| ▲ | happytoexplain 19 hours ago |
| I'm 40, and I am not suicidal, but I've definitely felt those thoughts more than ever in my life in the past two years. I wake up two or three times every night from anxiety dreams. I began drinking too much, but luckily I was able to get out of that habit. Between (some of) the effects of AI on my career and hobbies, and the effects of politics on my country and even my own town, and many more problems, I can count more things I feel love and passion for that have been demeaned or destroyed in the past decade than such things that persist. And this isn't even to mention money, and what my future is looking like, despite having every possible intrinsic and external advantage in The Greatest Country on Earth. I've had one same-aged friend kill themselves, and I try to be attentive to the signals being put out by everybody in my circle. |
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| ▲ | specproc 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > I began drinking too much, but luckily I was able to get out of that habit. Alcohol is incredibly dangerous after 40, particularly if you've got a history as a heavy drinker. I've had to cut back to virtually nothing as it's guaranteed to trigger anxiety and depressive episodes. Almost all the premature deaths in my circle, including suicides, have been alcohol-linked. Obviously, YMMV, everyone's different, but if anyone reading this thread is over 40, struggling, and still drinking regularly, taking a break can really help. |
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| ▲ | talon8635 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, not taking a break, but stopping. I am very glad I ripped that bandaid off over a decade ago. But success for people with a genuine problem is stopping, not taking a break | | |
| ▲ | tanseydavid 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I celebrated 20 years since my last drink on Monday of this week. People who want to drink--should drink. People who don't want to drink but find that they keep doing it anyway, might want to check out what AA has to offer. It worked for me when nothing else did. | | | |
| ▲ | genghisjahn 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I switched to NA beer so that when I did decide to “have a few” it would be a rare occasion. Then I realized that NA beer was doing it for me and I haven’t gone back. It’s not for everyone but it worked for me. | | |
| ▲ | talon8635 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I do enjoy NAs too, and we are blessed with a booming market these days! But I do know some alcoholics that say they can’t even taste the stuff or it will trigger them. So to each their own |
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| ▲ | scruple 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I quit 2 years ago. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze. Sad, to think at one time I almost opened a brewery. And it's bad for you, yes, and that's why I quit, it was fucking with my sleep horribly, but also it's such a drain on your finances today. And given the state of things today, I'm glad I quit when I did. Saving a grand a year isn't a lot but that money is much better off being spent in a different way. | | |
| ▲ | talon8635 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I wanted to open a brewery too! I now realize it was probably just fuel for my addiction, though I do genuinely love the flavors of modern craft beers (which have come a long way). But not nearly as much as I love a stable life lol | | |
| ▲ | scruple 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was homebrewing for years in the late 00s and early 10s. At the time I was living in Santa Barbara, and there was a great community there, the Santa Barbeerians, and it was a lot of fun. At the same time I was roasting my own coffee beans and really into coffee. My wife and I floated the idea of opening a place with another couple but it never panned out. Anyway I don't disagree, in retrospect it was all a way to drink more beer in different styles than I could readily get from a store. It's easy to justify in the moment but having many gallons of beer around all of the time is dangerous... |
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| ▲ | specproc 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Fair, stopping better. It's a tough thing for many to imagine though. It took a break for me to understand I needed to do more. |
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| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’ve lost a lot of my spark in the past 6 years as well. So much has happened that it’s impossible to pinpoint one root cause, it’s all contributing. Don’t know if you’re soliciting advice, but there are a few things that keep me feeling the way I did before: physical exercise, and live music. Unfortunately I find less time as the week goes by to dedicate to those things, but I at least know they’re there. Therapeutic writing that out loud, in a way. |
