| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 7 hours ago |
| This is a weird quote. It reeks of pretentious pseudo-intellectualism. People vote for a government that does something very tangible about all of those things. The media influenced how Americans voted in the US election, and they voted for a guy that predictably started a major new war in the Middle East. That is a real thing that happened and has impacted billions of people globally with second-order economic effects. Is anything short of each individual American taking up arms and marching to Iran "doing nothing"? |
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| ▲ | devsda 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > People vote for a government that does something very tangible about all of those things People don't do that. Politics in US(and democracies in general) have what I call the cable tv bundling problem. Imagine you have only two bundle packages with your most preferred channels split evenly across two packages along with some unwanted channels. Regardless of which package you choose, you'll miss out on some of your favorite channel and still subscribe to unwanted ones. You may enjoy watching a channel occassionally at your neighbors who subscribed to the other package but when it is time for renewal, you personally pick the package that gives you maximum bang for your money & preferences. People will vote mainly based on one or two issues they strongly feel about. |
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| ▲ | simonask 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The US is a statistical outlier in almost every single metric. Almost nothing about the US generalizes, not to the world as a whole, and not to other Western countries. Certainly not to functioning liberal democracies. | |
| ▲ | kristiandupont 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The US suffers from Duverger's Law which means that any vote for anything other than one of the two big parties is wasted. In my country, we currently have 17 different parties, each with different variations of policies. Some are outliers, but many of them have or have had power to some degree over the years. Your cable-tv problem still exists, but to a much smaller extent. | |
| ▲ | anon7725 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In this case, one of the packages is uninspiring and the other is fascism, so the choice is fairly clear. | | | |
| ▲ | azzzxcc123 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | Paracompact 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My take on it is that he's not blaming people for the "doing nothing" part, but rather the fretting part. Of course most Americans can't reasonably do anything beyond vote or throw some dollars or social media sentiment at the thing. One should just take into mind that that is the limit of most people's ability to effect change. |
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| ▲ | threatofrain 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which is enough to make the rest of the world hold their breath, waiting to see what the sum of little choices will be. |
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| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People vote for such a government very rarely - in the US, about once every two years. I don't think anyone would object to you spending a week or even a month before the election learning a large amount about what's wrong in the world. But when you go into the voting booth on November 3 this year, do you expect your choices will be at all influenced by the details of the bad news you read on June 21? |
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| ▲ | inigyou 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Candidates don't find it difficult to express the most popular opinions in the short time before an election. You really do have to know what they did previously if you want to correctly evaluate them. | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Candidates don't pop up out of nowhere on election day, and building support for either candidates or policies takes time, public debate, raising awareness. All of that is a reason for more political engagement, not less. Given how much power we actually wield to significantly influence how issues are approached in a democracy, we should strive to make more constructive use of the news. There are real, deep-seated problems with both the current media and how people consume it, but we have a civic responsibility to do better rather than disengage, because quite literally the fate of millions of people are influenced by the sum of our actions. | |
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| ▲ | cryo32 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s not really. The peekaboo world, elegantly described, gives you enough information or misinformation to make an uninformed decision. You vote for who you were told to vote for. |
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| ▲ | joshrw 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It wasn’t predictable that he would start a war. He presented himself as the anti-war candidate and then betrayed his electorate. |
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| ▲ | simonask 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | From outside the US, nothing about him has really been predictable, except that he consistently lies about everything. The only predictable thing about this American presidency is the total chaos that has been inflicted on the world by millions of intellectually degenerate Americans. This is what the world sees. Almost nobody is making excuses for him, everybody is trying to move on without the US. So yeah, in that sense another war is simultaneously an unpredictable outcome and an unsurprising outcome. | |
| ▲ | inigyou 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How many wars and military actions did he start in his first term? How many times did he do the opposite of what he said he did? The specific case is unpredictable, the general pattern isn't. | |
