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palmotea 7 hours ago

Wow, that's pretty cheap compared to all the AI datacenters.

nerdsniper 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Note that it doesn't count the cost of second- or third- order effects (like the cost from the price of oil going up by 50%). Since February 28, crude oil prices increases cost $42 billion in the United States alone.

NooneAtAll3 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

to be fair US is net exporter now

oseityphelysiol 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Doesn’t matter much in this case as US consumerd are still affected by the price rise same way consumers in a non-exporter country would be.

I guess what matters is that the increase in revenue largely stays within the country, but that doesn’t help consumers directly.

voxic11 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

net exporter of petroleum products, US is still a net importer of crude.

epistasis 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Being a net exporter is completely irrelevant when prices are set globally. Such a statement is like shining a laser pointer to distract a cat, fun, but meaningless.

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newsclues 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You do realize some net exporters subsidize their domestic supply to keep the people happy?

epistasis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do I realize that? I know we pay a fuck ton of tax subsidies to oil extractors, but the only people keeping happy are the small "mom and pop" oil producers that eat up all that subsidy.

Prices are still set on the international market, that subsidy does not affect prices.

Or, do you have some other subsidy that brings down the prices that consumers in the US pay? If so, name it!

If President Trump–who is so deep in oil & gas special interests that he has decided that US Taxpayers need to pay nearly $1B to cancel a wind power project–is going to start doing export controls to keep oil prices down, well then he runs into the problem that we export and import a ton to get the right type of crude in our refineries. If he is going to start subsidizing oil consumption, well, my god we are in for a wild ride on the economy and deserve all the misery that it will bring.

alphawhisky 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That means they're passing the cost onto the whole world. The US is making this war everyone else's problem and it's ruining foreign affairs and good standing with the world.

cma 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not to mention datacenters were bombed and, for specifically AI ones, the in-construction Stargate was threatened.

howmayiannoyyou 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We increased export revenue by about $9b per month and may have changed the global energy supply chain to our benefit for decades.

mrits 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's so odd to me that people think the cost of oil going up is universally bad. It's good both morally for me and financially for many people.

hgoel 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The consequences to everyone that isn't as well fed as yourself are also good for you morally?

mrits 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Nothing keeps the people well feed like the inability to grow crops.

Detrytus 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Funny that you say that, because LNG exports from Persian gulf being blocked will result in fertilizer shortages and potentially a famine.

mrits 2 hours ago | parent [-]

More short term thinking

AlexCoventry 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think people are more concerned about the massive deindustrialization and famines which could result from the Strait of Hormuz being chaotically strangled, not the hit to their pocket books at the gas pump

joquarky 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's it like living without worry?

vixen99 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Me too. I'm surprised those in the Green Movements generally, haven't been celebrating. Not a whisper. Makes one wonder.

epistasis 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Green movements" look for a planned transition away from oil that doesn't cause worldwide economic disaster. The whole motivation is to prevent human suffering, not increase it.

That this makes you wonder indicates that you fundamentally misunderstand the entire point of environmental movements.

Further, even if there was "celebrating" how would you know? Are you involved with the groups politically working towards those ends? Perhaps you should question your information diet, rather than assuming that your information diet is representative of reality.

0cf8612b2e1e 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is nice to be rich. People in India and Asia are heavily reliant upon oil and gas coming through the strait. When prices shoot up by a multiple, guess what happens? The poorest people have to do without cooking gas. “Rationing” is a cute word to mean the poor take the hit on the chin.

There is enormous, real suffering hitting those who can least handle it.

Edit: I would add that those in the renewables industry are absolutely making lemonade off the situation. Energy analysts agree that short term profits will go up, but long term, everyone is going to be running to renewables. No country wants to have this existential fuel disruption risk hanging over their heads.

incrudible 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What are the second- and third order effects of the Marg Bar Amrika Society getting a nuclear device (and the missiles to deliver it)?

qsera 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is interesting.

Is the job of a leader (or the administration) to foresee threats before anyone else can see it coming? Is their job to make sure that it does not manifest?

It is interesting that when they does it, the majority is against it, precisely because no one else could see it and can agree with the action of the administration?

So it seems that if someone is a very good leader, they will be ridiculed by the very people they are trying to protect. I think this happens if the unit in question is a family, or a country.

I am not picking sides in the on going crisis. But just making an observation.

howmayiannoyyou 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly.

- Many cannot accept its dangerous world.

