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> Never had or seen a death threat. Ever wonder if you might be drawing all of that negative attention yourself. It's hard to admit that you might be the problem.

This is victim blaming. It’s wrong and it has no place here or anywhere.

▲ ipaddr 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

First you need to identify a victim before you can come to their rescue. Is the parent poster a victim? Are the people he taunts into death threats his victims? Am I a victim of your verbal attack. Are you a victim because you read something and reacted?

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mulmen 18 hours ago | parent [-]

You don’t know what the parent posted. I didn’t attack you.

You shared your own irrelevant experience which undermines the experience of being threatened. You then used that irrelevant experience to assume with no information that these threats were deserved.

You could have instead asked what was posted and then offered your advice if it was warranted. But what post or posts justify graphic death threats?

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ipaddr 17 hours ago | parent [-]

If I felt you attack me doesn't that make me a victim based on your worldview. You tell me that my opinion is irrelevant because someone who you labelled a victim could be undermined then you do the same thing.

You can't have it both ways. You can be a hero saving a victim by creating more victims.

What posts justify graphic death threats? In a vacuum none. With context I could think of many examples including: Maybe he is posting death threats himself or perhaps committed a crime to a person in an identity we consider more of a victim.

Someone who punches somebody and when they hit them back that person is suddenly the victim? I'm not sure I see the world as black and white as that.

	▲	mulmen 17 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> If I felt you attack me doesn't that make me a victim based on your worldview. No. > You tell me that my opinion is irrelevant because someone who you labelled a victim could be undermined then you do the same thing. I didn’t say your opinion is irrelevant. I said your experience of not receiving death threats is irrelevant to someone else’s experience of receiving death threats. > You can't have it both ways. You can be a hero saving a victim by creating more victims. I’m not a hero and I’m not saving anyone. > Maybe he is posting death threats himself or perhaps committed a crime to a person in an identity we consider more of a victim. There’s literally no justification for graphic death threats. You have no reason to believe either of those hypotheticals are real. > Someone who punches somebody and when they hit them back that person is suddenly the victim? I'm not sure I see the world as black and white as that. You are arguing with your own straw man.

▲ StanislavPetrov 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The idea that you cannot possibly be at all responsible in any way for any of the bad things that happen to you is one of the most ridiculous assertions I come across on a regular basis. Are there cases where you bear 0% of the blame for what misfortune occurs? Of course! If someone shoots a gun up in the air from a mile away and the bullet comes screaming through the window and hits you, you bear no responsibility at all for being the "victim". But if you ride choose to ride the subway back and forth across the Bronx at 3 am every night with big gold chains visibly dangling around your neck, you absolutely deserve some of the blame for being the "victim" when you get mugged! It is incumbent upon every one of us to understand that when you engage with the environment and/or other people, that your words and actions have an influence and an effect. Responsibility is not a zero sum game. Just because the guy who mugs you bears 100% responsibility for being a violent criminal does not mean you are completely absolved from all responsibility after having exercise truly terrible judgement (or no judgement at all).

I am not familiar with the original OP, but anyone who goes around having interactions in a confrontational style should expect to be confronted, along with all of the other things that come along with confrontations. Pretending that none of us have any agency in any of the bad things that happen to us because we are "victims" is a silly trope that is far too common.

	▲	mulmen 17 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Of course we can be responsible for bad things that happen to us. We might also not be responsible. Without knowledge of what was posted we can’t determine what is true in this case. But making the assumption that it is deserved is unreasonable. > But if you ride choose to ride the subway back and forth across the Bronx at 3 am every night with big gold chains visibly dangling around your neck, you absolutely deserve some of the blame for being the "victim" when you get mugged! Actually no, wearing gold chains and riding the subway are not crimes. This is just more victim blaming. A better example would be the mugger is responsible for their subsequent arrest and imprisonment after mugging someone. > I am not familiar with the original OP, but anyone who goes around having interactions in a confrontational style should expect to be confronted, along with all of the other things that come along with confrontations. Right, you don’t know, so you’re just assuming that’s relevant here. You have no reason to believe graphic death threats were warranted. Personally I can’t imagine a post that would justify such death threats. > Pretending that none of us have any agency in any of the bad things that happen to us because we are "victims" is a silly trope that is far too common. Who is pretending this? You have fabricated this position.
	▲	jazzyjackson 15 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Come on ya'll now, let's be real Some jokers got a rough time keepin' it concealed I wonder what it mean, it's probably self-esteem They fiendin to be seen, get hemmed like Gabardines Cats think it can't happen until the gats start clappin They comin' down the wire spittin fire like a dragon Cause while the goods glisten, certain eyes take position To observe your trickin', then catch that ass slippin' Like, come on now ock, what you expect? Got a month's paycheck danglin' off your neck And while you Cristal sippin', they rubbin' up they mittens With heat in mint condition to start the getti-gettin'