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spking 8 hours ago

Neil Postman called this the “Peekaboo World”.

“What steps do you plan to take to reduce the conflict in the Middle East? Or the rates of inflation, crime and unemployment? What are your plans for preserving the environment or reducing the risk of nuclear war? What do you plan to do about NATO, OPEC, the CIA, affirmative action, and the monstrous treatment of the Baha’is in Iran? I shall take the liberty of answering for you: You plan to do nothing about them.”

https://www.nateliason.com/notes/amusing-death-neil-postman

stratocumulus0 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Postman wrote this in context of television, which is a broadcast channel with no means to interact with it. But in times of social media, your reaction to the news is something you can broadcast yourself, at the very least to your online followers (if we are talking about story feeds). Now, a lot of groups enforce their members to take political stances and show action as a sign of belonging. These might be anything from a writing circle to a raver collective. Everyone already shares the group opinions (sincerely or not), but then they need to perform token activism to maintain their image as a "safe" person to have in the group. Examples of such actions I've seen recently would be:

- A special edition of a writing workshop dedicated to writing poems which can be used by people protesting against the ICE in the US. We are thousands of kilometers away from the US, by the way.

- A street protest against whatever the most recent armed conflict is. The protest has a DJ, a great sound system and everyone is just dancing while singing the slogans.

- A charity party collecting donations for a very narrowly defined vulnerable population in a war-torn area, most often someone the participants can personally identify with.

Case in point is that the vast majority of the population has no power to drive any meaningful change, as Postman rightly noticed. But then, the new source of mental load comes from the fact that you have to be performatively concerned if you don't want to lose your status in a group.

consp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Your first paragraph sounds like a religion.

throwaway209329 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As an autistic person this has never made sense, the things people are willing to do in order to fit into a group, like at it's extreme murdering others. After becoming aware of my diagnosis I've started studying "normal" people and it's insane what you are willing to withstand just to belong to a group or in society. Now I think that some things "normal" people participate in they think is actually fun, like hanging around others doing nothing productive, which after reaching 40 years old, and having a burnout, I also now enjoy just hanging around and belonging to a group. Also social capital, or belonging to a group, has many positive advantages.

regenschutz 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Neurotypical is the word you're looking for, not "normal".

inigyou an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Even HN has these rituals. You have to downvote when someone randomly mentions Gaza, e.g. this comment.

sho 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the “Peekaboo World”

What a great analogy. And IG/Tiktok reduce it into an even purer state - endless random videos, barely if at all connected, ephemeral stimulation you can't even remember 30 seconds after seeing it.

I know 50 year old adults who can spend entire hours just in this mesmerized state of flicking through these random feeds, seeing but not seeing, like some kind of drug induced hypnosis. I wonder what Postman would write today, were he still with us.

cineticdaffodil an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I plan to be informed about causality and effect - and im voting accordingly to put an end to causes that affect me negatively. So understanding something, not mythologizing or idealizing anything, is a absolutly necessary pre-requisit to voting.

JKCalhoun 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I don't disagree.

Mental health is important as well.

I am informed well enough to vote (when there are two parties) with just a few minutes of the news every day. (And in fact the few minutes seems to have only served to bolster how I was already inclined to vote. One thing I have to say about these times: there is very little nuance.)

elif an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There has never been a vote with any impact on the CIA whatsoever.

cindyllm an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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pjc50 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> inflation, crime and unemployment?

Here's a subject I want to explore; the statistical vs individual view of the world. Because those things do matter - to the individuals they happen to. People care about the price level every time they get paid or go grocery shopping. People care if a crime is committed against them - it can be a lifelong trauma. And so on.

They're also likely to care when things happen to their immediate social circle. What about their broader community? However that is defined?

On the other end of that, the ability to do something about things: isn't that ultimately why people value democracy, because it is actually possible to change things, even sometimes for the better?

uberex 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Er... I got an electric car does that count? Based on $ keeping the old car is cheaper. Also divestment, purchase choices, charity donations, solar install.

Gibbon1 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Buying electric cars, installing solar, and switching to heat pumps are one of the few things you can materially do to screw the powers that be. The the other one is limiting your family size.

tirant 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Limiting your family size is a lazy, short term solution.

