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| ▲ | tirant 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Limiting your family size is a lazy, short term solution. Having a bigger family and teaching them the right values is a much stronger and long term approach. | | |
| ▲ | onion2k 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | In a world where the brightest minds are paid to intentionally develop tools to make people betray their values (advertising, propaganda, rolling news, etc), I'm not sure anyone should feel safe about what they teach their kids. Many industries, but especially tech, will do everything possible to make them do whatever makes a few dozen people richer. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The best thing an individual can do against, say, the advertising industry, is to become an important person in an advertising marketplace and then destroy it. You spend 30 years to become CTO at Google and then you set the billing system to charge every customer $1,000,000, right before you drop an EMP in the biggest DC. |
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| ▲ | gchamonlive 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The only thing you can do to hurt the powers that be is not buying. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There are things that could hurt them a lot more than ignoring them. | | |
| ▲ | JKCalhoun a minute ago | parent [-] | | You're being coy. Perhaps someone should clarify though that most of us are looking for legal means to rattle the shackles of our (Tr/B)illionaire overlords. |
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| ▲ | seba_dos1 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can be done too. I live in a rather big city, so I don't own a car, as I can perfectly go by using public transport. | | |
| ▲ | retired 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Only if you limit your work and social life to that particular city. Not something most people want to do. | | |
| ▲ | IneffablePigeon 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are many places in the world this is not true. I would say about half the people I know who live in London don’t own a car. They travel plenty - probably more than the people I know who don’t live in London. If they really need a car once they get to their destination they will rent one, or use taxis. | | |
| ▲ | retired 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | For The Netherlands you are really constricted to the city you live in if you don’t own a car. You can forget about going to a concert, a birthday party or catching an early flight without one. Or if you want to do anything fun on a Sunday in the east. Most people I know have a social life or do sports that require a car. If your children play football you really need a car. Last time I used a taxi in The Netherlands it was €210 for a 40 minute ride, that is reserved for the very wealthy. London is a well connected metropole with 15 million people, not really comparable to most cities. Edit, reply to Alex as I am rate limited with my comments: Please tell me how I can cycle the 60 kilometers from the airport to my home at 23:00 with a rolling carry-on suitcase. Renting a car is around €50 for a night out. And you need to reserve way in advance which is not great for spontaneous trips. Car ownership becomes cheaper and more convenient very quickly. I did car renting and after a couple of €1000/month bills I went back to car ownership. Renting a bus for the sports team is a lot more expensive than using the parents cars which are at no cost to the club. Reply to consp: You need the cars for football matches as public transport doesn’t get you there. The fields are outside of cities and matches are in the weekend when public transport is very limited. | | |
| ▲ | tremon 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You can forget about going to a concert [..] or catching an early flight without one Those are really bad examples. Quite a lot of venues are easier to reach by public transport than by car, e.g. Carré, Luxor, Tivoli, Diligentia, Vera; even Pinkpop provides a dedicated shuttle service. And Schiphol has 24h train service, nobody cycles to the airport unless they work there. | |
| ▲ | alextingle 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > in The Netherlands it was €210 for a 40 minute ride That's much more than taxis cost in the UK, and pretty expensive even for the Netherlands. You have great cycling infrastructure, and public transport though. Renting a car is an affordable alternative to ownership, if you need to go to occasional concerts or birthday parties, and public transport happens to be inconvenient for your specific destination. I did that for years - the rental company would deliver and collect from my workplace, so it's super-easy. > If your children play football you really need a car. A friend of mine used to ferry his son 1000s of km per year to ice-hockey matches around the country, so I know what you mean. I don't understand it though - if the whole team is travelling, why don't they just rent a bus? Personally, I don't think it's healthy for a child's hobby to consume so much of the parents' time - of course, your choice. | |
| ▲ | inigyou 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Doesn't everyone bike everywhere in the Netherlands? | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | He obviously was talking about long distance trips, not just daily grocery shopping to the nearest supermarket. |
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| ▲ | consp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don't need a car for football matches. You need a car for convenience because [fill lazy reason]. And if one person rents a van you can take half the team... |
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| ▲ | ben_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Depends on the public transport network where you live. I used to work with someone who commuted from London to Cambridge (yes, that way around). And in Berlin, someone else who commuted from half way to Poland. Won't work everywhere, e.g. from what I saw when visiting I don't foresee US cities rapidly integrating enough good public transport to properly replace cars within themselves, and from what I've heard about how municipal organisation works in the US even less so for a convenient and well integrated intercity network, but it can be done. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | halfway from Berlin to Poland is like a 30 minute ride on regional train. It's quite close to the border. | | |