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| ▲ | lightandlight 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I've lost a lot of my spark in the past 6 years as well. I felt similarly and had a "crisis" point at the start of 2025. I realised that living a fulfilling life had to become my top priority, no matter how difficult or uncomfortable it may seem. Otherwise, I might not survive another 30 years. Now I can see a bit of the mechanism behind the dimming of the spark. I had gradually conceded the direction of my life to external forces, and let anxiety and self-doubt drive my decisions. It's a great way to end up with a life that you don't want. I shudder to think of what it's like to do that for 20 years instead of 5. | |
| ▲ | scruple 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not to be a downer. It is therapeutic, and I exercise 5-6 times per week between strength and conditioning, but it's not enough. It's a short distraction, it helps me temporarily. The truth is there's something very wrong with the world today and the pressure we're all feeling, speaking personally here, leaves me feel like I'm ready to crack constantly. But I have a wife and kids and elderly parents, and they all depend on me so I need to keep holding it together. Somehow. | |
| ▲ | ingvay7 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ive also been trying to find my mojo back especially the last few years.I do get major spurts of massive productivity and optimism like an unplanned incident that i try to analyze later to recapture but it crashes back into the usual with pessimism about the future. I've noticed publishing non-AI assisted writing (even without an audience) helps. |
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| ▲ | breadloser 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm 41. My youngest brother blew his brains out in July. My other brother has cut himself twice. I quit my job as an EMT because I'm in no mood to transport SI patients. I needed a job on short notice to keep making my mortgage payments, so now I'm breaking my body 50-60 hrs/wk pouring concrete with the Amish. And it doesn't even cover the bills. I can't afford health insurance, let alone health care. 0 sick days, 0 vacation time, $0 leisure spending. Credit card debt ticks up each month. Retirement savings is a pipe dream. How could I conscionably attempt a family under these conditions? I'd never have time to be a part of it and would be plagued by the guilt of not being able to provide. But hey, I'm told to feel lucky I managed to lock in a 30-year mortgage at 5.99%: If I'm diligent paying on it until I've got a foot in the grave, selling the house might pay for end-of-life care! |
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| ▲ | falsaberN1 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| AI hasn't made a dent in my enjoyment of my hobbies and tech (the opposite, now I have more toys to play with than ever), but politics? Oh man, politics becoming the new religion has absolutely ruined pretty much everything for me. I don't believe in politics. For me left and right are all *the same*. Just a bunch of megalomaniacs wanting to hog power for themselves. This extremely hot take has made people call me more names and costed me more relationships than if I went out and started screaming slurs in a crowded street. Because I am a "fence sitter" or whatever. And I just can't handle it anymore, I just went full recluse. I don't go into social media anymore, I don't talk to anyone at a personal level anymore. Outside of some github issues and some comments here, I don't touch socials anymore. I am just overwhelmed by the level of vitriol and hate the new internet is based on. |
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| ▲ | nsingh2 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't know how sincere this comment is, but if there are others thinking this way, it's a mistake. Nihilism is a dead end (or political cynicism/fatalism, whatever you want to call it). Social media is a veil of manipulation, engagement maximization, and bots. Do not misconstrue it as any kind of real or productive politics. There is a signal there amongst the noise, but it's hard to make sense of if you do not have a coherent world model or belief system. You have to learn to cut through it if you want to keep your sanity. | | |
| ▲ | falsaberN1 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Read my other comment in the thread. Why would I post a non-sincere comment on this anyway? My belief is that all of us, no matter our gender, religion, age or social standing, are prey for the political and "elite" class. And not only we aren't holding them accountable, we are fighting their fights for them in several fields of our lives in form of "political discourse". My country has a very serious housing crisis, both the left and the right are contributing to it because both parties have multiple people who are "serial landlords" with several properties, so they only make laws that benefit the landlord. This is a known fact and there are huge protests ongoing about it to the point emergency elections have been called. Yet, saying this simple stance just as I did now, that both of them are guilty, will have people call you an "ultra" or call you a conspiracy theorist, that you are a fence sitter, that you don't know what you are talking about, and so and so on. Like you have some ulterior motive or are a paid shill from the other side or making the logic leap to thinking you support the far-right for not choosing one of the two existing "teams". Everything has gone crazy. | | |