Having a bigger family and teaching them the right values is a much stronger and long term approach.

onion2k 4 hours ago | parent [-]

In a world where the brightest minds are paid to intentionally develop tools to make people betray their values (advertising, propaganda, rolling news, etc), I'm not sure anyone should feel safe about what they teach their kids. Many industries, but especially tech, will do everything possible to make them do whatever makes a few dozen people richer.

inigyou 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

The best thing an individual can do against, say, the advertising industry, is to become an important person in an advertising marketplace and then destroy it. You spend 30 years to become CTO at Google and then you set the billing system to charge every customer $1,000,000, right before you drop an EMP in the biggest DC.

gchamonlive 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The only thing you can do to hurt the powers that be is not buying.

inigyou 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There are things that could hurt them a lot more than ignoring them.

JKCalhoun 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

You're being coy.

Perhaps someone should clarify though that most of us are looking for legal means to rattle the shackles of our (Tr/B)illionaire overlords.

seba_dos1 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can be done too. I live in a rather big city, so I don't own a car, as I can perfectly go by using public transport.

retired 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Only if you limit your work and social life to that particular city. Not something most people want to do.

IneffablePigeon 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are many places in the world this is not true. I would say about half the people I know who live in London don’t own a car. They travel plenty - probably more than the people I know who don’t live in London. If they really need a car once they get to their destination they will rent one, or use taxis.

retired 4 hours ago | parent [-]

For The Netherlands you are really constricted to the city you live in if you don’t own a car. You can forget about going to a concert, a birthday party or catching an early flight without one. Or if you want to do anything fun on a Sunday in the east. Most people I know have a social life or do sports that require a car. If your children play football you really need a car. Last time I used a taxi in The Netherlands it was €210 for a 40 minute ride, that is reserved for the very wealthy.

London is a well connected metropole with 15 million people, not really comparable to most cities.

Edit, reply to Alex as I am rate limited with my comments:

Please tell me how I can cycle the 60 kilometers from the airport to my home at 23:00 with a rolling carry-on suitcase.

Renting a car is around €50 for a night out. And you need to reserve way in advance which is not great for spontaneous trips. Car ownership becomes cheaper and more convenient very quickly. I did car renting and after a couple of €1000/month bills I went back to car ownership.

Renting a bus for the sports team is a lot more expensive than using the parents cars which are at no cost to the club.

Reply to consp: You need the cars for football matches as public transport doesn’t get you there. The fields are outside of cities and matches are in the weekend when public transport is very limited.

tremon 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You can forget about going to a concert [..] or catching an early flight without one

Those are really bad examples. Quite a lot of venues are easier to reach by public transport than by car, e.g. Carré, Luxor, Tivoli, Diligentia, Vera; even Pinkpop provides a dedicated shuttle service. And Schiphol has 24h train service, nobody cycles to the airport unless they work there.

alextingle 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> in The Netherlands it was €210 for a 40 minute ride

That's much more than taxis cost in the UK, and pretty expensive even for the Netherlands. You have great cycling infrastructure, and public transport though.

Renting a car is an affordable alternative to ownership, if you need to go to occasional concerts or birthday parties, and public transport happens to be inconvenient for your specific destination. I did that for years - the rental company would deliver and collect from my workplace, so it's super-easy.

> If your children play football you really need a car.

A friend of mine used to ferry his son 1000s of km per year to ice-hockey matches around the country, so I know what you mean. I don't understand it though - if the whole team is travelling, why don't they just rent a bus? Personally, I don't think it's healthy for a child's hobby to consume so much of the parents' time - of course, your choice.

inigyou 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doesn't everyone bike everywhere in the Netherlands?

joe_mamba 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

He obviously was talking about long distance trips, not just daily grocery shopping to the nearest supermarket.

consp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You don't need a car for football matches. You need a car for convenience because [fill lazy reason]. And if one person rents a van you can take half the team...

ben_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends on the public transport network where you live. I used to work with someone who commuted from London to Cambridge (yes, that way around). And in Berlin, someone else who commuted from half way to Poland.

Won't work everywhere, e.g. from what I saw when visiting I don't foresee US cities rapidly integrating enough good public transport to properly replace cars within themselves, and from what I've heard about how municipal organisation works in the US even less so for a convenient and well integrated intercity network, but it can be done.

inigyou 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

halfway from Berlin to Poland is like a 30 minute ride on regional train. It's quite close to the border.

