincrane 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

lol I don’t want the bigots and people sending death threats to exist, I’ll stand on a soapbox and say that

ipaddr 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Your guess is bigots. Care to provide more details. Racism or a broader bigot definition?

kevincrane 14 hours ago | parent [-]

I’ll be honest, I have better things to do with my time then help you narrow down your personal definition of bigot. Sorry.

ipaddr 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I haven't heard that word since the 70s. It's outdate like 'to the moon Alice'. What were you trying to convey with that word?