| ▲ | Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall(wsj.com) |
| 173 points by JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | 60 comments |
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| ▲ | thomascountz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| http://archive.today/2026.07.25-012850/https://www.wsj.com/h... |
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| ▲ | instagib 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >>On Monday, however, the FDA said that the "false-positive lab sample DOES NOT change the basis for [the] FDA's ongoing outbreak investigation or the overwhelming epidemiological data supporting the current voluntary recall by Taylor Farms." The agency added that its "traceback investigation and outbreak data continue to converge on shredded iceberg lettuce from Taylor Farms locations in central Mexico." The false positive "doesn't call into question the conclusion of the outbreak investigation," McEntire said. Had the positive test been confirmed, "it could've resulted in a substantially expanded recall."
<< https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taylor-farms-cyclospora-outbrea... I like the part where they say “No Taylor Farms branded products are involved in this recall.” As in there are other brands they do not mention which were but do not list them which they could own and distribute under. https://www.taylorfarms.com/newsroom/taylor-fresh-foods-stat... |
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| ▲ | ashleyn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Only slightly unrelated, but I've been thinking a lot lately about prion disease and whether or not you can still trust the meat you eat. Easily a food safety concern that is ten times worse than getting a little diarrhea from your salad, and the same institutional rot can contribute to it. And it would take 5-10 years to really see the damage done from it. |
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| ▲ | jm4 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A guy gets a worm in his brain, somehow becomes secretary of health, loosens all the rules so the rest of us have a higher chance of getting a brain worm. This is comic book villain kind of stuff. Can we start a serious discussion about whether we might be living in a simulation with a troll teenager at the controls? | | |
| ▲ | tgv 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Can we start a serious discussion about whether we might be living in a simulation with a troll teenager at the controls? Why? To skirt the fact that this is reality and needs to be changed? There is no simulation. There is no super-natural teenager interested in making your life a tiny bit worse (I mean: a human teenager would just let N.Korea send nukes, and it's not as if you're living in Sudan either). Your question seems to be either trolling itself or delusional, or the feeblest attempt at humor. Neither is helpful. | |
| ▲ | CalRobert an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Reminiscent of the toxoplasmosis life cycle. | |
| ▲ | Arodex 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can we start a serious discussion about whether you might start taking responsibility of who you elect instead of wasting your time fantasizing? I mean, it is not as if RFK was the darling candidate of HN at one time? | | |
| ▲ | epistasis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I've been a long time foe of RFK Jr., spend way too much time here, and have never been under the impression that RFK Jr. was a darling here at all. | | |
| ▲ | Arodex 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Filter for dates around his presidential run: "he's not really anti Vax", "he's the only candidate talking about health"... With Dorsey and other SV actors boosting him. https://archive.is/kce6f | | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | This was never a majority opinion here | |
| ▲ | pstuart 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wait, so techbros angling for influence represent the HN population? Sadly, there's enough MAGA here to share their downvotes but your "evidence" is pointing in a different direction. |
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| ▲ | Waterluvian an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The Americans have what’s basically a cultural trait at this point of deflecting ownership of their government’s actions with “not my president so not my failure” abdication of responsibility. I wish we could open trade talks with these people instead. But, alas, that’s not how it works. | | |
| ▲ | w0de0 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Fine, it’s all my fault. Neither me nor my state voted that way, I’ve protested like hell, but nonetheless at your insistence I accept personal responsibility for the policy choices of the federal government. What do you propose I do? Or did you just want my permission to be personally angry at me? Not sure you needed it, but you’ve now got it. | | |
| ▲ | close04 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Something you might have noticed, every time there’s something positive, to brag or take pride with, someone will rub it in everyone else’s face: “we got to the Moon first”, “we have all the freedoms and the best democracy”, we have the most powerful army or strongest economy”, “we have bigger homes and bigger incomes”. For the good stuff it’s always “we”, part of the greatest. Individual contributions are blurry, meaningless. When it comes to the bad stuff there’s a shift in language. There’s no “we” anywhere to be found. It’s vague but it’s definitely someone else in another state who’s responsible. A crazy politician. A corrupt interest localized elsewhere. The usual first reaction is “but those were different people you were talking to” and you’re right. But what a coincidence that when someone assigns blame there’s always an answer like yours to deflect it, but when they were assigning “awards” nobody ever came up to deflect those. Either most Americans think they should only get the praise and every other voice is drowned, or maybe it’s a balanced split but you only speak now to tell is you feel slighted and victimized but chose to be quiet back then when you were honored as an American. It’s this coincidence you should be upset with. When the right hand only brags about the good stuff and puts the golden crown on your head, and the left hand only shirks responsibility when it’s pointed out that there’s gunk all over the crown and the backside is wooden. | | |
| ▲ | Klonoar 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don’t think you want to do anything here except rub Americans nose in failure. Which is fine, but attempting to grandstand while doing it is just boring to read. Or maybe you just need more practice at this kind of internet kickdown. |
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| ▲ | monkpit 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes because everyone else on HN is one hivemind, other than you of course. | |