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svrtknst 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can use public transportation, bikes, car pooling, taxis and rentals for your rare-use needs, and its usually cheaper than owning and operating a vehicle.

alextingle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd say that the vast majority of people who live in a city both work, and socialise almost exclusively there.

retired an hour ago | parent [-]

Unfortunately not. Average distance to work is 19,9 kilometers. That is well outside the city they live in. Most people can’t afford to live in the city they work in. In Amsterdam my entire team lived outside the city.

pepperoni_pizza 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends on which powers for each specific choice.

Electric cars don't run on Saudi-Trump-Putin juice, so they're pretty good step in screwing those, for example.

Gibbon1 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The difference between solar+batteries and oil and gas is the former is a durable good and latter are consumables.

numpad0 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think producing and consuming like crazy could also work, considering how quickly Twitter turned Elon Musk from most important to least interesting figure on Earth. Wealth and sensory capacity don't appear to be positively correlated at all.

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weregiraffe 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, it doesn't. Your contribution is statistically insignificant. It was purely a symbolic gesture.

pjc50 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Everyone's contribution is insignificant, and yet it all adds up.

This is rather like saying the average player in a football match scores 0 goals, therefore 0 goals were scored.

layer8 3 hours ago | parent [-]

No, it’s like saying how many goals you personally score is insignificant for how many goals are scored in total in football matches worldwide.

It’s like Down’s paradox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_voting). Being a paradox doesn’t make it untrue.

Gud 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even so, an electric car is not particularly good for the environment.

Bicycles and public transportation.

uberex 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Bicycles and public transportation are better yes. If I were healthy enough I would consider a cargo bike and bring 20kg of shopping home on that (for real). It would be cool. Then buses for unladen journeys.

tirant 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If the cargo bike is electric, the threshold for healthy enough lowers significantly.

My weekly shopping for a family of four is done on one like that, which I can park like 50cm away from the shop door and 50cm away from my home front door. That’s even more convenient than any car.

retired 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I hope you understand that you are in a very privileged position to be able to afford that lifestyle. Not everyone can do that.

lukan 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you claiming owning a cargo bike is a bigger privilege than owning a car? Problem with cargo bikes are, if you are living in a flat where you cannot "park" them, you mean this?

retired 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The lifestyle I refer to is living in a bike friendly city, being able to afford a multi-thousand euro cargo bike and having secure storage for it. OP also appears to live in a house with a yard on top of that. That lifestyle is reserved for very high earners.

Edit, reply to Lukan as I am rate limited with my comments: I’m sure that those people you saw in Leipzig and Berlin are global 5% earners, maybe even 1%-ers. That is a very luxurious lifestyle that not many can achieve.

Edit 2, again to Lukan. My point still stands that the Germany lifestyle is very luxurious compared to the rest of the world. And even in Germany, you need a decent income if you want to live in a high density city.

lukan an hour ago | parent | next [-]

"Edit 2, again to Lukan. My point still stands that the Germany lifestyle is very luxurious compared to the rest of the world."

I never debated that.

"And even in Germany, you need a decent income if you want to live in a high density city."

But this is not correct. You can get a 4 room apartment in Leipzig for 750 € a month (but of course you won't be the only one applying).

Also you may want to email dang about your rate limitation. Your recent comments seem fine enough to me to fix that.

inigyou 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

Rate limits, once applied, are almost never removed.

lukan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Edit, reply to Lukan as I am rate limited with my comments: I’m sure that those people you saw in Leipzig and Berlin are global 5% earners, maybe even 1%-ers. That is a very luxurious lifestyle that not many can achieve."

I am pretty sure they are not, I don't just see them, but also speak with them. But normal approach is not compare "global 5% earners", as probably all of germany would fall into that bucket, but compare locally. So can a normal german household afford them?

And the answer is yes. But if the household also needs a SUV and a garage for that, then maybe not.

But I was talking about people who cannot afford their own house. And they could afford a cheap car - or a cargo bike.

lukan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hm. Maybe visit a city like Leipzig or Berlin? Lot's of cargo bikes - some do belong to high earners, but most do not. Finding a suitable place to rent with secure storage is hard, but most old houses for example do have a big enough entrance house floor, where the bike can stand and this is what people do. Otherwise bike sheds in front of the house are becoming standard as well.

alextingle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What??

On what planet is getting your groceries on a bike "more privileged" than driving?

inigyou 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Why 20kg? I could stop by the supermarket every day and get what I can carry in one or two bags.

