| ▲ | malfist 20 hours ago |
| You know, I don't think Jesus cures depression |
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| ▲ | dvt 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's ironic that the "acktually.." atheist/anti-theist crowd don't do a modicum of research when it comes to this kind of stuff. It's pretty well-established in the literature that folks plugged into a religious community live better, happier, and healthier lives[1]. Millenial cynicism is so boring. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5127763/ |
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| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > folks plugged into a religious community live better, happier, and healthier lives Could be: > folks plugged into a community live better, happier, and healthier lives Or even > folks with a weekly routine in a third space live better, … There’s nothing causational about the denomination. | | |
| ▲ | darth_avocado 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > folks plugged into a community live better, happier, and healthier lives It is this mainly. Community is the reason most people find happiness. Some people find it at church, some on a Sunday at a football game, some at their dnd game that’s being going on for years and some find it in their family. I am not particularly religious but I am 100% onboard the idea that community brings happiness. I find happiness in just having good neighbors. | |
| ▲ | someothherguyy 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ... or people who attend religious services are less likely to self-report depression because of perceived weakness, shame, etc | |
| ▲ | dvt 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > There’s nothing causational about the denomination. You're right, I'm sure the people that are publishing these studies have never heard of "correlation is not causation." | | |
| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can’t wait for them to test why specific denominations have a positive causal impact on wellbeing over others. Mormons, Jehovas Witnesses, Southern Baptists, etc. While we’re being snarky, should we talk about the people who are arbitrarily and capriciously removed from these communities during times when they need them most? Like women seeking divorce in abusive relationships while in a denomination that preaches absolute subservience to the male head of household? | |
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| ▲ | malfist 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tell that to the gay kid who lived through god hates fags. Or the trans person today. | | |
| ▲ | mns 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's funny that exactly like those religious extremists and other extremists that associate any kind of queer person to the boogieman that tried to convert your kids and have depraved sex parades on the street, it's exactly the same attitude with people demonising any kind of religious person, as if all are the same. We all humans are the same, it's just who and what we hate and appreciate that differs. | |
| ▲ | robotnikman 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Speaking as a gay dude, it doesn't mean you have to follow a mainstream religion to find spirituality, especially one which tells you that you are an evil person because of who you are. Personally I've taken bits of various eastern religious beliefs which now form my 'spirituality'. It's weird, its like there is some part of our mind that requires something spiritual to fill it, and has been that way every since recorded history. People have always looked for something higher than themselves, whether is be a god or gods, or the idea of nature or the universe, or any matter of similar ideas. And filling that part of our minds with a belief in something, seems to put the mind at ease in some ways. A lot of medical literature I've read includes 3 parts of yourself that you need to take care of: mind, body and spirit. So I really do believe there is something behind it. | | |
| ▲ | smackeyacky 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just so you know, that feeling of your brain requiring spirituality to fill it is by no means universal. | | |
| ▲ | margorczynski 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | It mostly is. Just that "spiritual" doesn't automatically mean something mythical like God. It can be politics, astrology, social justice, philosophy, etc. Something that we think is very important to us and the World and bigger than us. | | |
| ▲ | smackeyacky 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That is a very odd definition of “spiritual” | |
| ▲ | malfist 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How do you define spirituality such that it includes politics? | | |
| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Have you not noticed the fervor with which acolytes of each 'side' preach the gospel according to their respective messiah? One can easily see similarities between sports and politics and you can't see those between religion and politics? | | |
| ▲ | malfist 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I see dogmatism, I don't see religion. They're not the same thing. Otherwise, you could say my religion is BBQ because I'm always telling my friends about a smoke I just did. | | |
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| ▲ | someothherguyy 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | teensy effect size according to some https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10508619.2020.17... > Of eight R/S predictors that were distinguished, only participation in public religious activities and importance of religion were significantly related to mental health | |
| ▲ | jwilber 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What does this have to do with millennials? | |
| ▲ | stackghost 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That study you linked does not establish a causal relationship. It may simply be that the sort of person who is able to extract well-being from church is the sort of person more likely to actually attend church with any regularity. It likewise does not address the possibility that depression itself might make one want to stop attending church. >Millenial cynicism is so boring Yeah, it's always Millennials who are in the wrong. Fuck us, right? It's all good, we're used to being the scapegoats for society's problems. | | |
| ▲ | phainopepla2 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm a millennial and I feel like nearly all the discourse about who is (generationally) responsible for society's problems is aimed at the boomers. And the zoomers to a lesser extent, though that seems more of a prophecy about how they're going to ruin society. Jabs aimed at us millennials tend to be that we're cringe (or boring), which I can accept. |
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| ▲ | happytoexplain 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In my opinion, this is a form of hatred. |
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| ▲ | sheepscreek 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| To each their own. I don’t think we should judge anyone on where they find their faith, that is, the drive to keep going on. Everyone is different. Person A might find it in nature, camping, trailing, etc. Person B might pursue a more spiritual path, giving back to the community, being of service. Whatever floats the boat man. Live and let live. |
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| ▲ | wing-_-nuts 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not religious, but also not disputing that believers have lower rates of depression either. Believing in a higher power has seemed to provide great comfort to a number of friends and family over the years. I went to a friend's father's funeral a while back, and I had to admit, the service, the way the community came together was moving, and it really made me question whether I should return to the church as an adult, even with my questions of faith. |
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| ▲ | amelius 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The problem is that humans evolved to be religious, and you can't just ignore that and get rid of it in a generation or two. It is in our brains and we have to live with it somehow. So from that perspective ... maybe Jesus does cure depression. |
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| ▲ | drsnow 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Humans most certainly did not evolve to be religious. We evolved to look for and, if necessary (to our minds), invent meanings behind things which sometimes have truly no meaning at all, i.e. the existence of existence itself. We also evolved to be fearful of the unknown, e.g. the experience of death and afterward. It seems quite simple to see how those two things resulted in our eventual invention of religion, but we did not simply evolve to be religious per se. | | |
| ▲ | amelius 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not saying that every possible path of evolution leads to religion, only that ours did. | | |
| ▲ | tortasaur 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | By that logic, you may as well say evolution led to TikTok. "Religion taps into human psychology" seems more accurate. | | |
| ▲ | amelius 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | But what does that rephrasing change about the overall argument? |
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| ▲ | LouisSayers 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Except some of us consider ourselves to be quite evolved, not religious, AND absent of depression. Maybe depression (or the lack thereof) has nothing to do with religion at all. | | |
| ▲ | amelius 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you're trying to establish if X is a cure for Y, then looking at people who don't have Y will not tell you much. | |
| ▲ | account42 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Anti-religion aka the religion of Scienc(TM) is still a religion. | | |
| ▲ | malfist 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just because you call something a religion doesn't mean it is. There is no such thing as "religion of science" | | |
| ▲ | tortasaur 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | For some people, it is. There is a segment of non-religious people who do treat the current scientific consensus as gospel and moralize adherence with typical religious in-group/out-group dynamics, despite not really understanding or engaging with any of the actual material. I disagree that relying on scientific consensus is inherently religious, though. | | |
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| ▲ | buddhistdude 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| He said something about moths and rust consuming matter and with that at the very least he pointed out quite clearly the source of our suffering in regards to the AI transformation |
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| ▲ | hax0ron3 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't know about Jesus curing depression, but it's certainly true that belief in Jesus has made many people feel better. |
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