| ▲ | rozap 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Goomba fallacy | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You might benefit from looking up the Goomba Fallacy. As a former anti-anti-RFK guy, I absolutely have to take responsibility, I severely misunderstood the wellness movement and didn't realize that inflicting disease on people was their goal. But I don't know why you think the person you're responding to supported RFK. | | |
| ▲ | pstuart 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | He's definitely got the broken clock syndrome. And back in the day he was a strong defender of the environment. I've got a family member and ex friend (both trained in science) and they drank the koolaid hard. A funny story about them -- both had stayed at my home (different times) and I had taken to heating the water for my coffee in the microwave. Both of them were horrified by that and refused to use that water. Neither could give reason why, and artfully deflected when I pressed the matter. I think antivaxers caught a virus that melted their brains. | | |
| ▲ | jacobolus 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think the worldwide disruption of the pandemic melted people's brains, and the recent surge in the anti-vax movement is a symptom. Along the lines of: if all this bad stuff happened and my life was significantly harmed, it must be someone's fault; all those doctors and scientists kept advising everyone on what they thought was happening and what to do, so they're probably the ones who caused the problem. |
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| ▲ | lovich an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >I mean, it is not as if RFK was the darling candidate of HN at one time? Wasn't my darling candidate. Mostly because I can read research papers and understand that drinking raw milk and avoiding vaccines doesn't make me healthier. |
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| ▲ | voidfunc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If were living in a simulation then all of this is meaningless :) | | |
| ▲ | apsurd 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | as opposed to the meaning of absolute reality? oh boy you’ve got so much reading and movie watching ahead that you’ll enjoy very much. |
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| ▲ | Dr_Incelheimer 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Read https://www.docdroid.net/MfW3sAr/parasite-pill-version-20-pd... and be enlightened. I believe it was originally made by a 4chan user so obviously there are a lot of insane ramblings there but if the theory is true, the implications would be hilarious |
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| ▲ | kevinlou an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's really nothing we can do about prion diseases, can we? What does the FDA (or any other regulatory or research institution) even have in the way of prion detection? | | | |
| ▲ | testfrequency 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most foreigners I know are incredibly skeptical or opposed to the idea of consuming meat while in America, as it has a pretty bad global reputation for not being good quality and/or safe. I’m sure fans of BBQ will argue this, but I’d say the average person who is travelling just for BBQ is not really a standard foreigner. I’ve even had co-workers visit from Ireland and Germany who only trust McDonald’s while they visit, or a local pub. | | |
| ▲ | _zoltan_ 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't know who are these foreigners you speak of. I'm looking forward to eating some of the best steaks in the US. The beef in Switzerland is mediocre at best. |
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| ▲ | devin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Of course they did. Look at the disaster around the messaging. |
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| ▲ | bagels 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How can anyone trust them to provide food safely if they can give Trump money and suddenly the recall disappears? |
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| ▲ | beloch an hour ago | parent [-] | | The next time you hear people claiming that Canada's dairy tariff's are unjust, unfair, etc.* ... Bear in mind that they only kick in after a quota that's never been reached because Canadians generally perceive U.S. dairy as being of lower quality. This sort of thing probably won't change that. _______ * Trump does this regularly when justifying his latest tariffs. |
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| ▲ | pm90 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The US Federal Government has been meaningfully degraded by the brazen corruption of the people in power. Already there was a crisis of faith in authority; this is just going to make it much much worse. I wonder if its time to rethink some of these institutions. It seems like Food Safety is especially important to the welp being of society; it might make sense to have food testing labs in every major population center/distribution hub. Funded by a tax on the food companies or perhaps even locally. Its just unbelievable that the entire US population is so vulnerable… what if a bad actor did something nasty deliberately? |
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| ▲ | jiqiren 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Seems because of Supreme Court ruling practically every federal agency likely needs to be re-chartered to have the same structure as the Federal Reserve. | | |
| ▲ | senderista 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | They need to be restructured such that their success or failure has a direct impact on the justices' retirement accounts. | |
| ▲ | lokar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There is no real distinction between the Fed and the FTC. The different outcomes were the reason for the decision. | | |
| ▲ | jacobolus 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | As you say, the current profoundly corrupt Supreme Court majority will make up whatever justification they need to get the outcome they want, case by case, and don't believe in the concept of precedent, even their own. The only thing that can be done is "re-chartering" the court – immediate significant expansion/packing followed later by drastic structural reforms. |
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| ▲ | Hikikomori 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_rule | |
| ▲ | mindslight 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Depending how far the Supreme Council takes the unitary executive theory, we might need a straight up Constitutional amendment. And while we're at it, those department heads should be directly elected by the People - imagine being able to split your choices for which parties control the FCC vs the ATF. (Ideally we'd move towards Ranked Pairs voting too, diminishing the two-party stranglehold as well) | | |