XorNot an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is literally oil industry propaganda.

retired 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You don’t even need bicycles if you design a city correctly.

numpad0 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

yeah, the real carbon footprint of especially non-wimpy EVs remains to be seen. EV recycling seem to be as real as gasoline from algae, the slides look beautiful but all mysteriously fail to take off.

kstenerud 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not that you plan to do nothing; rather, it's because you can do nothing about them. The only people who have any sway are the various foreign offices and the country leaders. But even their power is incredibly limited, because humanity moves like the tide.

Sure, Trump can continue chastising Netanyahu for continuing Israel's attacks into Gaza and Lebanon (which will sabotage the already comical agreement between the USA and Iran), but Netanyahu is in a bind with an October election coming up (and a hardliner rival who's already calling him a 3-failed-war-leader), so he can't change course no matter how much Trump (who needs a Republican victory in November) gets pissed off and threatens him. And even those threats will largely be empty because losing the religious right would be catastrophic. And no one else at either helm could do any better.

And because of that, Iran knows it can just continue like it always has, slowly working towards a bomb, with Saudia Arabia and Turkey soon following suit (they can't allow Iran to be the only nuclear power in the region - not with an isolationist USA).

Then we have Russia, whose insecurity and "defensive expansionism" spans centuries, stemming from its geography, so there's simply no way to placate them, and no way for them to ever be happy about NATO (which everyone already knows is a paper tiger anyway - it's just a matter of sussing out where the real alliance lines lay).

So yeah, you're not going to solve it. I'm not going to solve it. Nobody's gonna solve it. We're just gonna ride the tide.

inigyou 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Trump could literally just stop sending billions of taxpayer dollars to Netanyahu and the war would end - probably not well for Netanyahu. He could use that fact as leverage. He isn't.

inglor_cz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Netanyahu could also simply retire, he has been in politics since the 1970s.

But he would probably end up in jail on corruption charges, which is why he perseveres.

At this moment I wonder if the entire region would be better off if the Knesset passed a law "Netanyahu is universally pardoned, but must GTFO of the country and leave politics entirely". Cynical, but maybe the result would be worth it.

On a more positive note, I can see Iran dropping their nuclear program. It is expensive and the same money could be diverted to the drone and missile program, which is what led to them not losing the war.

Meanwhile, Russia has a very extensive and expensive nuclear program, and it didn't help them against Ukrainian drones burning and exploding strategic factories a few kilometers from the Kremlin. The threshold for an actual use of nukes is very high and they are losing a lot of their deterrence value.

kstenerud 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I Netanyahu retires, Eisenkot or Bennett take up the mantle, which is arguably worse. But he's got no reason to retire, given how he's polling now.

Iran isn't going to drop their nuclear program. They know full well that IF this deal actually works out (it won't, but just for the sake of argument...), they can go back to their clandestine enrichment program and nobody will actually look very hard (just like before). It'll be a return to normalcy, except they'll also be exacting tolls on the strait and building up with that new fat wad of free cash. And if it doesn't work out, they just stand firm until the USA gets tired and goes home with a fig leaf "we won" as November nears. Either way, similar result.

Russia is going to lose this war in a slow and grinding attrition that will smack of Afghanistan, that's not in question. But their ambitions aren't going to die. When they're ready again a decade later (and if NATO is still a thing), they'll grab a chunk of NATO land and extend their nuclear umbrella over it, daring the paper tiger to do something.

throwaway198846 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Eisenkot or Bennett take up the mantle, which is arguably worse.

As far as I'm aware there is no reason to believe so

kstenerud 2 hours ago | parent [-]

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/art...

throwaway198846 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I meant the worse part

inglor_cz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the question was "in what sense are Eisenkot and Bennett worse"?

I remember Bennett's shuttle diplomacy between Russia in Ukraine in 2022 and he struck me like a person who values peace more than Netanyahu does.

inglor_cz an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If you are right about Russia losing the war of attrition (I am not certain, though I certainly hope so), this will result in some internal unrest. The Muslim part of the Caucasus may well secede, places like Dagestan have negligible ethnic Russian population anyway. The next leader will have a lot of work on his hands just to keep the federation intact and Russian politics at least a bit independent on China.