| ▲ | nsingh2 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Read my other comment in the thread. Why would I post a non-sincere comment on this anyway? HN is social media, saner than most, but I still don't assume sincerity. > Yet, saying this simple stance just as I did now, that both of them are guilty, will have people call you an "ultra" or call you a conspiracy theorist, that you are a fence sitter, that you don't know what you are talking about, and so and so on. If you mean people online, then that's expected. It's what I meant by social media being unproductive. Hostility attracts engagement and makes it more visible. National politics is heavily influenced by economic interests, including global capital. And as wealth concentrates so does political power. That doesn't mean ordinary citizens have no political agency though, don't underestimate the difference you can make in your local community. | | |
| ▲ | falsaberN1 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Mostly online yes, but even offline people have been in a very strange edge lately. Like, if you don't take a stance to one of the two main political parties in my country, that means you support the third option which is a far-right party. If any of the members of that party bumped me on the street I wouldn't recognize them. Anyway, once that implication is on the table people start assuming (and saying behind your back) very ugly things about you very fast, which is why I started disengaging. My heart is with the people, not the corporations or the elites. I just feel none of the choices right now is for the people. I don't understand why that would make me "hate LGBT people or migrants". It just doesn't make sense to me. The team mentality of the whole thing has gone too far in my opinion. And I don't understand why people get so heated up for groups that don't care about them at the end of the day. I don't even think I'll be alive to see another election after the emergency one next month though. So it's too late for me to make any meaningful change. So I'm just trying to use my remaining time to leave a bit of a legacy as an artist and programmer. Even if I enjoy AI. One thing doesn't cancel the other. I do mostly analog art and even have been pretty excited to try new tools now that my hand works again (surgeries obliterated my hands for a while and they are permanently blue-ish and cold now, but I regained some mobility this month). AI is for me "that thing I wanted since I was a kid when scifi had AIs doing stuff". In fact, that whole thing is also another can of worms. People can't seem to understand I can be an artist AND enjoy AI. The moment I mention AI people start assuming I flood the world with slop and want to destroy artists, then they ask for proof that I'm an artist, I show them my work (impossible for an AI to replicate because it's mostly analog), they go "but if you can draw like this why do you use AI!?? You should hate it because it's against you" and they can't conceive that for me it's just fun to tinker with it and test what it can do for fun. Like I should immediately take an anti-AI stance BECAUSE I am an artist. The AI is not replacing me because for me art is a form of expression and doing it is its own reward. It's just fun. Both things are fun to me. I don't see why they are exclusive. It's like there's no room for human nuance and contradictions anymore. You have to be in a neat little box or else you are a bad person so it's right to fight you and hurt you. It's "justified", you know. Even if they are completely wrong, they already passed judgement. |
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| ▲ | collingreen 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think most folks are actually in the middle and generally agree. Anyone who thinks one of the us political parties is completely innocent is lying, either to you or themselves. That being said, I think it's worth noticing if one party does more bad things than the other and I also think speaking up with your values is worth it and maybe even a duty we owe the people who built this country before us. Either way, your first responsibility is your own mental health so you have full support from this internet stranger. | | |
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| ▲ | conductr 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Idk. The thing with politics is I see the bat shit crazy stuff that social promotes then I see it almost verbatim when I’m out and about IRL. Family members post absolute vitriol online. Then they want to make sure you read it and agree with them at thanksgiving dinner. Any type if civil discussion of differing views instantly devolves into name calling and insults. Weird times. | |
