Remix.run Logo
close04 2 hours ago

Something you might have noticed, every time there’s something positive, to brag or take pride with, someone will rub it in everyone else’s face: “we got to the Moon first”, “we have all the freedoms and the best democracy”, we have the most powerful army or strongest economy”, “we have bigger homes and bigger incomes”. For the good stuff it’s always “we”, part of the greatest. Individual contributions are blurry, meaningless. The laurels belong to everyone.

When it comes to the bad stuff there’s a shift in language. There’s no “we” anywhere to be found. It’s vague but it’s definitely someone else in another state who’s responsible. A crazy politician. A corrupt interest localized elsewhere. Overall result is blurry, meaningless. The blame belongs to someone specific.

The usual first reaction is “but those were different people you were talking to” and you’re right. But what a coincidence that when someone assigns blame there’s always an answer like yours to deflect it, but when they were assigning “awards” nobody ever came up to deflect those. Either most Americans think they should only get the praise and every other voice is drowned, or maybe it’s a balanced split but you only speak now to tell is you feel slighted and victimized but chose to be quiet back then when you were honored as an American.

It’s this coincidence you should be upset with. When the right hand only brags about the good stuff and puts the golden crown on your head, and the left hand only shirks responsibility when it’s pointed out that there’s gunk all over the crown and the backside is wooden.

Klonoar an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t think you want to do anything here except rub Americans nose in failure.

Which is fine, but attempting to grandstand while doing it is just boring to read.

Or maybe you just need more practice at this kind of internet kickdown.

close04 an hour ago | parent [-]

This is why you should sleep on it before replying. What kind of reply is that? “It was so boring I had to read it all and reply with a personal attack”? Do what everybody else does, downvote in response for the burn and move on.

If you thought I was wrong you wouldn’t spend 3 paragraphs (yes, a sentence can be a paragraph, and in this case it is) talking about me, you’d show me it’s not like that, not like everyone else sees it.

Funny thing is that unlike you who only had some 2bit ad-hominem to offer, GP is probably not wrong. They really aren’t responsible for the current situation and maybe even did their part to fight it. But they were immediately triggered and had to object when they felt unfairly bundled with the “losers”. Did you ever see anyone objecting to being unfairly bundled with the “winners” (i.e. never really contributed to the win)?

Klonoar 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Nah, I'm content with my response.

close04 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

Oh, no, that much was obvious. I can’t get blood from stone. Or a valuable conversation :)

hack1312 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

3 paragraphs? Dude they wrote 3 sentences.

w0de0 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think your observation is valid, but - perhaps from very understandable frustration - overwrought, and unfairly characterized as a specifically American foible.

Success always has many fathers, failure is always an orphan, anywhere. At least I am recognizing failure, if only to disown it!

(And if I rightly feel shame now, even without personal responsibility, cannot I not be allowed some sober pride in equal measure in other circumstances?)

jibal an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That's a lot of handwaving and broad generalizations / hyperbole that does exactly what the GP complained about from the GGP, and failed to answer their question: "What do you propose I do?"

vasco 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

Move to Alaska to become the greatest salmon catcher that ever lived.