Ultimately, a younger Russian leader who does not live in the past like Putin does may realize that Russia now has fewer people than Bangladesh or Indonesia and cannot afford old-style wars of conquest anymore.

clort 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The drones and missiles helped them to not lose the war, but they were significantly damaged by the initial strikes. A nuclear capability might have been sufficient deterrent to prevent those.

throwaway198846 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There is no amount of nuclear capability that can stop a party you are major threat to from attacking you. See Hamas attacking Israel. Of course Iran will still enrich uranium because they are an excellent negotition leverage.

inigyou 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think if Washington and Mar-a-Lago got nuked it might stop attacks?

inglor_cz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It also might not. Nuclear powers have lost a lot of "smaller wars" since 1945. Given that most wars are of the smaller variety, and that the threshold of nuke use is very high, it makes sense to think of the economy of the entire arsenal. Especially if your national economy is on the weaker side.

Too many people looked at Gaddafi's fall and Kim's endurance and made a short generalization "it pays to have nukes". But there is nuance in that contrast - if Libya was a friend of China and directly bordered it, no one would dare attack it the way it was attacked, nukes or not.

Iran's largest leverage is in controlling Hormuz and threatening Dubai, Qatar etc. with destruction of their oil and water infrastructure. All of this can be done cheaply with conventional weapons. If they ever use nukes, though, they can expect to be nuked in response.

throwaway198846 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> "Netanyahu is universally pardoned, but must GTFO of the country and leave politics entirely"

Such an option was offered to him and was refused.

landdate 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Practically, focusing on the things you can change (mostly small scale evils in your community) will have the highest degree of positive effect, rather than focusing on stuff you are bombarded with online that is out of your control (mostly large scale evils).

However, don't think you get vindicated from duty just because the task is impossible. You are as just as much responsible for yourself, your family, your friends, your community, as you are responsible for the person living on the other side of the globe. Whatever you decide to do with that information is up to you, but you will suffer with any of those who suffer, whether that be in life or death. Only the delusional think they can escape righteous judgment.

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stouset 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Righteous judgment according to which set of beliefs? Only the delusional are certain about anything that happens in the afterlife.

paganel 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> ? Or the rates of inflation, crime and unemployme

A proletarian revolution would be a good start, not sure what this ideologue writer was on about. History is far from having ended, change can still happen through the union of individual wills.

danaris 3 hours ago | parent [-]

But how do you start a proletarian revolution?

It's all well and good to say "this collective action would change the bad status quo", but even if you're 100% correct, unless you can point to ways to work toward said collective action, it's still pretty useless. You're not actually helping to change the bad status quo.

inigyou 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

History shows that a revolution can only be started by a group of potential elites who hope to displace the current elites.

Npovview 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You plan to do nothing about them.

Here's another example, let's say we got the news from Andromeda galaxy that Andromeda Hitler is killing lot of people? What do you expect me to do ? Since space and time are equal, similarly we don't lose sleep over bad events that happened in the past.

rvba 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Middle East, inflation, crime and unemployment, preserving the natural environment, NATO, OPEC, the CIA, Iran

Not voting for republican part or candidates would fix a lot of those things, although I will probably be heavily downvoted for this since cryptobros like their low taxes at all costs.

mlrtime an hour ago | parent [-]

I won't downvote you , but voting D will not solve any of these problems.

inigyou 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

It would be a start. D isn't much better than R, but it is slightly better.

Although R really knows how to do politics - you see how they're all suddenly anti-Israel a few months before the midterms when most of the country is probably going to vote against Israel?

applfanboysbgon 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a weird quote. It reeks of pretentious pseudo-intellectualism. People vote for a government that does something very tangible about all of those things. The media influenced how Americans voted in the US election, and they voted for a guy that predictably started a major new war in the Middle East. That is a real thing that happened and has impacted billions of people globally with second-order economic effects. Is anything short of each individual American taking up arms and marching to Iran "doing nothing"?

devsda 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> People vote for a government that does something very tangible about all of those things

People don't do that.

Politics in US(and democracies in general) have what I call the cable tv bundling problem.

Imagine you have only two bundle packages with your most preferred channels split evenly across two packages along with some unwanted channels. Regardless of which package you choose, you'll miss out on some of your favorite channel and still subscribe to unwanted ones.

You may enjoy watching a channel occassionally at your neighbors who subscribed to the other package but when it is time for renewal, you personally pick the package that gives you maximum bang for your money & preferences.