| ▲ | senderista 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Technocrats shouldn't be popularly elected. Someone like RFK Jr. would be more likely to end up in a top position under popular election, not less likely. The American public does not generally respect expertise, but politicians mostly did until quite recently (with a few exceptions like climate change). |
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| ▲ | projectileboy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well… the system mostly worked for a pretty long time. As I used to tell my kids, if you try hard enough to break something, you’ll probably succeed. | | |
| ▲ | davidw 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Breaking things is also a lot easier than building complex things. | | |
| ▲ | monkpit 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which, funnily enough, is _also_ something you can teach your children. |
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| ▲ | solfox 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Generally the industry DOES lobby for regulation. In a deregulated industry, there's a rush towards the bottom - which means trust in the industry implodes. They don't want that. I don't believe the current administration is actually in line with the industry as a whole. |
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| ▲ | davidw 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "No shit?" jokes aside, it seems like a bad corporate strategy. Rather than owning up and doing what they can to protect their customers, they kept trying to hide, and now Taylor Farms is going to forever be associated in customers minds with explosive diarrhea. |
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| ▲ | monkpit 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I’m sure they’ll just come up with some other branding, they’ll “go bankrupt” and reorganize, and call it good in the public eye, and everyone will have forgotten about it in a year or two. | |
| ▲ | ornornor an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | From a purely greedy/capitalistic standpoint, this strategy made sense. If Presdient Camacho can call a sport’s federation and have a penalty canceled and the administration is as rotten and corrupt as its demonstrated every day, it’s worth a shot for that company to try and avoid a recall. A recall costs money, people they don’t know getting sick costs them nothing. | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They tried to hide it before the news got out in the first place; the reason executives in general are so excited about Trump is that they think he's going to let them bribe their way out of anything. I'm a bit surprised to hear no bribe was accepted here, although I suppose an uncontrolled explosive diarrhea outbreak would be hard for regime officials to keep a lid on. |
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| ▲ | lettergram 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It was a false positive for what it was worth - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-says-taylor-f... |
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| ▲ | mlyle 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's my understanding that it was traced definitively to Taylor Farms, but the only positive test may have been a false positive. You don't always get a positive test, but this doesn't necessarily prevent you from concluding the cause of food contamination. | | |
| ▲ | pudgywalsh 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > but the only positive test may have been a false positive Software getting flagged by anti-malware as a false positive is a great way to get an evil corpo tale of woe to the top of HN with 800 points. | |
| ▲ | stogot 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It's my understanding that it was traced definitively to Taylor Farms, but the only positive test may have been a false positive. So it’s a false positive? | | |
| ▲ | Terr_ 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > So it’s a false positive? They already told you clearly, so it sounds like you're trying to browbeat them with a fallacy of equivocation over the scope of "it". These things are not equivalent: 1. A biological test for a parasite in a sample of equipment/material from the factory. (Claimed as false-positive.) 2. The analysis of the supply-chain for the food that sickened people which led to that facility as a common factor. (Presumably still accurate.) ___________ To use a criminal-investigation metaphor: Suppose a dead woman is found covered in knife wounds, and the circumstantial evidence leads to one Knifey McStabberson, since he (A) previously dated the woman and (B) sent a death-threat once via text-message, and (C) has a collection of hundreds of suitably-sized knives. Investigators notice one that looks bloody, and test it... It's her blood! Wait, oops, no, false-positive, it was something else. What is your takeaway from the story so far? Is it that Knifey McStabberson himself is "a false-positive" and obviously totally innocent... or is it that it would be a good idea to check more of the knives scattered around his house and in his car? | | |
| ▲ | roughly 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Christ, man, hasn’t the McStabberson family been through enough? Do you not have the decency to finally bring this witch hunt to an end?! |
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| ▲ | conception 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Taylor Farms also gave Maga Inc a million dollars six days after the FDA pushed a food safety rule back. | |
| ▲ | pacomerh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How can you believe this?, look at the signs. Its too obvious someone got paid to say that. | |
| ▲ | Tostino 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | At this point, why would I trust what they say? | | |
| ▲ | 3eb7988a1663 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is the most upsetting thing about everything that is happening. Like, sure I have plenty of criticisms about the FDA, but by and large, I thought the body was slowly working in the direction of the public good. Once you destroy that trust, every single announcement becomes suspect. You no longer have anything you can believe. |
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| ▲ | lovich an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > FDA says... This admin has lied repeatedly. Why would any of us believe a statement solely because the admin said it? Do we need to give them the benefit of the doubt despite how many times they lie? | | |
| ▲ | vkou 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The press seems to think that someone who lies whenever their lips are moving deserves an elevated platform. |
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