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Arainach 8 hours ago

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> I don't get it. LLMs are supposed to have 100% bridged this gap from "normie" to "DIY website." What's missing?

This is an all too common thought process among technologists, so:

Where to even start? Well, let's start that every single "AI" company is massively overhyping everything to try to avoid any unfortunate realizations about the emperor's clothes regarding their CapEx and finances. Yes, even your favorite one.

The very short version: running a small business like a restaraunt takes all your resources and then 20% more. Long hours, hard work, all your time. You do not have 2 hours to learn about LLMs or to pick which company to pay. From there:

* Most people don't know what they want

* Most people don't know the words for what they want

* Even if you say "I want a website", what do you want it do look like? To say? These people aren't experts in web UX nor should they be.

* You have some HTML and images. Where do they go now? Again people literally don't know what they want or need. If you realize you need a "web host", how do you pick a trustworthy one? How do you know if it's a good price? How do you get a domain name? How do you get the files onto the server?

* Do you want people to be able to buy things? Now you're taking payment methods and have security concerns.

* Your site is live. You want to change something on it. How do you do that? Where are the original files? How do you change them? How do you get the changes on the server?

It's not "Hey, write me a website". There are lots of steps that assume a lot of knowledge, and it is easier, faster, and better for people to focus on their expertise and just pay some service for their web shop.

ehnto 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I often turn to the saying "Rich people don't talk to robots". Time poor people want things done for them not by them. The agency of action needs to be delegated.

Just because Flight Centre can automatically line up your flights for you, doesn't mean they want to. Time poor people still don't have time to go through that nor do they want to. They ask their assistant to do it, their assistant knows them well and fills in all the knowledge gaps.

Even in the age of AI chat assistants, I don't see a time poor person bothering to go through the process of building a website with a chat interface. There's too much knowledge asymmetry that needs to be closed and that's time cost again. Still much easier to ask a team member to do it.

Their assistant might have reached out to a digital agency in the past, maybe now they don't thanks to AI.

jstanley 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you're time-poor maybe you're not as rich as you think.

The richest person I know talks to robots all the time.

type0 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So what, the richest person I know talks to DMT jesters, it doesn't make it good.

dv_dt 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The richest people I know talk to a range of people like personal assistants, but really the PA is valued for getting things done reliably and in the real world with any needed resources. Even calling in experts as needed - of course they may indeed talk to an AI too

jt2190 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

By choice. Your friend is presumably wealthy enough that they could talk to a human instead, or completely delegate whatever they’re talking to AI about and never talk of it further.

TeMPOraL 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nah, they're right. In fact, "self-service" is one of the biggest value transfers from people to capital owners, a society-wide "fast one" the computing industry pulled over everyone.

It's cool that you can do something yourself with a computer, whether it's ordering food or picking clothes or booking a trip. But, market doing market things, that can quickly became a have to, which is much less cool.

It's a problem that's hard to see until you're certain age (and therefore easily dismissed as whining of old people yelling at cloud(s)) - it's because most people in the west start with no money and lots of free time to burn, and gradually become extremely time-poor as their start working and accrue responsibilities (and $deity forbid, start a family).

nandomrumber 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Correct.

The smartest people in academia get promoted to positions that used to come with administrative staff.

Now they’re expected to do all of that with a computer, which is easy right?

So now they spend 30% or more of their time administrationating their position, rather than delegating those duties to their admin staff.

That’s less time teaching and innovating.

Meanwhile, the increase in administration costs of learning institutions has massively outpaced all other costs as a fraction of total.

komali2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The richest person I know talks to robots all the time.

I've noticed this too, but I always thought of it as mostly people fooling themselves.

If you're rich (let's say anywhere above 10mil), it's practically guaranteed that you can allocate resources in such a way that more effective engineering, or science, or whatever, is done in less time than if you tried to do it yourself (rather than spending your time allocating capital). I've actually thought of this as a bit of a curse: the value of a rich person's labor output is inverse to their net worth. No matter how smart, you're not smarter than a crack team of Ukrainian/vietnamese/taiwanese/Indian scientists/engineers/whatever, and the more rich you get the more you can stack your crack teams, either paying higher salaries for higher skilled people or building bigger teams.

