| ▲ | tornikeo 4 hours ago |
| So, we have:
- claude for corps and gov
- codex for devs
- grok for what, roleplay, racism? Those are the two things I've ever heard grok associated with around me. |
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| ▲ | sudb 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| So interestingly, I know of at least one application in a charity that deals with trafficking where grok was happy to do one-shot classification tasks where all other models refused to cooperate. I think there's a surprising number of actually useful applications in this sort of grey area for a slightly-less guardrailed, near-frontier model (also the grok-fast models are cheap!). |
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| ▲ | cameronh90 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Gemini especially has a habit of blocking my pretty mundane requests, claiming they’re attempts to jailbreak or create malicious code. Grok also does quite well at code reviews in my experience because it’s not so aggressively ”aligned”. | |
| ▲ | tomp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I couldn't get Gemini nor ChatGPT to do OCR of children's books (I literally own the books, so there's no copyright issue - all just fair use!). The OCR was complex enough (bad quality photos) that "simple" OCR models couldn't do it. Fortunately, Claude obliged (as well as Mistral OCR was helpful!) | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are lots of uncensored models out there. I don't think grok is leading in that front. They kind of pick and choose which things they want to support based on elons world views. Elon used to hang out with sex traffickers so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc... | | |
| ▲ | 1123581321 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | What are the leading uncensored models? How well do they perform for you? | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't use any but they do exist and there are scientific papers discussing them. I heard about them through r/localllama |
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| ▲ | Scroll_Swe 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >There are lots of uncensored models out there. Like what? Something as easy where normal people can login to a website and app and just use? | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't think companies are hosting them because imagine the liability. Could be wrong though. Again I don't know much about these things I just know they exist. | | |
| ▲ | Scroll_Swe 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes that is my point. It is the dropbox comment all over again. "Well you can just self-host to get uncencored same as Grok without NAZI!! Elon Musk!!" Just like you can spin up an FTP to get your own Dropbox. Well... very few people are going to actually do that. |
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| ▲ | spiderfarmer 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | user34283 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | We have been over the politically motivated slander many times; it's boring. The user above you could have explained what uncensored models he believes are more capable than Grok.
Maybe the Chinese open-weights models are superior to Grok at the moment. | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | derangedHorse an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > so of course grok is fine talking about it. Probably even offers strategies for them does free accounting has money laundering strategies etc... The slander comes in when you assume Elon knew and was complicit with their crimes to the point he'd intentionally normalize it as a discussion topic in Grok. You even went so far as to say it's willing to assist in committing crimes. | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | He is aware of the csam generation. He blamed the users and the official stance from his team was not to offer any fixes. That is the last I heard. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f... I do not see the slander. These are his viewpoints. He says him, grok, and his team aren't responsible for what users do. Other companies, countries and people feel differently about the responsibility for AI models generating csam for money. Grok and xais depictions of it are that it isn't woke and is maximally based and is politically incorrect by design. So yes, chosing to avoid being correct about policies like laws and avoid social norms lead me to believe that the generation of hate speech(some of which was illegal in certain localities), csam, etc are an expected outcome. Like Elon musk said, it's the users fault not groks. So I would not be surprised if it offered other illegal advice or helped criminals forward criminal activities. Especially more than has already been reported. Here are some of the crimes that grok is being implicated in as far as I know today:
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2026/03/03/number-of-ga... https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20251121-france-to-invest... https://www.robertkinglawfirm.com/mass-torts/grok-lawsuit/ https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/grok-maker-xai-face... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/musk-testifies-xai... Among others. I don't see that as slanderous. I see it as factual and an expected outcome for the stated goals of the product and the responses to the outcomes of the product itself by the company and its leadership. I legitimately do expect there to be more lawsuits and possibly criminal persecution against musk, xai, over grok and no I would not be surprised if the tool is currently being used for more crime. Especially given the response to the sexual crime allegations that have been made. I don't think Elon personally intends to normalize this. But I think that may happen anyways because I think the response was too soft. Yes I do think grok can be used to aid crimes and criminal activity like the many lawsuits and journalists currently suggest. I don't think grok is "willing" it's not a person. I know it currently has been implicated in generating material leading to the arrests of individuals. Which I would be very surprised if that was legal. https://factually.co/fact-checks/technology/grok-created-ill... |
