Serious question, but not entirely related to the topic - how are “smart” people in the US preparing for the next 20-30 years?

- Assume everything will be fine and America will remain a global economic superpower.

- Plan an exit to a more serious, stable country.

- Some option in the middle of the two to hedge your bets?

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kilroy123 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know if I qualify for "smart" but my plan has been to keep one foot in the US and one foot in Europe.

I saw the writing on the wall long ago. I predicted all of this happening many years ago. I left the US back in 2015.

Currently in the UK, and I hope to eventually get dual citizenship. My partner is European, so that is possible too.

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terminalshort 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Smart people know that you can't predict or plan for anything on anywhere close to that time horizon. The only plan is be adaptable.

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detourdog 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm somewhere in the middle and bought an ocean going sailboat.

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onlyrealcuzzo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm investing in property in places that will allow me to get permanent residency without jumping through too many hoops.

You theoretically lose yield compared to the S&P average - but if you're hedging your bets against the US possibly going to shit - the S&P is unlikely to perform as well as its historic average IFF that scenario unfolds.

Seems like a better hedge than gold, but my crystal ball isn't working.

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baggachipz 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

D) Die. I'll reach my expected lifespan by then. If possible, move to a serious, stable country before then.

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shepherdjerred 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'd leave the US if the tech jobs didn't pay so much better here.

I mostly like the US but the years since Obama have been rough

	▲	Ylpertnodi an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Pay may be numerically less in the eu, but rather than me trying to convince you, try on youtube: 'why I left the USA for europe'. There are very many.!

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bluGill an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I live in iowa - all my electric comes from wind, and I drive an ev or bike. I'm not worried

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tsunamifury 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Please list the more serious and stable country if America collapses.

I’ll wait.

On a serious note;

I’m looking at my billion dollar neighbors and they all just are citizens everywhere now. No allegiance to anything but their own pleasure.

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Ylpertnodi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Please list the more serious and stable country if America collapses.

Chinahhhh.

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AnimalMuppet an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Switzerland?

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kakacik an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Lol thats trivial if you actually know history and politics a tiny bit - Switzerland. 800 years of most free citizens in the world (lost that armed part but still valid for whole Europe with maybe Finland having similar numbers).

Salaries in tech sector still give you higher overall quality of life than most of US can ever offer. Then you have - extremely beautiful nature at your doorstep, more top notch destinations like Italy and France just at the border, very low criminality compared to US, very good free healthcare, very good free education including top notch public universities, very well functioning social programs. One doesn't have to be ashamed their taxes go to killing innocent civilians half around the world (although at this point US population including folks here seems fine with that). And so on and on and on.

Also, you don't spend your whole active life getting it and (almost) burning out for that, 40h/week and then you can live your life and chase dreams and passions.

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nxor2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Swiss people are quite rude and unaccepting of foreigners, even foreigners who grow up there. I don't think they have room for Americans wishing to leave.

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		Americans have a twisted outlook because despite muh racism USA has allowed more foreigners in than any other country, a quite sizeable chunk of them via overstay or illegal immigration, so we think we could do the same thing and just as an average person up and move somewhere else because we see that it can be done and most of the time it is at least possible to get away with it unless you have bad luck or do something stupid. Argentina and Brazil are about the only other countries where you can almost get away with this and legalize your existence (Argentina in particular has constitution that says essentially if you survive 2 years, you are basically citizen) , although most of Africa wouldn't bother to enforce it (South Africa in particular has almost as much illegal immigration per capita as USA although with a wide band of possible error in estimates, and they can't meaningfully enforce it). Otherwise you need investments (usually 50k+), permanent pension, top-tier education, a professional job offer, cultural/family ties, or connections with the political apparatus. Switzerland in particular is on extreme hard mode for a non-EU citizen to get citizenship.

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tonfa an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> very good free healthcare

Quite a few swiss residents would be happy to have this (or at least some more cost control).

There's mandatory health insurance with preexisting condition coverage, but it's not free (tho it's partially tax supported, depending on location and income).

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tsunamifury an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Switzerland would likely be one of the first to collapse financial institutions due to a US fallout.

It’s amazing how poorly you understand their financial situation. They are possible the most privately leveraged entity on the planet by ratio

Their banking systems against their gdp is at 600%.

You couldn’t pick a worse place

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