| ▲ | cryo32 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The real question is should you have trusted his manifesto after the last time? | |
| ▲ | torben-friis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | During his first term, his continuous threats to north Korea were enough to force congress to restrict presidential powers (the whole fire and fury stuff), and that's not counting Venezuela, Syria and others. | |
| ▲ | N_Lens 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It was evident to anyone aware and paying attention. | |
| ▲ | constantius an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I agree with this. What was certain and predictable was that Harris was a war candidate (the Democrats presided over the first year of genocide and were intending to continue). MAGA was going to be bad in some way, but the Democrats were very bad in very known ways, so voting for whoever was at least saying they were against war was the rational decision for anyone who cared about not having genociders at the helm of the state. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Both Harris and Trump were identical in that respect, so it shouldn't have swayed your decision. | |
| ▲ | krapp an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >MAGA was going to be bad in some way, but the Democrats were very bad in very known ways, so voting for whoever was at least saying they were against war was the rational decision for anyone who cared about not having genociders at the helm of the state. This implies that Donald Trump/Republicans weren't pro-Zionist and didn't support Israel which is obviously untrue. The truth is there was no "non-genocide" candidate between the two parties and pretending otherwise - particularly by voting for Trump - was simply self-delusion. |
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| ▲ | krior 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Since January 6th it was clear that he would be willing to secure his power in any way. The most obvious way in america is to start a war. And even if noone could predict that - the worst part is all the Americans sitting by, twiddling thumbs after seeing Trump making the whole world worse. You are the loudest "democracy" on the planet, but noone demands the necessary accountability from the dear leader. Democracy does not only happen on election day. | |
| ▲ | danaris 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you paid attention to his actions while in office, rather than a selection of his words while on the campaign trail, it was pretty clear he wasn't in the least bit interested in being a "peace president;" he just wanted the Nobel Peace Price because Obama got one. | |
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| ▲ | ReptileMan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On the other hand - you may not choose a whether a president will start a war in the middle east, but Trump's cost was abnormally low compared to his predecessors in one very important area - soldier's coffins coming home. His adventurism may have had substantial financial costs, but is better than Bush or Obama on deaths while in combat. Trump is unhinged enough to not care about sunk cost fallacy. The deal is still terrible though. |
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| ▲ | foxglacier 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You'd have trouble finding a candidate who wouldn't predictably start a major war in the middle East. Biden and Trump 1 were kind of exceptions. Kamala certainly seemed pro-war-in-the-middle-East with her support for Israel, so she's out. Who did you vote for instead? |
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| ▲ | watwut 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Frankly, bullshit. Harris did not seemed more pro war or aggressive, unless you live in deep conservative bubble. | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | The slight problem here is that the war was started by Netenyahu, whom US voters are unable to remove. But yes, I doubt Harris would have gone for the decapitation strike that destabilized everything. | | |
| ▲ | defrost 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Netenyahu has been pushing the "Iran is building a nuke; they're literally a week away" line for decades. Trump and the day drinker were the first senior US officials to take that seriously - Trump kicked that off by neutering a working and workable international agreement that capped HEU levels and allowed routine inspection and on site monitoring agreement, with more stupidity following. Harris, and most other "traditional" (non MAGA) candidates typically follow the advice of the core military and intelligence services; it's unlikely any career politician would have jumped into open assault on either alleged drug boats or Iran. | |
| ▲ | krior 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is Netanyahu now an official representative of the american government? | |
| ▲ | watwut 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | War was started by Trump, Hegseth and Netenyahu. Hegseth specifically wants wars for emotional reasons - it makes him feel good. America has a lot of Iran hawks, especially in goverment/military circles. They got their way. | | |
| ▲ | foxglacier 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | See what I mean? America keeps starting wars in the middle east. Go back further in time and it was Obama, then Bush, then a little bit of Clinton, then the other Bush. It doesn't matter who or what party they're in, they mostly end up doing it anyway. No reason to think Harris would be anything different, especially considering her statements of promising military support to Israel. | | |
| ▲ | saulapremium 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It sounds like you are trying to both-sides away the fact that Trump (or "Trump 2", if you insist) is an outlier here. US support for Israel has been pretty invariant over the years but nobody went along with Bibi's wet dream until now. |
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