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| ▲ | gadders 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | So did Bill Gates and Reid Hoffman. | | |
| ▲ | 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | sumeno 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, lots of billionaires were involved with the pedophile sex trafficker. They are all bad | |
| ▲ | Der_Einzige 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Elon, bill, Reid and Trump should share a prison cell. Democrats have no loyalty to their own sex offenders. Look how we treated the California governed candidate, or Anthony weiner, or literally every other sex pest found in our party. Some of them who didn’t even deserve it get canceled like Al Franklin. Diddling and then defending it and doubling down is literally a maga problem. | | |
| ▲ | gadders 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The Ashley Biden diaries were verified as real yet Biden remained in office. Clinton was an abuser and likely a rapist but remained in power. | | |
| ▲ | KaiserPro an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > Ashley Biden diaries Unless they contain allegations about Biden the president, or indeed other people then they are irellevent no? The point is, if someone is breaking the law, they should be in jail. This applies to Clinton, Biden, Trump, anyone. The point is the law is meant to be without fear or favour. The problem for us is that its been proven if you pour enough shit on the floor, you can get away with raping children. Given the whole point of Qanon was to oust the peadophile ring in washington, its a bit sad that we are now supposed to disregard all that and blindly accept billionarse not seeing justice. | | |
| ▲ | gadders an hour ago | parent [-] | | Obviously the intelligence material being gathered was too valuable. |
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| ▲ | felixgallo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | someone stole Biden's daughter's diary, which revealed that she had battled a substance abuse problem in the past, and that's disqualifying to Biden exactly how? | | |
| ▲ | gadders an hour ago | parent [-] | | You know that's not the problematic text. Nice try. She said herself that he had inappropriate showers with her. He's also been caught numerous times on official videos behaving strangely around children. |
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| ▲ | user34283 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | On Artifical Analysis it shows only Kimi K2.6 and Mimo V2.5 Pro as better. Those models are 1T parameters total and 30B or 40B active, this might make abliteration impractical. About Musk, yes, there is correspondence. The only confirmed meeting appears to be a 30 minute visit at Epstein's house together with Musk's wife at the time. As for photos you mention, a quick search tells me there is one photo of Musk and Maxwell at a 2014 Vanity Fair Oscar Party. I find most commentary on here and other platform like Reddit extremely exaggerated compared to what is actually confirmed. Users seem hellbent on linking Musk to pedophilia-related allegations. | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | mapontosevenths 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Elon publicaly claimed he had never corresponded with Epstein. that was a lie. When the documents were released they found several like thie one below. Saying things like "What day/night will be the wildest party on =our island?" [0] The "our" part is especially interesting as it implies he didnt just visit, but had an ownership stake. Other emails were found with Epstein making excuses to avoid having Musk visit, and Musks own child publically stated that the emails were authentic and aligned with her memory of the events. [1] [0] https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01762... [1] https://www.threads.com/@vivllainous/post/DUMBh2Vkk8D?xmt=AQ... | | |
| ▲ | user34283 an hour ago | parent [-] | | My searches have not turned up a result showing that Musk "claimed he had never corresponded with Epstein". Can you source this? If not, can you explain why you did not check it before you posted the inaccurate claim? | | |
| ▲ | mikeyouse an hour ago | parent [-] | | At minimum Musk repeatedly claimed that Epstein was the one reaching out trying to get Musk to visit his island, when in reality Musk was the one initiating and asking which nights would be the wildest parties. And after making plans to visit with his then-wife, when Epstein warned him that the ratio of women-to-men might upset Musk’s wife, Musk told Epstein it wouldn’t be a problem. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk... Musk has a long history of accusations (see the “I’ll buy you a horse” SpaceX lawsuit) as well as having fathered numerous children with women ~25 years younger than himself so not sure why you’d want to die on this particular hill. | | |
| ▲ | user34283 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I never heard about the horse related thing, that’s interesting, thanks. A long history? Another search tells me that apart from the mentioned accusation, there is only one WSJ article alleging sexual conduct with SpaceX employees. You asked why I take Musk‘s side in these discussions; it’s because I don’t think he’s a pedophile. Nothing I‘ve seen seemed convincing to me, and the arguments made online often were so laughably inaccurate and exaggerated as to border on blatant slander. |