- Many don't understand that stewardship of nuclear weapons alone is a major undertaking that Iran cannot be trusted to manage. US & USSR alone has several near-miss detonations/launches.

- Many will refuse to accept solely because 'orange man bad'.

- Some are paid to criticize on influential online forums and HN makes no effort to moderate or police such activity.

Arodex 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I guess you will be first in line for the invasion of North Korea, then?

bigyabai 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Many cannot accept its dangerous world.

The ballistic missiles are the danger, and Iran already has those. There is no missile or reentry vehicle in Iran's possession that can credibly threaten the United States with a nuclear weapon.

> US & USSR alone has several near-miss detonations/launches.

According to Seymour Hersh, Israel was close to using their nuclear weapon as well. Why not focus on their disarmament first to deter Iranian retaliation?

> Some are paid to criticize on influential online forums and HN makes no effort to moderate or police such activity.

Please reread HN's guidelines if you don't want to be permabanned: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

   Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like.
_DeadFred_ 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yesterday the Iranian embassy in the UK called for attacks in the UK. Today there were stabbings. Iran likes to demonstrate that they can reach out a touch someone.

bigyabai 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Case in point. Clearly neither of those are nuclear-level threats, the IRGC and Mossad have both fomented public violence for decades at this point.

Their Tom & Jerry reenactment is not casus belli for the US or Europe. You'll note that no Article 4 has been invoked over Iran because it's not a legitimate security concern for any of NATO's members.

mrguyorama 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Remember when North Korea and Pakistan had to be prevented from developing nuclear weapons at all costs because they would obviously use them ASAP to kill as many people as they could because they were crazy?

Remember when multiple US administrations have internally pushed for nuking Korea and Vietnam, and yet we are apparently still allowed to have nukes?

Remember when Iran used to have a fully operational biological weapons program that they have dismantled as confirmed internationally.

Iran has enough Uranium to make bombs. The physics package that actually detonates things is not as hard as enriching Uranium in bulk.

Why hasn't Iran used a weapon of mass destruction yet in this almost existential war? I thought they were nuts? I thought they wanted to nuke all the infidels?

whatisthiseven 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Peace in that region of the world, since you can't just bomb Iran consequence free anymore?

MAD has had its virtues extolled, yet assume it won't work with another country because somehow they are even more irrational (if true). Even though that is exactly for whom the MAD strategy is designed and operates under.

It is only the build up of Iran getting a nuclear weapon that is used to go to war.

The game theory here seems rather simple, honestly.

And if Iran is seen as hostile, we need to look at the countries for whom the USA allies with and what wars they launched in the region. And they are plausible nuclear capable where their neighbors are not.

I think Israel is currently a larger aggressor, literally flattening more towns through demolition.

stickfigure 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> Peace in that region of the world

...wat? You mean like the peace that Iran exports to the region, and the peace that all those protesters experienced a few months ago?

jjk166 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Probably comparable to North Korea getting a nuclear device and the missiles to deliver it.

energy123 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This superficial analogy comes up a lot but these two states don't share anything in common aside from internal repression. They're diametrically opposed in their external behavior.

Look at a small sampling of Iran's external actions in the region through the Quds force. The hundreds of thousands of Syrians killed by Hezbollah or the almost 300k dead in Yemen due to the Houthis. Iran's actions in 2019-2022 against CENTCOM bases in Iraq and elsewhere. The puppet Iraqi president propped up by PMF.

North Korea doesn't do anything like this until very recently when they started sending troops to invade Ukraine. They don't organize their state around an expansionist death cult ideology.

NK doesn't behave different due to owning a nuclear weapon. Before the 1990s they were like this too.

jjk166 6 hours ago | parent [-]

North Korea routinely attacks South Korean and US assets in its area like the sinking of Cheonan. North Korea is strongly allied with its other neighbors China and Russia.

Iran is not organized around an expansionist death cult. They have not expanded or attempted to expand at all. They are involved in lots of neighboring conflicts because they are in a region with lots of conflicts. We are also involved in lots of conflicts there.

There is no possible closer comparison for a nuclear Iran than nuclear North Korea.

energy123 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It's so despicable and dishonest what you're doing equating NK's support for nation states to Iran's support for Quds proxies that receive thousands of missiles and rockets directly from Iran, hijack the sovereignty of the countries they're inside of, worship the Iranian leader as a pope-like figure, assassinate rivals domestically and kill hundreds of thousands of people. Liar.

cindyllm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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jjk166 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's despicable and dishonest to pretend they're different in a relevant way. You can hate Iran till your dying breath, but it has no bearing on the economic question.

mrits 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Does North Korea send missiles and drones to it's neighbors?

jjk166 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes. North Korea has a long history of exporting arms and missile technology to both its neighbors and further afield, including to Iran.