| ▲ | Barrin92 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Nihilism is a dead end (or political cynicism/fatalism, whatever you want to call it). Nihilism is a popular, vague pejorative today but philosophically it's a serious answer to exactly the manipulation, engagement-bait and juvenile techno-optimism of our age. Whenever you're at the end of some moral or social period active, not resentful or passive nihilism, is a palate cleanser and necessary condition for revaluation of all values. The kind of middle aged men that tend to fall into despair or suicide in these times are usually people who rely on some identity provided to them that then crumbles. Job, money, house, status, 'how to be a man' etc. There's something they're supposed to be like and they're not, stability they took for granted just stops. And we're in a period like this across many dimensions, political, technological etc. And if you want to be sane a dose of nihilism is fairly important so that you can go on and construct some sovereign answers to all these issues. | | |
| ▲ | nsingh2 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | > not resentful or passive nihilism To be more precise, it was passive nihilism I was criticizing. That's the sentiment I sensed in the original comment. |
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| ▲ | TGower 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For what it's worth I completely agree with you. Engaging in politics is a complete waste of time, unless you happen to have a platform with enough reach to influence a meaningful number of people. Unfortunately, almost all of the communication you will see comes from people with such a platform, and boy do they want to convince you to vote like them. Once the political climate is polarized enough, choosing to not engage in the discussion about how evil the other team is will get you lumped right in, because if the other team really is evil and you don't care, then you must be pretty bad yourself. The "Oh, but it's your civic duty to improve your community/state/nation (which obviously means voting the way I want you to, not the way the other half the country wants you to)" tries to frame political engagement as some moral good, but if they redirected the time and energy from political engagement to working at McDonalds and funding charity with the paycheck they would have 1000x the impact, even if you assume there is a Good and Evil team and they are on the Good team. | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It’s a nice luxury to be able to ignore politics. There are people in some places who would be imprisoned or killed if the wrong political party came into power. A major political party in my country would love to find a way to deport half of my family if they could and split us up forever. I wish I could ignore politics and just stay neutral. "Chi tace acconsente" (he who is silent says yes) |
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| ▲ | talon8635 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Same, in many senses. But you can’t fully detach from humanity without losing your own humanity. Forget socials, and pretty much all media consumption, but go talk to real people, make friends, find an human partner. Even raise a family. | | |
| ▲ | falsaberN1 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sadly I can't raise a family. This January I got a pretty bad brush with death and got diagnosed with something pretty bad and I don't have a lot left. After 5 high-risk surgeries (because of the medication making me bleed too much) I finally regained some autonomy and can move again, but I can't have kids. My bloodline ends with me, and it's better this way because this is hereditary and gets worse every generation. My kids would die at ~20 if lucky, according to the doctors. Even knowing this, people around me still called me all sorts of things for not having strong opinions on random political things or wars. How can I worry about that when I am going to die soon anyway? Got enough in my plate to think about global politics. | | |
| ▲ | talon8635 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Jeez, in so sorry to hear that. I personally know multiple people who’ve far exceeded their “you have X time to live”, but in any case live life as best you see fit for happiness and contentment. Spend time with people you love and ignore all the bullshit that stresses us out. Best of luck my friend | | |
| ▲ | falsaberN1 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sadly, all my loved ones are already gone from the same illness, so I'm afraid I can't take your advice. All I got left is a couple online friends, my job (of which I've been away for too long due to the surgeries...) and my computers. I'm trying to make the most of what time I got left doing coding and art, now that my hands kinda work again. I found a box of very cool quality markers when I could finally get out and been practicing with them. I was always a color pencil/watercolors guy, but this is pretty cool. Since I enjoy drawing robots and vehicles a lot I've been combining them with metallic markers for very cool effects. I am also learning how to do more physical electronics tinkering and getting better with a soldering iron at last, repairing old stuff and so. I also enjoy the new wave of AI stuff. It took a while but I finally got a little robot buddy like in scifi when I was little. Full offline. It's kind of a dum-dum, but mostly works! Unfortunately it's such a negative thing outside of places like HN that I can't share that joy with most people. Also a lot of people can't seem to wrap their head around an artist that enjoys AI, as I mentioned in another post in the thread. I have to shut up about it pretty much everywhere. Anyway, I digress...thank you. |