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| ▲ | margalabargala an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You keep using that word, "slander". I do not think it means what you think it means. |
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| ▲ | Hfuffzehn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| From what I can gather Grok is not used for roleplay much. It is considered to inconsistant and crazy. People are mostly using GLM and Deepseek via API and Gemma4 and Mistral finetunes locally. It seems to me like the roleplay market is comparatively old and mature and users have developed cost consciousness and like models to follow their workflow/preferences. So something like Opus is liked for its smartness but considered too expensive and opinionated. Might be an interesting data point for how the other markets might develop in the future. |
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| ▲ | vel0city 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It ships with a roleplay feature. https://grok.com/ani | | |
| ▲ | standardly 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The grok companions still aren't available on Android :( Such a wasted market opportunity I'm not an anime person, but I thought the waifus were kind of endearing and seemed like a much better experience for casual prompting | |
| ▲ | Hfuffzehn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sure, but the best statistics about what models people are actually using when they can choose is probably from openrouter: https://openrouter.ai/apps/category/entertainment/roleplay | | |
| ▲ | cyanydeez 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | doesnt knowing about openrouter skew by self selection. | | |
| ▲ | Hfuffzehn an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yes, but that market is not b2b, less commercialized, more end consumer focused and more bring your own key. That's why I find it interesting. Anthropic is not interested in building a moat there and OpenAI has given up on their announcement of exploring it. So you can see end users making decisions. |
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| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That doesn't mean it's good at it |
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| ▲ | Scroll_Swe 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I use Grok as a chatbot for ERP yes. >:3 I also use it as a regular chatbot but on the free plan, they only allow Fast mode now, but it is still good for all kinds of queries. "racism", sure, you can call it that. Where would you rather live, what country? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq0SrR6XoXc https://youtu.be/ty_OdtKEY4U?si=0M3-sUltHTMqvSF6 Sure call me racist, cry and scream and bang your hands. You still would want to live in North/West Europe, NA or Japan/AUS rather than anywhere else in the world? |
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| ▲ | thibran 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So you are repeating narratives without checking them? |
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| ▲ | aembleton 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've tried Grok, Gemini and ChatGPT. There have been 2 times now where Gemini and ChatGPT confidently gave me an incorrect answer whereas Grok was correct. I'm now paying for Grok Lite or whatever it is $10 plan. The first question was around setting up timers for a Fox ESS battery in Home Assistant and disconnecting Fox ESS from the cloud. The second was around cornering speed in Sunnypilot and Frogpilot. Somewhat niche but if an AI is confidently telling you something wrong it's hard to work with. |
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| ▲ | agrounds 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >if an AI is confidently telling you something wrong it's hard to work with. But they all do that. It just comes with the territory. Grok will absolutely do the same thing another time you try it. | | |
| ▲ | aembleton 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Grok will absolutely do the same thing another time you try it. True; it's just not happened yet. It will at some point though. With the Sunnypilot example it right out told me that it is not possible on that fork which I appreciated. The others all seem to hallucinate some setting. | |
| ▲ | ToucanLoucan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is really, really genuinely concerning how many people think there are profound measurable differences between these things. Like yeah tonally I guess there are. But with regard to references and information? You’re literally just using three different slot machines and claiming one is hot. I suppose though I shouldn’t be that surprised then since Vegas and every other casino on Earth has been built on duping people in that exact way. | | |
| ▲ | aembleton 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > You’re literally just using three different slot machines and claiming one is hot. It's a fair point. I haven't tested many queries across them all and checked their answers, but if I want to ask one of them a question - right now its Grok just because I trust its answers more. | | |
| ▲ | ToucanLoucan 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's not a methodology problem, it's a test-ability problem. LLMs are not deterministic. You can ask the same question to the same LLM five times and you'll likely get at least 3 answers. Again. Slot machine. | | |
| ▲ | Ukv 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You can meaningfully test if one slot machine hits the jackpot more often than another, just that the methodology should involve a large number of repeats rather than a few anecdotes. There are some LLM leaderboard sites that do it with blind comparisons. |