People will vote mainly based on one or two issues they strongly feel about.

simonask 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The US is a statistical outlier in almost every single metric. Almost nothing about the US generalizes, not to the world as a whole, and not to other Western countries. Certainly not to functioning liberal democracies.

kristiandupont 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The US suffers from Duverger's Law which means that any vote for anything other than one of the two big parties is wasted. In my country, we currently have 17 different parties, each with different variations of policies. Some are outliers, but many of them have or have had power to some degree over the years. Your cable-tv problem still exists, but to a much smaller extent.

anon7725 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In this case, one of the packages is uninspiring and the other is fascism, so the choice is fairly clear.

dokyun 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

inigyou 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

is he a fascist?

azzzxcc123 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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Paracompact 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My take on it is that he's not blaming people for the "doing nothing" part, but rather the fretting part. Of course most Americans can't reasonably do anything beyond vote or throw some dollars or social media sentiment at the thing. One should just take into mind that that is the limit of most people's ability to effect change.

threatofrain 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Which is enough to make the rest of the world hold their breath, waiting to see what the sum of little choices will be.

SpicyLemonZest 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People vote for such a government very rarely - in the US, about once every two years. I don't think anyone would object to you spending a week or even a month before the election learning a large amount about what's wrong in the world. But when you go into the voting booth on November 3 this year, do you expect your choices will be at all influenced by the details of the bad news you read on June 21?

inigyou 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Candidates don't find it difficult to express the most popular opinions in the short time before an election. You really do have to know what they did previously if you want to correctly evaluate them.

applfanboysbgon 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Candidates don't pop up out of nowhere on election day, and building support for either candidates or policies takes time, public debate, raising awareness. All of that is a reason for more political engagement, not less. Given how much power we actually wield to significantly influence how issues are approached in a democracy, we should strive to make more constructive use of the news. There are real, deep-seated problems with both the current media and how people consume it, but we have a civic responsibility to do better rather than disengage, because quite literally the fate of millions of people are influenced by the sum of our actions.

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cryo32 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s not really.

The peekaboo world, elegantly described, gives you enough information or misinformation to make an uninformed decision.

You vote for who you were told to vote for.

joshrw 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It wasn’t predictable that he would start a war.

He presented himself as the anti-war candidate and then betrayed his electorate.

simonask 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From outside the US, nothing about him has really been predictable, except that he consistently lies about everything.

The only predictable thing about this American presidency is the total chaos that has been inflicted on the world by millions of intellectually degenerate Americans. This is what the world sees. Almost nobody is making excuses for him, everybody is trying to move on without the US.

So yeah, in that sense another war is simultaneously an unpredictable outcome and an unsurprising outcome.

inigyou 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How many wars and military actions did he start in his first term? How many times did he do the opposite of what he said he did? The specific case is unpredictable, the general pattern isn't.

cryo32 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real question is should you have trusted his manifesto after the last time?

torben-friis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

During his first term, his continuous threats to north Korea were enough to force congress to restrict presidential powers (the whole fire and fury stuff), and that's not counting Venezuela, Syria and others.

N_Lens 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was evident to anyone aware and paying attention.

constantius an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with this. What was certain and predictable was that Harris was a war candidate (the Democrats presided over the first year of genocide and were intending to continue).

MAGA was going to be bad in some way, but the Democrats were very bad in very known ways, so voting for whoever was at least saying they were against war was the rational decision for anyone who cared about not having genociders at the helm of the state.

inigyou 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Both Harris and Trump were identical in that respect, so it shouldn't have swayed your decision.

krapp an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>MAGA was going to be bad in some way, but the Democrats were very bad in very known ways, so voting for whoever was at least saying they were against war was the rational decision for anyone who cared about not having genociders at the helm of the state.

This implies that Donald Trump/Republicans weren't pro-Zionist and didn't support Israel which is obviously untrue.

The truth is there was no "non-genocide" candidate between the two parties and pretending otherwise - particularly by voting for Trump - was simply self-delusion.

krior 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Since January 6th it was clear that he would be willing to secure his power in any way. The most obvious way in america is to start a war.

And even if noone could predict that - the worst part is all the Americans sitting by, twiddling thumbs after seeing Trump making the whole world worse. You are the loudest "democracy" on the planet, but noone demands the necessary accountability from the dear leader. Democracy does not only happen on election day.

danaris 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you paid attention to his actions while in office, rather than a selection of his words while on the campaign trail, it was pretty clear he wasn't in the least bit interested in being a "peace president;" he just wanted the Nobel Peace Price because Obama got one.

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ReptileMan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On the other hand - you may not choose a whether a president will start a war in the middle east, but Trump's cost was abnormally low compared to his predecessors in one very important area - soldier's coffins coming home. His adventurism may have had substantial financial costs, but is better than Bush or Obama on deaths while in combat.