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| ▲ | TFNA 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Go talk to real people" is easier said than done post-Covid. I'm in a European university city where even young people are complaining online of a dearth of opportunities for in-person socializing -- there is a good amount of cultural events and cafes to go out to every night, but it has become taboo to talk to strangers there even among young people, and a single middle-aged man's attempts to socialize anywhere would not be welcomed. Even people attending the remaining hobby meetups are finding merely practice of the hobby, but not any meaningful social contact alongside it. Social media is poison, sure, but detaching from it doesn't mean you can get an IRL social life to replace it. | | |
| ▲ | talon8635 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Talk to older people then. I am not “young” but I still find it easier to talk to people older than myself (retirees on up to senior geriatrics) |
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| ▲ | rc5150 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Encouraging people to procreate is absolutely wild to me. That's just adding fuel to the fire. |
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| ▲ | hangrybear666 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yo I'm also strictly apolitical and never had an issue with relationships or social circles, I just tell everyone I meet that "I do not talk politics, because maintaining my mental health is a full time job without putting the weight of the entire country/world onto my shoulders in addition" and so far they've all understood. The radicals who wouldn't understand I just say goodbye to, but this hasn't happened yet. | |
| ▲ | mym1990 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a bait comment because any push back will just re-affirm your stance and I don’t know if you’ll find much agreement here otherwise. Millions of people died in WWII defending against ideas that are actively being brought by a clear side. FWIW it’s not that hard to be a fence sitter and not advertise it to everyone. It sounds like either you’re hanging with the wrong people, or you’re the problem. I guess go back to playing with your toys! I know friends and family with many kinds of beliefs, we don’t rehash why they believe those things every time we see each other. Humans are complex /shrug | | |
| ▲ | falsaberN1 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You just proved my point. "This is a bait comment". Shame on you. | | |
| ▲ | mym1990 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As I said, maybe I should be a fortune teller! | |
| ▲ | CamperBob2 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I voted you both up, because you're both right. Those who aren't dying before their time have an obligation to their future selves to make things better. Unfortunately it sounds as if you have a good excuse to begin letting go of worldly concerns, but the truth is, only the worst people benefit if the rest of us adopt an apolitical perspective. See my other post in this thread, for example, replying to a Ukrainian who's finding that people he thought could be counted on can't be. As I suggested obliquely in that post, this is because one-third of our electorate is either brainwashed or malicious, one-third is willing to do what we can, and one-third can't be bothered to care either way. | | |
| ▲ | mym1990 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I can respect this view point! I don’t really get fired up against fence sitters, I understand not wanting to be part of the mess. …but at the same time OP seems to have lost all social life and has become a recluse because of it? That is an interesting outcome and one that sounds to have more to it. |
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| ▲ | instakill 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is an unbelievably atrocious response. Where is your humanity? | | |
| ▲ | mym1990 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I guess some explanation on why you think it’s an atrocious response would be a good start. |
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| ▲ | qwertyuiop_ 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Our brains are constantly bombarded with ever growing information and noise. With mindfulness, deliberate separation from most of the daily noise we can all zero in our own purposes in life. This hard, doesn’t happen overnight but with little steps and a lot of patience we will find that eventual purpose. And you find it hang on to it. I found reading the New Testament brings me instant peace when my brain is in turmoil.