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| ▲ | cyanydeez 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | humans make poor scientists. most people have already made a decision before they run any tests. the smartest among them just make the tests complicated and biased; the less intelligent just cherry pick. of course, would you really expect anyone to do real rsearch in this economy? |
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| ▲ | throwa356262 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There was an AI roundtable on HN front page 2-3 months back. Someone made an outlier analysis and put it on his github. Guess which LLM was the top outlier and about what type of questions it disagreed with all other LLMs... |
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| ▲ | coreyh14444 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you need to ask about what people on Twitter are talking about, Grok is really good for that obviously. I use it all the time for "what are the cool kids on twitter saying is the best tiling window manager these days" or whatever. Also, if you have a question that's borderline shady, Grok will often deliver. "Can you find a grey market Windows license site for me" etc. |
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| ▲ | ukd1 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | btw copy pasted your idea in to supergrok, and learnt about Niri! Great use case, thanks! | |
| ▲ | Havoc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Interesting use case! |
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| ▲ | karmasimida 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Grok for fact checking, I mean ironically |
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| ▲ | subscribed an hour ago | parent [-] | | TBF Grok on Twitter and Grok via api behave differently. The latt r is much better. |
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| ▲ | ndr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You should try all of them, then update your opinion about your information sources accordingly. |
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| ▲ | thinkingtoilet 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Or you should do your research and see that X built a datacenter that needed so much power so quickly they started using gas generators to power it. These emissions have destroyed a town of mostly poor black people. COPD, asthma, and other respiratory illnesses. AI foot print is already bad, I don't need to kill poor black people to use one. And before anyone gives me some whataboutism, if there are other examples of other companies doing this, educate us. | | |
| ▲ | 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | gordian-mind 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, producing energy can pollute. It's not out of hatred against "poor black people". What a pathetic way of seeing the world. |
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| ▲ | Keyframe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I always considered grok as also ran. Like grokipedia or what's the name. It has reach since it's free to an extent to produce low quality slop / spam. |
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| ▲ | augment_me 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Gemini not being on the list is criminal |
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| ▲ | SecretDreams 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No point in even trying to have close to a sensible discussion on this topic here. Musk-related posts seem to consistently get brigaded by his acolytes or bots. That and many HN users seem completely comfortable separating morality for what little progress "only Musk" can offer humanity, a la Wernher von Braun. |
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| ▲ | vrganj 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Grok for furthering the far-right filter bubble Elon has been hard at work building. |
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| ▲ | khalic 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And of course child porn | | |
| ▲ | pixel_popping 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's what it was doing. Like literally. Chatgpt it or Google it. Supporting grok is paying money to a csam generator. Edit I cannot reply to the post below me. I have gone entirely over to local models so I am paying zero dollars to any of the us defense contractors that are also tech companies. It's awesome. | | | |
| ▲ | khalic 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Grok was used to create CSAM | | |
| ▲ | pixel_popping 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | spiderfarmer 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Musk partied with Epstein. | | |
| ▲ | pixel_popping 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | tclancy 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | What’s the correlation between people defending Musk, Twitter and kiddie diddlers? | | |
| ▲ | pixel_popping 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know either, I don't see the correlation with X and Musk either, as if he is the one developing the platform and not thousand of workers and leaders. What does the CEO of a platform has to do with what people post on it? The CEO of HN is responsible for what you just posted? Kinda funny how people are selective about it, when you land on a website, you check who is in charge of it and for each CEO change you redo a decision? When you host your Postgres in the cloud, I hope you check as well who is in charge of Railway or Supabase, who knows? :/ | | |