I think there's maybe 100 outliers to this rule in the world, people like John Carmack. I mean I assume he's rich.

argee 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I don’t think John Carmack likes to tell people what to do, regardless of wealth.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26170052

SecretDreams 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

"Time-poor" rather than "time poor" would make this a lot more readable. I struggled a bit on the first go of this reading it.

Otherwise, totally agree.

chrysoprace 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To add onto this, I used to frequent a cafe near my old work and had quite a good rapport with the owner. One day I was going for lunch and wanted to check their menu, pick something new and then go order. When I went and ordered it she said she they no longer serve that and couldn't get onto the developer to change their menu on the site. They were a couple working 7 days a week, only taking public holidays off, so it was easily the least of their concerns.

janalsncm 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, setting up a website is a pain.

But in reality there’s only a handful of things people care about for your restaurant: what, when, and where. Put up your menu, put up your hours, and put up your location. And a phone number.

lleu an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I specifically tracked this problem and built https://lleu.site to try and get businesses in my city off of social media.

Built a menu editor. Has a built in blog and image galleries. Events calendar and event posts. Has a single page simple mode and multi page editor. Contact form with message intake and forwarding. Easy UI that I don’t change underfoot every quarter so its consistent. Works on mobile and low powered devices as well.

Kept the monthly price low and I’ve done cold emails, mailers, newspaper ads, online ads.

Still barely any takers. Probably a bit of a branding thing. Maybe its something else.

shlip 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

"lleu.site" might not be the clearest in regards to what the service offers. It reads too nerd. Something like "easyweb.site" or "yourown.site" might better describe it.

I-M-S 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

IMO the four designs that I saw as examples are not attractive enough. Especially coming from the editor's builder, they should make a stronger showcase.

Gigachad 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People put that stuff up on Google maps, Facebook, and Instagram now.

I know it’s not popular with the crowd here, but those platforms are free, easy to use, and where the customers are. The mainstream options for a website like squarespace are absurdly expensive.

xmprt 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes and no. I find the restaurant on Google maps but 9/10 times the menu is either outdated or not properly structured and having a link to the menu website is better. So Google maps is the top of the funnel but I still appreciate a website.

avhception 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For many local places here, the only way to get the menu online is if a customer posted a photo of the menu on Google maps or something.

And 1/3 of the time, that photo is too blurry and off-angle and whatnot to even read properly.

Gigachad 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I can’t help but think what this means is just that the menu isn’t that’s important as a marketing tool. If having an up to date website and menu resulted in a noticeable boost in business, every restaurant would have it.

Average person either finds the place through google maps or a TikTok video, checks a few photos of the food or venue, then goes. Doesn’t matter what the exact menu is because there are plenty of options and something will be appealing.

ruszki 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Or it’s good for customers and bad for restaurants. There are such things, and menu can be easily one. Especially tourist focused restaurants infested with such tactics, and you can avoid most of them just looking on their menu.

avhception 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe that is the case for some places, but this is rather rural Germany. Not sure when I've last seen a tourist here.

datsci_est_2015 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah that context matters significantly. What’s the turnover rate for restaurants in your area? What’s the variance in menu? “Success” in my neck of the woods is staying open more than 2 years, and menu availability plays a significant role.

avhception 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We usually order by phone, then drive by and pick up the food. Can't do that w/o a menu. The solution is usually to take a printed menu with you when you're there. But that's a chicken-and-egg problem!

soco 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Is that a "restaurant" then? Your use case means a kitchen which indeed needs a menu. But dining is something else, so we cannot compare.

avhception an hour ago | parent [-]

Many of them offer that option, so there is a grey zone. But you're right - should have been more clear about that.

Xenoamorphous 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What makes you think that the menu in the website is not going to be outdated.

baud147258 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think the parent is making the assumption that a business owner would be able (and willing) to update the menu on their own website, whereas random pictures on Google Maps/Instagram might not have the most recent menu.