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| ▲ | svrtknst 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You can use public transportation, bikes, car pooling, taxis and rentals for your rare-use needs, and its usually cheaper than owning and operating a vehicle. | |
| ▲ | alextingle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'd say that the vast majority of people who live in a city both work, and socialise almost exclusively there. | | |
| ▲ | retired an hour ago | parent [-] | | Unfortunately not. Average distance to work is 19,9 kilometers. That is well outside the city they live in. Most people can’t afford to live in the city they work in. In Amsterdam my entire team lived outside the city. |
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| ▲ | pepperoni_pizza 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Depends on which powers for each specific choice. Electric cars don't run on Saudi-Trump-Putin juice, so they're pretty good step in screwing those, for example. | | |
| ▲ | Gibbon1 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The difference between solar+batteries and oil and gas is the former is a durable good and latter are consumables. |
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| ▲ | numpad0 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think producing and consuming like crazy could also work, considering how quickly Twitter turned Elon Musk from most important to least interesting figure on Earth. Wealth and sensory capacity don't appear to be positively correlated at all. |
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| ▲ | pjc50 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Everyone's contribution is insignificant, and yet it all adds up. This is rather like saying the average player in a football match scores 0 goals, therefore 0 goals were scored. | | | |
| ▲ | Gud 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Even so, an electric car is not particularly good for the environment. Bicycles and public transportation. | | |
| ▲ | uberex 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Bicycles and public transportation are better yes. If I were healthy enough I would consider a cargo bike and bring 20kg of shopping home on that (for real). It would be cool. Then buses for unladen journeys. | | |
| ▲ | tirant 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If the cargo bike is electric, the threshold for healthy enough lowers significantly. My weekly shopping for a family of four is done on one like that, which I can park like 50cm away from the shop door and 50cm away from my home front door. That’s even more convenient than any car. | | |
| ▲ | retired 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I hope you understand that you are in a very privileged position to be able to afford that lifestyle. Not everyone can do that. | | |
| ▲ | lukan 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Are you claiming owning a cargo bike is a bigger privilege than owning a car? Problem with cargo bikes are, if you are living in a flat where you cannot "park" them, you mean this? | | |
| ▲ | retired 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The lifestyle I refer to is living in a bike friendly city, being able to afford a multi-thousand euro cargo bike and having secure storage for it. OP also appears to live in a house with a yard on top of that. That lifestyle is reserved for very high earners. Edit, reply to Lukan as I am rate limited with my comments: I’m sure that those people you saw in Leipzig and Berlin are global 5% earners, maybe even 1%-ers. That is a very luxurious lifestyle that not many can achieve. Edit 2, again to Lukan. My point still stands that the Germany lifestyle is very luxurious compared to the rest of the world. And even in Germany, you need a decent income if you want to live in a high density city. | | |
| ▲ | lukan an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | "Edit 2, again to Lukan. My point still stands that the Germany lifestyle is very luxurious compared to the rest of the world." I never debated that. "And even in Germany, you need a decent income if you want to live in a high density city." But this is not correct. You can get a 4 room apartment in Leipzig for 750 € a month (but of course you won't be the only one applying). Also you may want to email dang about your rate limitation. Your recent comments seem fine enough to me to fix that. | | | |
| ▲ | lukan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Edit, reply to Lukan as I am rate limited with my comments: I’m sure that those people you saw in Leipzig and Berlin are global 5% earners, maybe even 1%-ers. That is a very luxurious lifestyle that not many can achieve." I am pretty sure they are not, I don't just see them, but also speak with them. But normal approach is not compare "global 5% earners", as probably all of germany would fall into that bucket, but compare locally.
So can a normal german household afford them? And the answer is yes. But if the household also needs a SUV and a garage for that, then maybe not. But I was talking about people who cannot afford their own house. And they could afford a cheap car - or a cargo bike. | |
| ▲ | lukan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hm. Maybe visit a city like Leipzig or Berlin? Lot's of cargo bikes - some do belong to high earners, but most do not. Finding a suitable place to rent with secure storage is hard, but most old houses for example do have a big enough entrance house floor, where the bike can stand and this is what people do. Otherwise bike sheds in front of the house are becoming standard as well. |
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| ▲ | alextingle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What?? On what planet is getting your groceries on a bike "more privileged" than driving? |
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| ▲ | inigyou 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why 20kg? I could stop by the supermarket every day and get what I can carry in one or two bags. |
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| ▲ | XorNot an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is literally oil industry propaganda. | |
| ▲ | retired 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You don’t even need bicycles if you design a city correctly. |
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| ▲ | numpad0 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | yeah, the real carbon footprint of especially non-wimpy EVs remains to be seen. EV recycling seem to be as real as gasoline from algae, the slides look beautiful but all mysteriously fail to take off. |
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