Trump is unhinged enough to not care about sunk cost fallacy. The deal is still terrible though.

foxglacier 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You'd have trouble finding a candidate who wouldn't predictably start a major war in the middle East. Biden and Trump 1 were kind of exceptions. Kamala certainly seemed pro-war-in-the-middle-East with her support for Israel, so she's out. Who did you vote for instead?

watwut 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Frankly, bullshit. Harris did not seemed more pro war or aggressive, unless you live in deep conservative bubble.

pjc50 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The slight problem here is that the war was started by Netenyahu, whom US voters are unable to remove. But yes, I doubt Harris would have gone for the decapitation strike that destabilized everything.

defrost 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Netenyahu has been pushing the "Iran is building a nuke; they're literally a week away" line for decades.

Trump and the day drinker were the first senior US officials to take that seriously - Trump kicked that off by neutering a working and workable international agreement that capped HEU levels and allowed routine inspection and on site monitoring agreement, with more stupidity following.

Harris, and most other "traditional" (non MAGA) candidates typically follow the advice of the core military and intelligence services; it's unlikely any career politician would have jumped into open assault on either alleged drug boats or Iran.

krior 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is Netanyahu now an official representative of the american government?

watwut 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

War was started by Trump, Hegseth and Netenyahu. Hegseth specifically wants wars for emotional reasons - it makes him feel good.

America has a lot of Iran hawks, especially in goverment/military circles. They got their way.

foxglacier 3 hours ago | parent [-]

See what I mean? America keeps starting wars in the middle east. Go back further in time and it was Obama, then Bush, then a little bit of Clinton, then the other Bush. It doesn't matter who or what party they're in, they mostly end up doing it anyway. No reason to think Harris would be anything different, especially considering her statements of promising military support to Israel.

saulapremium 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It sounds like you are trying to both-sides away the fact that Trump (or "Trump 2", if you insist) is an outlier here. US support for Israel has been pretty invariant over the years but nobody went along with Bibi's wet dream until now.

voxl 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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userbinator 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Congratulations, you are everything that's wrong with politics these days.

unethical_ban 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The two party system is what's wrong with politics, along with social media, bad faith political advocacy, and the GOP.

metabagel 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is close to correct. We should be aware of current events but not become too emotionally involved with them. They are mostly outside of our control, and we need to reserve most of our focus and emotional energy on what is front of us and our loved ones. However, we should still act on behalf of greater causes with the means at our disposal. Some examples...

world in crisis - I donate to World Central Kitchen

the war in Ukraine - I donate to Come Back Alive

fascism in America - I vote for and donate to the campaigns of candidates opposed to fascism

chadcmulligan 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"We should be aware of current events" - should we? Why? There is an avalanche of current events, I've stopped paying attention and I still find out - its impossible to avoid, I see absolutely no value in paying attention to things that I'm just not interested in. War in Iran - yep, battle of the stupids - it just doesn't matter, there is nothing I can do about it, best to ignore it all. I have friends obsessed with the news, wake up in the morning and watch the news during breakfast - they discuss it endlessly, get a lot of angst from it, its all just noise to my mind.

tlavoie 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Doing what you feel necessary or useful at a local scale is still empowering. Understanding that the effects will be mostly local as well is a good thing, but choosing your battles is perfectly healthy.

watwut 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cause people unaware of those events vote to cause those events.

forthefuture 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Large groups of people all contributing small amounts towards a goal none of them could accomplish on their own is the only way any of those things ever get done.

chadcmulligan 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, but that has nothing to do with watching the news though, I would put it paying attention to the news actually takes time from things you could do.

shreddude 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you for your donations. World Central Kitchen is a really unique organization. In addition to feeding people in Ukraine, Gaza, and pretty much anywhere in the world where disaster strikes, they have a very unique model in which they employ locals and feed cash into in local businesses, generating economic impact to jumpstart the shattered economies in disaster zones. Your donations actually make a bigger difference than you might realize.

appplication 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was recently massively downvoted on Reddit because I mentioned I didn’t really care about candidates stances either way on Israel/Palestine as it regards to a city-level election. I certainly have opinions and understand why folks have principles either way, but we can’t make every issue the issue we spend our energy on, and this doesn’t meet the bar for me for a city official.

Sometimes online and election media discourse can feel like we’re supposed to be single issue voters on 1000 issues at once.

