Is this the biggest Woosh of the year?

Contrary to windmills, which slows down the rotation of the earth.

Both of those are big wind tubine manufactres as well.

Isn't there Ansaldo Energia too?

You mean "clean coal", right? Of course it's clean, it's right in the name.

Unfortunately, we share the planet and the atmosphere with it.

I’d wager the US is self sufficient also in terms of renewable energies.

But it gets traded globally. That means if the price goes up in Asia, it also goes up in NA.

> The US (with Canada and Mexico) is self-sufficient with fossil fuel energy.

Oh boy can't wait for the reenactment of third reich intervening peacefully in czechoslovakia, for their own safety and wellbeing of course, and not at all for the resources they're hoarding, the filthy hoarders.

Sure, if we build out refining capacity for the next ten years. Then we're golden until we run out of the finite well of combustible dead algae. So if you think we can revitalize American manufacturing and resource processing starting now, and you're okay with those investments being worthless in a few decades, and you don't give a shit about rendering the planet significantly less habitable to human life, then yeah, we're totally self-sufficient with fossil fuels.

Or we could, you know, pull energy out of the air and sun, a strategy which will be viable until our star dies.

The US is unable to implement export controls so consuming less than it creates doesnt mean theres enough since producers will export if international prices are better

The feds have dropped their attempts to stop those from ongoing construction for now, but only one of those projects is complete.

CVOW is supposed to flow first power this month, but won't be done for ~a year, Empire Wind is also end of '26/early '27, Sunrise later in 2027.

Vineyard was completed this month, and Revolution is delivering power and targets completion over the next few months.

> if we keep telling them everyone believes in this stuff and your vote doesn't count and so on

I don’t know if you can fix lazy. Turning out new voters basically happens once a generation. The rest tell themselves tales that their vote could never matter, and in doing that, subtly endorse the status quo.

> in reality a minority of people in the US believe this is good.

I'm not convinced. The reason why many of these people don't vote is because they don't think Trump is that bad. They probably don't agree with everything, but that's true no matter who is in office.

63.45% voted last time. Thats not a minority.

Wind turbines are also miniscule compared to issues like pollution, land use, windows, and cats. Also you can track migration and turn them off at key times if it's a huge issue (this is part of the motivation for research I'm going to do later as part of my master's).

Wind turbines are an issue but approximately 0% of the 30% decline in US birds since the 1970s

Never thought about it, but that's a great point and comparison. From quick Google search: 365 million and 988 million birds die every year from window collisions (that's US alone). Windmills/turbines: 140,000 and 679,000. Then if you do per windmill vs. per building obviously the windmills are going to "win," but it's the absolute that would seem to matter in this case.

As you said, that has nothing to do with the actual preference for fossils vs. turbines, but a great point nonetheless.

And whales, don't forget the whales https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/26/trump-whale-...

and the noise causes cancer

We didn't even get the show trial!

This is comfortable doomerism. But it isn’t accurate. Moreover, it’s dangerous since the numpties who tend to believe it then politically disengage.

Pax Americana is doomed. What the USA looks like post-hegemony is TBD.

The land will be there. (most of) people will be there. What parent probably meant is losing everything good and positive United States of America represented in past 80+ years, internally and globally.

That is gone my friend, with the wind like a sulfuric fart, for good. US is becoming a global terrorist and enemy #2 of free world and certainly whole Europe (right after its biggest and only 'friend', russia which coincidentally keeps trying to make you a thing of the past). This comes from somebody who strongly believed in your role in global hegemony despite your numerous well documented fuckups in the past. All on the whims of one visibly mentally sick man, with absolutely nobody standing up to him despite nobody really believing in any of that bullshit. No principles, just plain greed and firm fuck-the-rest approach. Right now, if Europe needs a strong big ally it will be #1 China, and then... nothing.

The fact you voted him in, and he still has massive support, and there has been 0 overthrow attempts of the biggest traitor to US in its history tells me and everybody else in the world many things, but nothing positive. Even if next election, if they will happen, will have 98% win of the democracts with that ridiculous unfair and undemocratic system of yours, it won't change a permanent shift that started and keeps happening. US has no real allies, in same vein russia or China has no real allies.

Empires rise and fall, inevitably, there was never a reason to think US would be an exception.

The US is dead; it is now a Trumpian shithole.

Your optimism is absurd. And your ridiculous literalism. Obvious the space in North America between Canada and Mexico will still be there.

The rights the citizen's enjoyed have drastically changed and are likely to get worse. The quality of life and wealth of the country have already been extremely damaged. Those were based on various international treats and trade patterns that have been unilaterally ended by the US. The reputation of the US will not recover within 20 years. China is ascendant and, realistically, has already overtaken the US in capability.

You are the one that is being illogical, afactual, and emotional. You are rejecting accurate assessments because of a cognitive bias.