| ▲ | spiderfarmer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | There's only thing I find sadder than untouchable billionaires that never see any consequences for their actions: the people who think they need to stick up for them. > What does the CEO of a platform has to do with what people post on it? That CEO is actively promoting political viewpoints (via his account, his platform and his AI model) that are detrimental to my country and the way I want to live my life. > When you land on a website, you check who is in charge of it and for each CEO change you redo a decision? No. But if the CEO is very publicly a first-class a-hole, chances are I'll hear about it and I'll actively avoid doing business with them. That goes for the car dealership in my village, as well as the websites I interact with. | | |
| ▲ | pixel_popping an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm not from the US so I don't really care, X is an international platform and almost all the content I see isn't US related (which kinda make me think that people should just set their account from outside of the US to just avoid this?), but from your point of view, it seems more of a disagreement of beliefs, wouldn't this reasoning apply for your beliefs as well? If the CEO of a certain platform was agreeing with your beliefs but 50% of the population don't, you are practically saying that people disagreering should boycott said platform, but isn't that how you just end discourse between people and create an echo-chamber? | | |
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| ▲ | spiderfarmer 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk... | | |
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| ▲ | gadders 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | simianwords 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How does Grok further far-right filter? This is blatantly untrue. Try prompting it and getting it to say something far right. Grok if anything reduces populism because fake claims can be debunked | | |
| ▲ | vrganj 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | How could MechaHitler possibly be far right... | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | When you really think about it palantir told me Hitler was good and therefore mechahitler aka grok should be a okay! | |
| ▲ | simianwords 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | vrganj 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure. And so was the Holocaust denial and the misinformation about the French 2015 attacks and so on and so on. Its just roleplaying being a far right propaganda tool. | | |
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| ▲ | gadders 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | vrganj an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't remember any far-left opinions being popular there. Was stuff like worker's revolution or public ownership of the means of production ever in the Twitter mainstream? | | |
| ▲ | gadders an hour ago | parent [-] | | Pretty sure you would get in trouble for saying men couldn't have babies on there. | | |
| ▲ | vrganj an hour ago | parent [-] | | What's liberal identity politics have to do with leftism? Liberalism is a center-right ideology. Us leftists are concerned with class issues, not identity issues. Focusing on identity is nothing but a way to distract from class. | | |
| ▲ | gadders 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Lol. Gender ideology is very much a policy of left wing parties. You may go for the One True Scotsman argument and say it's not proper leftism, and you may be right, but that doesn't stop it being policy. | | |
| ▲ | vrganj 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You think Lenin was into gender issues? You think Lenin wasn't a leftist? | | |
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| ▲ | fuzzylightbulb an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's why Musk and Trump and Shapiro and their ilk were complete nonentities on the platform before 2022 /s |
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| ▲ | drivingmenuts 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When I look at the person behind it all, I have to wonder how the hell people can even consider using grok? Or using Twitter? Or any of that. Using any of those things puts money in Musk's pockets and further enables and encourages him to continue being a Neo-Nazi wannabe. Do they think it's just a phase? |
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| ▲ | everfrustrated 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you drive BMW or VW car? Boy do I have news for you! | | |
| ▲ | breezybottom 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Go on...make your case | |
| ▲ | doctorhandshake 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Technically you could lump Ford in this category as well. But the meaningful delta IMO is time and direct ownership. None of those three are currently owned/operated by openly Nazi-aligned individuals / groups, which is not something I think you can claim about Tesla. |
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| ▲ | JeremyNT an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Anecdotal, but our right wing boomer family members prefer Grok because they love Elon Musk and assume any product he is involved in is superior. |
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| ▲ | khalic 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Lol. I think they unleashed it on this post, look at the number of only vaguely related, lukewarm opinions trying to push the racism and CSAM stuff to the bottom |
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| ▲ | nsowz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Grok is as progressive as any of the other models. Despite some of the highly-publicised fuck-ups, try asking Grok anything racist and see how it replies. Yes, I know you didn't try this and you won’t. |