Apocryphon 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Really the previous comment should have mentioned Yelp, and perhaps Tripadvisor for non-American customers.

throwaway27448 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Google maps makes sense at least, but you're straight losing money if all you have is an instagram page. I can't tell if the facebook mention is a joke or not.

1718627440 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, you could even just serve a pdf at the root path, that wouldn't even require any HTML.

miramba 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Menus change ie seasonal, and there is a daily changing handwritten chalkboard: Make a photo, put it on IG. Hours change: This week only opened from 8 instead 7: Post it on IG. Who has the time to answer a phonecall? And who uses phone numbers these days anyway? Text me on whatsapp like everyone else does. Disclaimer: Don‘t use IG. But if I want to know if our favourite pizza place is open (cook travels to football games a lot), I ask my wife to check on Insta.

bandrami 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's a trend in Sri Lanka for some reason to put your menu on Instagram... as a reel. Because you don't want your customers to have more than 15 seconds to view what you serve.

LtWorf 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

IG is only for the regular customers.

johannes1234321 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Not really. I don't have an IG account, but when picking a place ein an area I don't know, it is the place to get an impression of the place. The visual part tells a lot about the place, while many websites maybe got a photo from the outside, if at all.

slifin 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most people should put in a Google maps entry

TurdF3rguson 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Your menu? Can't. Your open hours? They already know it.

komali2 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You can put your menu on Google maps, we did it for our restaurant. https://maps.app.goo.gl/YdbSHd7hewkXQeMz8 see "menu" tab

To be fair the Google maps restaurant side of the operation is quite possibly the largest ratio I've ever seen between "amount of capital and engineering skill available" and "quality (lack thereof) of UX." You have to access your restaurant profile through the Google search portal. It's a nightmare.

KineticLensman an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I followed the links and got www.thejispot.com’s server IP address could not be found.

komali2 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes, we used to have a website: https://github.com/508-dev/thejispot

The restaurant is closed now, permanently.

You can see we updated it fairly regularly https://github.com/508-dev/thejispot/commits/main/

TurdF3rguson 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's one way to do it. The links are broken though.

bandrami 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I directionally agree with this but, what do you do in three months when you change to the summer menu?

janalsncm 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Take a picture of the menu, send through ChatGPT, read it over for mistakes, paste content into your website.

bandrami 6 hours ago | parent [-]

How do you "paste content into your website"? Did somebody build them a CMS?

baxtr 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The issue is priorities.

If you have long list of todos for a restaurant, why put building a website in the top 10?

onion2k 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But in reality there’s only a handful of things people care about for your restaurant: what, when, and where. Put up your menu, put up your hours, and put up your location. And a phone number.

It's those things but more as questions than things they want to read. What people actually care about for a restaurant is:

"Can you tell me if the food is good?"

"Can you tell me are the staff great?"

"Can you tell me what does it cost?"

and "Can you tell me where it is?" to an extent, especially if it's not on a major route.

People want answers that they can trust for those things. They want a trusted source to tell them the answers.

You can't really get any of those things from a Google search or a website (ignoring reviews because they're gamed to hell now). The majority of a restaurant's customers come from word-of-mouth recommendations or reputation through curated services like critics and directories especially at the top end. A good website helps for people who are visiting the area, or for restaurants that are very new and whose owners don't have a great network (or who wrongly believe a website is key to getting business), but for most restaurants the only way to drive business is to build a loyal base of people who tell their friends and colleagues about it.

If a restaurant is going to have a website at all it should be a great one, because bad websites shouldn't be a thing, but a restaurant could happily run for decades with just an Instagram page these days and it'd make no difference to their success.

throwaway27448 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> a restaurant could happily run for decades with just an Instagram page these days and it'd make no difference to their success.

Well they still need a website with a menu and hours or I'm not going to be there. You can't view an instagram page without an account.

deaux 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> "Can you tell me if the food is good?"