ViscountPenguin 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Israel Palestine single-voterism is particularly frustrating to me because of the weird way it has to infect completely irrelevant topics. As a particularly crazy example, I remember people arguing about Israel Palestine in the context of the Australian Aboriginal Voice to Parliament debate, a debate about an internal representation mechanism for Australian Aboriginal people, incredibly few of which have any ties to either Israel or Palestine, and a group which I considerably doubt represent a single soldier on either side.

bonesss 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That’s a feature, not a bug.

Historically that tactic is used by ‘revolutionary’ and ‘liberation’ and reactionary groups to overwhelm and exclude honest debate. It’s a destabilization technique, aimed at gathering critical mass for revolt with no clear second phase. Occupy, overthrow, liberate, replace…

Taken at face value, honest protest, it’s a hate crime against the victims and participants in the actual situation: these chaos agitators steal the cause for noise and invest in perpetual purity and polemic campaigns, it only hurts the victims, but enables eternal grievance politics for the agitators.

Spray painting Nazi slogans on American universities isn’t helping diplomacy half the world away. Flotillas without aide aren’t aide.

The propagandists involved are not dumb, they are funding very tactically. The point is not convincing or helping anyone, it’s establishing political dominance and orthodoxy. Mob rule.

inigyou 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Flotillas without aide aren't aide.

Is this referring to the flotilla full of food sailing towards Gaza that was invaded and kidnapped by Israeli pirates inside the national waters of Greece?

inigyou 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I lived in 1930 I would definitely care about a city candidate's stances on Germany/Judaism. Even though that candidate couldn't do anything to affect the Germany/Judaism situation, it would still tell me a lot about that candidate.

cryo32 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We have the same problem in the UK. Local councils went all in on the Palestine thing when their job is basically collecting trash, roadworks, planning and education.

I can’t realistically vote a candidate in who doesn’t talk about trash collection but does talk about Middle Eastern politics.

fn-mote 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In my ideal world, explaining this stance would be a part of democracy.

It’s an uphill battle vs a tribal mentality, though.

Spooky23 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It has nothing to do with Israel or Palestine really. That’s because many Jewish people in the US have had it hammered into their heads, usually through political messaging delivered adjacent to religious practice, that this type of activity is essential to the survival of Israel and of themselves.

It’s the same playbook successfully used with evangelical Christian groups and now even some Catholics. Latinos literally vote for people whose stated aim is to round them up. The technique is fear endorsed by a trusted leader or in a sacred place.

If the political person says the thing they are supposed to say, they’re safe. Otherwise, they want to destroy your way of life.

qsera 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>We should be aware of current events

I have come to the conclusion that there is no way a layman understand the truth about current events. So it is best to not at all be aware of any current events as reported by the media or popular opinion.

For example you say "fascism in America", and I wonder is this guy for real? Fascism? If this was true how are all the people who insult Trump on social media still alive or not locked up?

So imagine if you were running a new outlet. All of your readers will unquestioningly accept your flawed narrative! And imagine there are multiple of such flawed/biased news outlets.

There is no way to know the truth. This is painfully clear when you read stuff in the news that you have first hand knowledge about...There is some name to the fallacy of why people still believe in news despite that...

cocacola1 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If there’s no way to know the truth, how do you know you’ve come to the right conclusion?

qsera 6 hours ago | parent [-]

What conclusion? I am talking about not having any conclusions at all.

cocacola1 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> *I have come to the conclusion* that there is no way a layman understand the truth about current events. So it is best to not at all be aware of any current events as reported by the media or popular opinion.

qsera 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That is a conclusion that is arrived over course over long time and many experiences/thought. It is not a news or blog article I read once and made me conclude it.

XorNot 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

Have you considered that maybe most of the posters on this website weren't born yesterday and have also spent a lifetime absorbing facts from many sources and experiences?

In fact most people have, in some way.

inigyou 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You concluded that America is not fascist.

jwiz 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think he means the conclusion you were talking about when you said "I have come to the conclusion..."

inigyou 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you know Hitler was the president of Germany for about ten years before he started the holocaust?

Was he a fascist during that time?

xorcist 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fascism is a way overused term. Personally I tend to avoid it unless we're seeing paramilitary forces shooting civilians in the face. Other people may have lower thresholds.

alextingle 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> how are all the people who insult Trump on social media still alive or not locked up

I think you'll find that some of them actually are locked up, and a few of them are dead.

Hikikomori 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So it can't be fascism or be close it it until we have fully operational death camps?