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| ▲ | aqme28 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There is a lot of daylight in between “progressive” and “openly explicitly racist” | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? Or did they change focus to enhance their racism and propaganda vertical? Things move so quickly these days hard to keep up! | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? I'm not sure I see how that's possible, given their image/video generation seems to be heavily censored. Do they have some alternative product besides "Imagine" or whatever it's called, that people use for generating CSAM? Judging by https://old.reddit.com/r/grok (but I haven't validated it myself), it seems like people are complaining more about how censored the model is, than anything else, maybe that's not actually true in reality? There are image models out there with 0 restrictions, even available on HuggingFace or CivitAI, I'm guessing those are way more widely used for things like CSAM than any centralized platform with moderation. | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Please don't validate any of this personally that would be illegal. I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low. Though I am sure it is possible. Here are some links https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f... https://9to5mac.com/2026/02/17/eu-also-investigating-as-grok... Concerning. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Please don't validate any of this personally that would be illegal. Obviously, I assumed we all are familiar with our local laws to not unwittingly commit crimes here :) > I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low So probably a far cry from "holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM" given the amount of local alternatives available? Would be my guess at least, but obviously also hard to know for sure. > Though I am sure it is possible. How can you be sure of this? I've tried just now to get Grok to generate even sexually explicit material with adults, and it's unable to, all of the requests are getting moderated and censored. Are you claiming that instead of prompting "A man and a woman having sex" you put "A man and a child having sex" and then the moderation doesn't censor it? Somehow I find that hard to believe, but as you say, I'm not gonna test that either, so I guess we'll never know for sure. | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I have no idea what people are doing to get it to generate illegal content. I only know there are thousands of cases of it via articles about it. I have not, and will not use grok as a product. |
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| ▲ | addedGone 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Mistral will also tell you how to do ransoms btw from A to Z in automated ways, you are saying they are responsible? I don't get the mix here. | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. Can you send me a link from a reputable enough source where Mistral models have done this? I didn't even realize they were doing image generation. | | |
| ▲ | pred_ 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. At the same time, in this corner of the world, acting Minister for Justice (also known for trying to push through Chat Control), and NGO Save the Children, have been working to make legal the generation of CSAM for law enforcement use. So that would certainly make the industry legitimate, and you would already have a customer. https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringe... | | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think they key point here is "for law enforcement". That's a little different from "pay me 10 dollars and enjoy the felonies". I still don't feel good about that by the way. | | |
| ▲ | naasking an hour ago | parent [-] | | Would you feel good about completely fake CSAM if it actually reduced incidence of child molestation? | | |
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| ▲ | addedGone 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If I send you a convo I've had with Mistral and Claude Sonnet 3.7 that say atrocious things (how to scam, and get away with it, by exploiting dating websites in Thailand, you don't even want to know the next steps trust me when it talks about the UK incorporation by the Thai itself that you brainwash first to send packages safely without customs seizing it and so on), you'll then publicly recognize that both those companies should be avoided and are promoting crime? If we have a deal and you publicly acknowledge it, I'll share you the links. | | |
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| ▲ | Hamuko 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | But it's not doing any ransoms, right? Because Grok wasn't instructing users on how to create CSAM. |
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| ▲ | nsowz 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I didn’t say “progressive”; I said “as progressive”. | | |
| ▲ | aqme28 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't see how that changes my point at all. edit: to clarify for you, here's an example. Model A advocates for single-payer healthcare, while Model B prefers for the current US healthcare system. So on that one axis, A is more progressive than B. Neither of them needs to be racist for that calculation. |
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| ▲ | simianwords 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Can you share a prompt that can show how it is openly racist now? Lots of easy claims like this can be debunked | | |
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| ▲ | Der_Einzige 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Grok absolutely is fine with being very racist. Stop spreading lies on the internet. | |
| ▲ | SanjayMehta 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 100% agree. Grok may or may not be biased one way or the other as far as the US is concerned but from the rest of the world perspective it's mostly the same as any other model trained on Wikipedia. |
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