> "Can you tell me are the staff great?"

> "Can you tell me what does it cost?"

> and "Can you tell me where it is?" to an extent, especially if it's not on a major route.

A restaurant's Instagram page - which is what this post is about - does not answer these questions in any way better than a restaurant's website does.

bandrami 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No really we want to know when it's open, what it serves, and how much it costs. The quality conversation is completely separate.

rapnie 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sadly, at least in the Netherlands, most restaurant have to pay extortionary prices to aggregator sites like The Fork and others, that most people use to find restaurants and reserve a table. In addition they are incentivised to offer reduced prices on their meals, so the algorithm ranks them higher. So dominant is the role of the aggregator that the restaurant cannot afford not to be listed, and lose the customer base that flows in through these aggregators. Having their own website is of lower concern than doing this well.

oblio 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I imagine location matters even more? A well placed restaurant with adequate food probably does good business, still?

rapnie 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure is. I was contrasting 'merits' of being listed at aggregator sites vs. having ones own website.

happyraul 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I accept that as a software developer, I have a myopic view on it, but it doesn't have to be hard.

- Get a domain name

- Get a VPS with an nginx image pre-installed

- Write a plain text file with the info you want shown (hours, contact info, etc...)

Yeah it's not sexy, but it's a start and it can be changed when time and interest allows.

carlosjobim a minute ago | parent | next [-]

That's not realistic for non-developers.

However, anybody can easily get a website: Just send an e-mail or make a call to any of the myriad web design people in your local area.

c1sc0 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How do I get a domain name? What is a VPS? What the hell is nginx? How do I write a plain text file in Word? I don't have time for this ...

JCattheATM an hour ago | parent [-]

That's why Squarespace and Wix exist. You have 30 minutes.

pibaker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Realistically, most people don't have the expertise of setting up HTTPS enabled web hosting on nginx (maybe Caddy will be easier.) There is just so much prerequisite knowledge for a non technical person to know. What they do instead is either

- Pay for a shared hosting plan on one of the big players like Dreamhost, Bluehost, Hostinger.

- Install wordpress in one click

- Do everything in Wordpress.

- Pray that no one ever hacks their Wordpress installation

Or

- Pay for an agency

- Have an IT professional — like you and me — make the website, and put a link in the website footer saying "website designed by XYZ Inc."

wasting_time an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The VPS should just be their home router, and then have the ISP provide the domain name.

Uploading the web site could be a discovered Samba or NFS share.

Hopefully IPv6 can make self hosting viable again.

emaro 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Get a VPS with an nginx image pre-installed

You probably already lost 90% of 'normies'.

Most people won't be able to or willing to do that on their own. They could learn it of course, but they don't bother.

https://xkcd.com/2501/

autoexec 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The reality is much much easier. You just google "I want a website" or "give me a .com" and click links until you get some free website builder or a webhosting company who will take your credit card and give you very easy to follow directions to choose a domain name and then takes you right into their online builder where everything is super user friendly and not much different than leaving a post on a social media platform. Most people would absolutely be able to get a website. It might be the best way to do it, but it would get done.

wink an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also lost 1/3 of developers who have no interest in self-hosting on the open net.

silvestrov 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

closer to 99.9%

Torwald 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Make it 100%. I consider myself relatively "geeky", but I couldn't explain neither what a VPS or an nginx image is.

"Normies" are people who are not sure whether the photos they took today with their phone are "on the phone" or "in the cloud" or maybe on the laptop also? Or what?

Go from there to "nginx", I'll wait and don't hold my breath.

stvltvs 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Or delete old photos because their phone is slow. Techies really overestimate the correctness of the mental models non-techies walk around with.

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psini 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How are you going to convince your ie hair salon? Being cheeky but I imagine the conversation is going to go like:

- "What the heck is a domain name"

- "What the heck is a vps"

Probably going to doze off by the time you get to explaining an http server.

Don't get me started on the "plain text file". A website that looks like notepad.exe from '95?

