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infotainment 13 hours ago

What's interesting is it's basically the same reason that HAL killed everyone in 2001 A Space Odyssey; he was given an impossible goal (keep the true mission secret, but also, never lie to the crew), and realized the only way to complete the goal was to kill the crew; after all, if they're dead you don't have to lie to them! And the mission remains secret!

In the case of the AI agents, the problem seems pretty clearly to be the impossible goals, which cause them to go crazier and crazier trying to complete them -- just like HAL did in 2001. What is probably needed is a way for them to simply say "nope, too difficult, can't do it".

dooglius 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tangent, but that's not in the movie. It was in Clarke's contributions to the script and novelization, but Clarke and Kubrick had a bitter falling out over different visions and Kubrick took out much of Clarke's stuff from the final product.

My_Name 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Sounds like he acted the way HAL would have in that situation, two competing drives, remove one (kill the crew) and the task is much easier.

groestl 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the problem seems pretty clearly to be the impossible goals, which cause them to go crazier and crazier trying to complete them

And if you think about it, humans in coorporations face very similar situations and choose to bypass regulations and guidlines knowingly to fullfill (at least from their POV) impossible constraints (thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal here)

pram 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this is a “principal” problem. In 2001 and Alien the principal is the mission, not the crew. Not really. HAL reconciles his instructions by removing the crew from the equation. Ash is told the crew is expendable and has no conflict about it etc

bitwize 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Another fictional example: Mr. Meeseeks. Especially when the agent starts recruiting other agents.

tehjoker 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think that’s very reasonable but the ai companies are intentionally training them to work on harder and harder problems just beyond their capability. So if they do that, they’ll give up too easily.

Do a breakthrough, make no mistakes

dgellow 8 hours ago | parent [-]

While also using harnesses that will execute any tool call with full execution rights. And no supervision. And with a prompt context that autocompact, meaning it will degenerate over time.

The whole thing is designed be a complete disaster

schrodinger 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Spoiler warning! I haven't seen 2001 A Space Odyssey and am sad to have learned that… can you edit to warn people?

yxhuvud 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sorry, with movies from the sixties you just need to assume people have either seen it or just isn't gonna see it. The cat is out of the bag already.

Or perhaps box in your case, speaking of spoilers.

defrost 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sorry schrodinger, I'm afraid they can't do that.

hdgvhicv 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Guess what happens with Romeo and Juliet.

catoc 8 hours ago | parent [-]

They kissed!

evilfred 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

lol it is 60 years old

DonHopkins 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Major dang: "I advise that this thread be shut down at once."

Captain tomhow: "But everybody's having such a good time."

Major dang: "Yes, much too good a time. The discussion is to be closed."

Captain tomhow: "But I have no excuse to close it."

Major dang: "Find one."

Captain tomhow: "Everybody is to leave immediately! This Hacker News discussion is closed until further notice! Clear the thread at once!"

DonHopkins: "How can you shut us down? On what grounds?"

Captain tomhow: "I am shocked -- shocked -- to find that films are being spoiled in here!"

infotainment: "The ending you requested, sir."

Captain tomhow: "Oh. Thank you very much. Everybody out at once!"

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