Teever 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the bigger question that you should be asking is what is America going to do for the next 5 years without the stockpile of munitions that the just burned through.[0]

China has every incentive to goad Israel or Iran into starting another round in this conflict so that America will deplete even more missiles. Iran destroying one of these[1] and an AWACS should startle everyone and with the right supplies from China Iran has the capacity to take out even more of them.

So if in two months this conflict heats up again and we're looking at half of these radar systems destroyed and minimal amount of missiles available, would you consider it well worth it?

Because that's a very plausible scenario and I'm very concerned about what the world will look like by the end of the summer if that comes to pass.

[0] https://www.csis.org/analysis/last-rounds-status-key-munitio...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TPY-2_transportable_radar#

convolvatron 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the right question to ask is how much worse is the situation now that tensions have been radically escalated without any meaningful path towards Iranian disarmament.

mc32 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Compare the costs associated with keeping US troops in NKorea to contain that threat.

dashundchen 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Who shredded the 2015 agreement with Iran that had stopped them from enriching more uranium?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/04/29/science/iran-...

Oh wait, that the Trump and his war criminal friends. They make the problem, blame it on someone else, and then claim they fixed it while making life worse for everyone else. Meanwhile Trump and his corrupt oligarch cronies are profiting massively.

_DeadFred_ 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Flagged dead push back:

howmayiannoyyou 1 hour ago [dead] | root | parent | next [–]

Regurgitation of talking points doesn't change the irrefutable fact that the JCPOA only kicked the can down the road & Iran was cheating the entire time - as they now admitted during negotiations.

howmayiannoyyou 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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drnick1 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oil money flows back into the U.S. economy as a net exporter.

wak90 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Good thing the US economy is Chevron stock value and nothing else.

eirikbakke 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The data centers are being paid for by customers, who are receiving greater value from the products than they pay for them.

palmotea 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The data centers are being paid for by customers, who are receiving greater value from the products than they pay for them.

You seem to be assuming an always-rational market, run by the mythical homo economicus.

But as they say "the market can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent." You can't infer that a set of decisions is rational just because market participants made them.

swed420 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

LMAO would love to see that math

(which of course would need to account for the cost to the end user of constant rug-pulling, enshitification, github struggling to maintain one 9 of availability, privacy invasion, rampant mental health issues and political division from profit-based social media, etc)

epistasis 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is it? I don't think so.

palmotea 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Is it? I don't think so.

I mean, they're projecting $750 billion in 2026, and apparently they spent $450 billion on them last year: https://about.bnef.com/insights/commodities/ai-data-center-b....

$25 billion is like six datacenters worth of money: https://www.reuters.com/commentary/breakingviews/how-big-tec.... It's a drop in the bucket.

epistasis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

US Defense spending is bigger than that $1000 B per year, and on its way up to $1500B per year. I wouldn't consider a $25B operation a drop in the bucket of that larger number, it's a significant outlay that has been a huge cost to military readiness, massively depleting our precision munitions. We don't pay the manufacturers nearly enough to keep production lines up, and we are a decade away from being back to readiness again. It's going to take years to pay massive amounts to bring those up to scale.

$25B in a few months is also more than the average annual amount of military aid sent to Ukraine from the US, and the Trump administration considers this to not be a "drop in a bucket" either, and in fact a huge imposition that should not happen at all.

coralreef 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What was gained from it?

dylan604 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That could be asked of the data centers and the war

coralreef 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The data center money was private capital put up by individuals and corporations willingly. They are seeking to provide a product (compute) to paying consumers.

You can have an opinion on whether or not AI/data centers are worthwhile, but ultimately it wasn't made by your money.

dylan604 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They are using public utilities though, and that's the main issue people have at this time.

DonHopkins 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It successfully diverted attention away from the Trump-Epstein Files.

"Mission Accomplished"

mrits 6 hours ago | parent [-]

If that is the case why do I see this comment every 5 minutes?

qsera 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Yea, it is funny in /r/worldnews. Everytime Trump says something, there will be a thousand comments describing why everyone should ignore everything he says..

bigyabai 6 hours ago | parent [-]

If Ashli Babbitt hadn't listened to Trump, maybe she'd still be alive and enjoying life with her family today.