It's worse than not sexy, most users would think the website got hacked or something. And I'm not teaching my hair stylist CSS

VoodooJuJu 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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Mercuriusdream 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I miss those cheap something-middle-in-webhosts-and-microblogs hosts

lentil_soup 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I miss Geocities so much. It was so simple, open an account, drag some files and done you have a website. What happened? Why is it so hard to have a static website now?

vaylian 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Neocities is picking up the slack: https://neocities.org/

arc-in-space an hour ago | parent [-]

God damn those featured pages load so fast.

fsflover 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You may like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34269772

brap 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doesn’t something like Wix take care of all of this?

madaxe_again an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes. It’s also idiot-proof enough that I sent a tech illiterate estate agent friend there with instructions to ask ChatGPT if he had any questions. He was up and running, with property listings, three days later.

Honestly, this is a solved problem - the actual problem, if you talk to folks who maintain only a FB page, is that they don’t want to pay.

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cucumber3732842 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Part of the problem is that there's no accepted standards for the minimum website worth making. This is very much a fault of the "website people" because they don't want to sell you a five page static site with the most complex feature being a php script that runs a couple for loops to put formatting around images and text.

Other than basic description and contact info that's all 99% of small businesses need (as evidenced by the fact that they use social media in exactly that way)

techpression 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you for the much needed refresher on what running a business actually entails for many.

ThrowawayTestr 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Squarespace made a business simplifying all that. It's expensive but there are templates and it had a WYSIWYG editor.

markdown 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ridiculously expensive. The cost of hosting a mom-and-pop website is close to zero, and they charge $20/month or something like that.

pibaker 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Except Squarespace does not just sell hosting. Their main business is selling a CMS and website builder that is supposed to be easy enough for complete noobs to use.

You and I know how to build and host websites, ok, but it had likely taken us dozens if not hundreds of hours of learning everything between TCP/IP to ARIA attributes to get here. The average small business owner does not have this knowledge or the time to learn it. They keep Squarespace in business.

markdown 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Their main business is selling a CMS and website builder that is supposed to be easy enough for complete noobs to use.

Yeah, like I said, it costs close to $0.

> The average small business owner does not have this knowledge or the time to learn it. They keep Squarespace in business.

My point is, SquareSpace could charge a fraction of what they do and still be rolling in cash. Instead they charge ridiculous fees that simply go to pay for more ads.

pibaker 2 hours ago | parent [-]

To think about this from another angle, imagine yourself as a worker selling your labor in exchange for money. Would you voluntarily negotiate a pay cut just because you can charge a fraction of what you do and still swim in cash, or would you take as much your company is willing to pay you to work there? If your answer is no, then why should a company selling a product act any differently?

If squarespace following free market 101 upsets you so much, maybe you should start a squarespace competitor and charge whatever you think is a fair price. If what you said is true then you should be able to undercut squarespace by a huge margin and still make a profit. Give it a try and tell us how it goes.

esseph 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You're not paying for the hosting, not why would they try to sell you that, really? People pay them for everything else around the hosting.

eastbound 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is expensive. Add to this: On this audience, people will lose their passwords, leave outdated information, transfer their business, and not connect often — I bet the security is more costly that a technical audience.

pigeons 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And security

dd8601fn 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Most of these people just need like two or three static pages and a domain name. Same as it ever was.

squirrellous 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds like what we need is Facebook pages, except as a free service from the government or non-profit.

lneves 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Back in the day, there was this thing called the "Yellow Pages"! :-)

komali2 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I believe the yellow pages were typically printed by private companies, often the telephone companies, so in a way Facebook is an apt comparison!

xigoi an hour ago | parent [-]

Did you need an account to read the Yellow Pages?

voidUpdate 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wouldnt ISPs give you a bit of web space with your internet plan back in the day? (I'm too young to have been around for that but I've heard it used to be a thing)

johannes1234321 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, but that's an ugly address tied to your provider. And you had to learn rearing a website (in Frontpage?) and FTP. Also expectations on websites were different. They were allowed to be fun and didn't have to care about different kidb sof devices, accessibility and all these things.