Hang in there strong with spiritual closeness, removing noise and avoiding those negative thoughts. |
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| ▲ | malfist 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You know, I don't think Jesus cures depression | | |
| ▲ | dvt 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's ironic that the "acktually.." atheist/anti-theist crowd don't do a modicum of research when it comes to this kind of stuff. It's pretty well-established in the literature that folks plugged into a religious community live better, happier, and healthier lives[1]. Millenial cynicism is so boring. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5127763/ | | |
| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > folks plugged into a religious community live better, happier, and healthier lives Could be: > folks plugged into a community live better, happier, and healthier lives Or even > folks with a weekly routine in a third space live better, … There’s nothing causational about the denomination. | | |
| ▲ | darth_avocado 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > folks plugged into a community live better, happier, and healthier lives It is this mainly. Community is the reason most people find happiness. Some people find it at church, some on a Sunday at a football game, some at their dnd game that’s being going on for years and some find it in their family. I am not particularly religious but I am 100% onboard the idea that community brings happiness. I find happiness in just having good neighbors. | |
| ▲ | someothherguyy 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ... or people who attend religious services are less likely to self-report depression because of perceived weakness, shame, etc | |
| ▲ | dvt 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > There’s nothing causational about the denomination. You're right, I'm sure the people that are publishing these studies have never heard of "correlation is not causation." | | |
| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can’t wait for them to test why specific denominations have a positive causal impact on wellbeing over others. Mormons, Jehovas Witnesses, Southern Baptists, etc. While we’re being snarky, should we talk about the people who are arbitrarily and capriciously removed from these communities during times when they need them most? Like women seeking divorce in abusive relationships while in a denomination that preaches absolute subservience to the male head of household? | |
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| ▲ | malfist 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tell that to the gay kid who lived through god hates fags. Or the trans person today. | | |
| ▲ | mns 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's funny that exactly like those religious extremists and other extremists that associate any kind of queer person to the boogieman that tried to convert your kids and have depraved sex parades on the street, it's exactly the same attitude with people demonising any kind of religious person, as if all are the same. We all humans are the same, it's just who and what we hate and appreciate that differs. | |
| ▲ | robotnikman 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Speaking as a gay dude, it doesn't mean you have to follow a mainstream religion to find spirituality, especially one which tells you that you are an evil person because of who you are. Personally I've taken bits of various eastern religious beliefs which now form my 'spirituality'. It's weird, its like there is some part of our mind that requires something spiritual to fill it, and has been that way every since recorded history. People have always looked for something higher than themselves, whether is be a god or gods, or the idea of nature or the universe, or any matter of similar ideas. And filling that part of our minds with a belief in something, seems to put the mind at ease in some ways. A lot of medical literature I've read includes 3 parts of yourself that you need to take care of: mind, body and spirit. So I really do believe there is something behind it. | | |
| ▲ | smackeyacky 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just so you know, that feeling of your brain requiring spirituality to fill it is by no means universal. | | |
| ▲ | margorczynski 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It mostly is. Just that "spiritual" doesn't automatically mean something mythical like God. It can be politics, astrology, social justice, philosophy, etc. Something that we think is very important to us and the World and bigger than us. | | |
| ▲ | smackeyacky 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That is a very odd definition of “spiritual” | |
| ▲ | malfist 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How do you define spirituality such that it includes politics? | | |
| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Have you not noticed the fervor with which acolytes of each 'side' preach the gospel according to their respective messiah? One can easily see similarities between sports and politics and you can't see those between religion and politics? | | |
| ▲ | malfist 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I see dogmatism, I don't see religion. They're not the same thing. Otherwise, you could say my religion is BBQ because I'm always telling my friends about a smoke I just did. | | |
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| ▲ | someothherguyy 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | teensy effect size according to some https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10508619.2020.17... > Of eight R/S predictors that were distinguished, only participation in public religious activities and importance of religion were significantly related to mental health | |
| ▲ | jwilber 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What does this have to do with millennials? | |
| ▲ | stackghost 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That study you linked does not establish a causal relationship. It may simply be that the sort of person who is able to extract well-being from church is the sort of person more likely to actually attend church with any regularity. It likewise does not address the possibility that depression itself might make one want to stop attending church. >Millenial cynicism is so boring Yeah, it's always Millennials who are in the wrong. Fuck us, right? It's all good, we're used to being the scapegoats for society's problems. | | |
