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| ▲ | epistasis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I've been a long time foe of RFK Jr., spend way too much time here, and have never been under the impression that RFK Jr. was a darling here at all. | | |
| ▲ | Arodex 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Filter for dates around his presidential run: "he's not really anti Vax", "he's the only candidate talking about health"... With Dorsey and other SV actors boosting him. https://archive.is/kce6f | | |
| ▲ | idiotsecant 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This was never a majority opinion here | |
| ▲ | pstuart 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wait, so techbros angling for influence represent the HN population? Sadly, there's enough MAGA here to share their downvotes but your "evidence" is pointing in a different direction. |
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| ▲ | Waterluvian 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The Americans have what’s basically a cultural trait at this point of deflecting ownership of their government’s actions with “not my president so not my failure” abdication of responsibility. I wish we could open trade talks with these people instead. But, alas, that’s not how it works. | | |
| ▲ | w0de0 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Fine, it’s all my fault. Neither me nor my state voted that way, I’ve protested like hell, but nonetheless at your insistence I accept personal responsibility for the policy choices of the federal government. What do you propose I do? Or did you just want my permission to be personally angry at me? Not sure you needed it, but you’ve now got it. | | |
| ▲ | close04 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Something you might have noticed, every time there’s something positive, to brag or take pride with, someone will rub it in everyone else’s face: “we got to the Moon first”, “we have all the freedoms and the best democracy”, we have the most powerful army or strongest economy”, “we have bigger homes and bigger incomes”. For the good stuff it’s always “we”, part of the greatest. Individual contributions are blurry, meaningless. The laurels belong to everyone. When it comes to the bad stuff there’s a shift in language. There’s no “we” anywhere to be found. It’s vague but it’s definitely someone else in another state who’s responsible. A crazy politician. A corrupt interest localized elsewhere. Overall result is blurry, meaningless. The blame belongs to someone specific. The usual first reaction is “but those were different people you were talking to” and you’re right. But what a coincidence that when someone assigns blame there’s always an answer like yours to deflect it, but when they were assigning “awards” nobody ever came up to deflect those. Either most Americans think they should only get the praise and every other voice is drowned, or maybe it’s a balanced split but you only speak now to tell is you feel slighted and victimized but chose to be quiet back then when you were honored as an American. It’s this coincidence you should be upset with. When the right hand only brags about the good stuff and puts the golden crown on your head, and the left hand only shirks responsibility when it’s pointed out that there’s gunk all over the crown and the backside is wooden. | | |
| ▲ | Klonoar an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I don’t think you want to do anything here except rub Americans nose in failure. Which is fine, but attempting to grandstand while doing it is just boring to read. Or maybe you just need more practice at this kind of internet kickdown. | | |
| ▲ | close04 an hour ago | parent [-] | | This is why you should sleep on it before replying. What kind of reply is that? “It was so boring I had to read it all and reply with a personal attack”? Do what everybody else does, downvote in response for the burn and move on. If you thought I was wrong you wouldn’t spend 3 paragraphs (yes, a sentence can be a paragraph, and in this case it is) talking about me, you’d show me it’s not like that, not like everyone else sees it. Funny thing is that unlike you who only had some 2bit ad-hominem to offer, GP is probably not wrong. They really aren’t responsible for the current situation and maybe even did their part to fight it. But they were immediately triggered and had to object when they felt unfairly bundled with the “losers”. Did you ever see anyone objecting to being unfairly bundled with the “winners” (i.e. never really contributed to the win)? | | |
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| ▲ | w0de0 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think your observation is valid, but - perhaps from very understandable frustration - overwrought, and unfairly characterized as a specifically American foible. Success always has many fathers, failure is always an orphan, anywhere. At least I am recognizing failure, if only to disown it! (And if I rightly feel shame now, even without personal responsibility, cannot I not be allowed some sober pride in equal measure in other circumstances?) | |
| ▲ | jibal an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's a lot of handwaving and broad generalizations / hyperbole that does exactly what the GP complained about from the GGP, and failed to answer their question: "What do you propose I do?" | | |
| ▲ | vasco 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Move to Alaska to become the greatest salmon catcher that ever lived. |
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| ▲ | jibal an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, it's those who say "He's my President! (also yours)" who deny and deflect all responsibility. |
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| ▲ | monkpit 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes because everyone else on HN is one hivemind, other than you of course. | |
| ▲ | rozap 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Goomba fallacy | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You might benefit from looking up the Goomba Fallacy. As a former anti-anti-RFK guy, I absolutely have to take responsibility, I severely misunderstood the wellness movement and didn't realize that inflicting disease on people was their goal. But I don't know why you think the person you're responding to supported RFK. | | |
| ▲ | pstuart an hour ago | parent [-] | | He's definitely got the broken clock syndrome. And back in the day he was a strong defender of the environment. I've got a family member and ex friend (both trained in science) and they drank the koolaid hard. A funny story about them -- both had stayed at my home (different times) and I had taken to heating the water for my coffee in the microwave. Both of them were horrified by that and refused to use that water. Neither could give reason why, and artfully deflected when I pressed the matter. I think antivaxers caught a virus that melted their brains. | | |
| ▲ | jacobolus an hour ago | parent [-] | | I think the worldwide disruption of the pandemic melted people's brains, and the recent surge in the anti-vax movement is a symptom. Along the lines of: if all this bad stuff happened and my life was significantly harmed, it must be someone's fault; all those doctors and scientists kept advising everyone on what they thought was happening and what to do, so they're probably the ones who caused the problem. | | |
| ▲ | noduerme 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I say this as a committed fan of RNA vaccines and masking, who believed we could have contained covid with more serious lockdowns very early in the pandemic: In point of fact, it was someone's fault, and the someones whose fault it was - the ones doing gain of function research - were the same people who took control of lockdown policy in the US. That would be enough to melt a lot of people's brains, even if it weren't for the psychological effects of lockdowns, remote schooling, and the consequent arrested development of an entire generation. At a bare minimum, the concealment by the CCP of what they knew of covid was an act of war. The cover-up itself killed millions of people and caused untold economic damage to their adversaries, with the collusion of health officials in the US government who had offshored illegal research there. |
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| ▲ | lovich 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >I mean, it is not as if RFK was the darling candidate of HN at one time? Wasn't my darling candidate. Mostly because I can read research papers and understand that drinking raw milk and avoiding vaccines doesn't make me healthier. |
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