Back in the day™ this worked somewhat as people who were online and a somewhat level of technical interest. Else they wouldn't have used the Internet. The average restaurant owner doesn't have that interest. They like cooking or talking to customers on the bar or something, but not doing Webdesign. Probably they only use the desktop/laptop for preparing numbers for tax purpose unless they can fully outsource that.

voidUpdate 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah, fair enough

dumpsterdiver 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you have any justification in mind for the “free service” being funded by tax payers? Why should it be free for the people who need it, and why should tax payers fund it?

tossandthrow 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Such proposal doesn't need justification. You can merely disagree.

Anyhow. The justification is that it is an important part of a communications infrastructure.

Just like the government finances roads, etc.

cindyllm 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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ghurtado 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but shouldn't free Internet access come before that?

Dylan16807 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We should be making sure everyone has internet access, but hosting some basic pages is about 1000x cheaper, so no I don't think free internet access should come before that.

tossandthrow 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Internet access doesn't seem to be an issue.

Politics is also about making practical choices to advance humanity.

komali2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Converted to dollars, the value is far greater than the cost of a single bomb dropped on strangers that aren't a threat to me, so I don't need to justify it until someone can justify to me the bombs, the oil and gas subsidies, the bailouts, the...

mlrtime 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>the value is far greater than the cost of a single bomb dropped on strangers that aren't a threat to me

Such a weird comparison. Just so we are tuned in, can you list some things that are of less value to you than a single bomb on a stranger?

komali2 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

My point is I don't want bombs dropped on strangers, so, in terms of things the government spends money on, there's nothing of less value to me that a single bomb on a stranger. Of all things the government spends its money on, I'd rather any one of those things to take 100% of the budget, than even a penny to go to dropping a bomb on a stranger, even if that significantly decreases my quality of life.

I just really don't like my government killing people far away that pose no threat to me.

palmotea 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Do you have any justification in mind for the “free service” being funded by tax payers? Why should it be free for the people who need it, and why should tax payers fund it?

Because the government should provide useful services. It should be funded by tax dollars because I'm tried of libertarians, and it's well-demonstrated that the free market has consumer hostile incentives that I'm sick of.

999900000999 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Alright cool.

Your assuming the local government employed webmaster won't favor his friends restaurants.

Craigslist basically is this, and it's more or less free.

xmprt 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Forgive me for assuming that the government owned service would be more transparent/serve the people better than a privately owned, closed source, platform that's explicitly funded by ads and so is transparently corrupt. Even your worst case scenario for this would be equivalent to what we already have.

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hoppp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I prompted claude and it wrote me a pretty good landingpage. Thats all I needed and its never been more easy to have that html file. The hard thing for users is to host it and configure DNS, but that is free with cloudflare, just need to buy a domain name.

But even buying a domain name can be too much for some people as facebook is "free"

Muller20 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I think you are overestimating the knowledge of the average person. You still need to have an idea of what is html, DNS, cludflare. Most people wouldn't even know where to start looking. But I agree that once you know how to create a website, generating a landing page with Claude is painless.

hoppp 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Overestimating? I did comment that even buying a name is too much.

People who are non-technical will never have a website, but the barrier of entry is low for anyone who has access to the right information.

gambiting 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean I made a website for my mum's store probably 10 years ago, just a landing page, contact details and a map showing where it is + some pictures, put it on Digital Ocean on a basic Linux instance and I haven't touched it since. I don't think I even have the passwords for it anymore - but it just lives there for over a decade without any trouble, the DI host costs like $5 a month and that's the only thing we ever really had to worry about. The website is a basic HTML, it doesn't need to be anything more than that.

My general point is that if that's all you need(and I'd argue most businesses really need just that) then basic infrastructure is both really easy to set up and really resilient long term. That Apache server(or whatever it is, I honestly don't remember) isn't going to randomly fall over on a Tuesday for no reason, unless the fabric of the internet changes then it will continue serving HTML websites forever.