| ▲ | phainopepla2 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm a millennial and I feel like nearly all the discourse about who is (generationally) responsible for society's problems is aimed at the boomers. And the zoomers to a lesser extent, though that seems more of a prophecy about how they're going to ruin society. Jabs aimed at us millennials tend to be that we're cringe (or boring), which I can accept. |
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| ▲ | happytoexplain 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In my opinion, this is a form of hatred. |
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| ▲ | sheepscreek 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | To each their own. I don’t think we should judge anyone on where they find their faith, that is, the drive to keep going on. Everyone is different. Person A might find it in nature, camping, trailing, etc. Person B might pursue a more spiritual path, giving back to the community, being of service. Whatever floats the boat man. Live and let live. | |
| ▲ | wing-_-nuts 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not religious, but also not disputing that believers have lower rates of depression either. Believing in a higher power has seemed to provide great comfort to a number of friends and family over the years. I went to a friend's father's funeral a while back, and I had to admit, the service, the way the community came together was moving, and it really made me question whether I should return to the church as an adult, even with my questions of faith. | |
| ▲ | amelius 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The problem is that humans evolved to be religious, and you can't just ignore that and get rid of it in a generation or two. It is in our brains and we have to live with it somehow. So from that perspective ... maybe Jesus does cure depression. | | |
| ▲ | drsnow 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Humans most certainly did not evolve to be religious. We evolved to look for and, if necessary (to our minds), invent meanings behind things which sometimes have truly no meaning at all, i.e. the existence of existence itself. We also evolved to be fearful of the unknown, e.g. the experience of death and afterward. It seems quite simple to see how those two things resulted in our eventual invention of religion, but we did not simply evolve to be religious per se. | | |
| ▲ | amelius 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not saying that every possible path of evolution leads to religion, only that ours did. | | |
| ▲ | tortasaur 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | By that logic, you may as well say evolution led to TikTok. "Religion taps into human psychology" seems more accurate. | | |
| ▲ | amelius 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | But what does that rephrasing change about the overall argument? |
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| ▲ | LouisSayers 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Except some of us consider ourselves to be quite evolved, not religious, AND absent of depression. Maybe depression (or the lack thereof) has nothing to do with religion at all. | | |
| ▲ | amelius 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you're trying to establish if X is a cure for Y, then looking at people who don't have Y will not tell you much. | |
| ▲ | account42 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Anti-religion aka the religion of Scienc(TM) is still a religion. | | |
| ▲ | malfist 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just because you call something a religion doesn't mean it is. There is no such thing as "religion of science" | | |
| ▲ | tortasaur 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | For some people, it is. There is a segment of non-religious people who do treat the current scientific consensus as gospel and moralize adherence with typical religious in-group/out-group dynamics, despite not really understanding or engaging with any of the actual material. I disagree that relying on scientific consensus is inherently religious, though. | | |
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| ▲ | Toslink 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | buddhistdude 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | He said something about moths and rust consuming matter and with that at the very least he pointed out quite clearly the source of our suffering in regards to the AI transformation | |
| ▲ | hax0ron3 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't know about Jesus curing depression, but it's certainly true that belief in Jesus has made many people feel better. | |
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| ▲ | SCUDhunter 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Excellent advice | |
| ▲ | bossyTeacher 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I found reading the New Testament brings me instant peace when my brain is in turmoil I wonder if the Old Testament gives you the same effect | |
| ▲ | luqtas 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | jimbokun 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | THAT is your take away from the teachings of Jesus? | | |
| ▲ | luqtas 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | should i also mention that people who funded their religion hunted jews searching for the holy grail and were present at one if not the biggest holocaust of human history (the colonization of America, between 1500 and 1600, which killed from 25 to 100 million people) | | |
| ▲ | jimbokun 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh yes, those people were clearly acting out the precise instructions of Jesus as laid out in the Gospels. | | |
| ▲ | pcdevils 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, it's silly to judge those highly religious people.
Maybe we can judge the religion on the work of the Papacy... Though that doesn't give great results either
They definitely misread "let the little children come to me" |
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