| ▲ | janalsncm 8 hours ago |
| Yeah, setting up a website is a pain. But in reality there’s only a handful of things people care about for your restaurant: what, when, and where. Put up your menu, put up your hours, and put up your location. And a phone number. |
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| ▲ | lleu an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| I specifically tracked this problem and built https://lleu.site to try and get businesses in my city off of social media. Built a menu editor. Has a built in blog and image galleries. Events calendar and event posts. Has a single page simple mode and multi page editor. Contact form with message intake and forwarding. Easy UI that I don’t change underfoot every quarter so its consistent. Works on mobile and low powered devices as well. Kept the monthly price low and I’ve done cold emails, mailers, newspaper ads, online ads. Still barely any takers. Probably a bit of a branding thing. Maybe its something else. |
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| ▲ | shlip 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | "lleu.site" might not be the clearest in regards to what the service offers. It reads too nerd. Something like "easyweb.site" or "yourown.site" might better describe it. | |
| ▲ | I-M-S 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | IMO the four designs that I saw as examples are not attractive enough. Especially coming from the editor's builder, they should make a stronger showcase. |
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| ▲ | Gigachad 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People put that stuff up on Google maps, Facebook, and Instagram now. I know it’s not popular with the crowd here, but those platforms are free, easy to use, and where the customers are. The mainstream options for a website like squarespace are absurdly expensive. |
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| ▲ | xmprt 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes and no. I find the restaurant on Google maps but 9/10 times the menu is either outdated or not properly structured and having a link to the menu website is better. So Google maps is the top of the funnel but I still appreciate a website. | | |
| ▲ | avhception 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | For many local places here, the only way to get the menu online is if a customer posted a photo of the menu on Google maps or something. And 1/3 of the time, that photo is too blurry and off-angle and whatnot to even read properly. | | |
| ▲ | Gigachad 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I can’t help but think what this means is just that the menu isn’t that’s important as a marketing tool. If having an up to date website and menu resulted in a noticeable boost in business, every restaurant would have it. Average person either finds the place through google maps or a TikTok video, checks a few photos of the food or venue, then goes. Doesn’t matter what the exact menu is because there are plenty of options and something will be appealing. | | |
| ▲ | ruszki 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Or it’s good for customers and bad for restaurants. There are such things, and menu can be easily one. Especially tourist focused restaurants infested with such tactics, and you can avoid most of them just looking on their menu. | | |
| ▲ | avhception 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe that is the case for some places, but this is rather rural Germany. Not sure when I've last seen a tourist here. | | |
| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah that context matters significantly. What’s the turnover rate for restaurants in your area? What’s the variance in menu? “Success” in my neck of the woods is staying open more than 2 years, and menu availability plays a significant role. |
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| ▲ | avhception 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | We usually order by phone, then drive by and pick up the food. Can't do that w/o a menu. The solution is usually to take a printed menu with you when you're there. But that's a chicken-and-egg problem! | | |
| ▲ | soco 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is that a "restaurant" then? Your use case means a kitchen which indeed needs a menu. But dining is something else, so we cannot compare. | | |
| ▲ | avhception an hour ago | parent [-] | | Many of them offer that option, so there is a grey zone. But you're right - should have been more clear about that. |
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| ▲ | Xenoamorphous 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What makes you think that the menu in the website is not going to be outdated. | | |
| ▲ | baud147258 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think the parent is making the assumption that a business owner would be able (and willing) to update the menu on their own website, whereas random pictures on Google Maps/Instagram might not have the most recent menu. |
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| ▲ | Apocryphon 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Really the previous comment should have mentioned Yelp, and perhaps Tripadvisor for non-American customers. |
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| ▲ | throwaway27448 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Google maps makes sense at least, but you're straight losing money if all you have is an instagram page. I can't tell if the facebook mention is a joke or not. |
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| ▲ | 1718627440 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, you could even just serve a pdf at the root path, that wouldn't even require any HTML. |
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| ▲ | miramba 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Menus change ie seasonal, and there is a daily changing handwritten chalkboard: Make a photo, put it on IG. Hours change: This week only opened from 8 instead 7: Post it on IG. Who has the time to answer a phonecall? And who uses phone numbers these days anyway? Text me on whatsapp like everyone else does.
Disclaimer: Don‘t use IG. But if I want to know if our favourite pizza place is open (cook travels to football games a lot), I ask my wife to check on Insta. |
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| ▲ | bandrami 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a trend in Sri Lanka for some reason to put your menu on Instagram... as a reel. Because you don't want your customers to have more than 15 seconds to view what you serve. | |
| ▲ | LtWorf 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | IG is only for the regular customers. | | |
| ▲ | johannes1234321 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not really. I don't have an IG account, but when picking a place ein an area I don't know, it is the place to get an impression of the place. The visual part tells a lot about the place, while many websites maybe got a photo from the outside, if at all. |
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| ▲ | slifin 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Most people should put in a Google maps entry |
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| ▲ | TurdF3rguson 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Your menu? Can't. Your open hours? They already know it. | | |
| ▲ | komali2 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can put your menu on Google maps, we did it for our restaurant. https://maps.app.goo.gl/YdbSHd7hewkXQeMz8 see "menu" tab To be fair the Google maps restaurant side of the operation is quite possibly the largest ratio I've ever seen between "amount of capital and engineering skill available" and "quality (lack thereof) of UX." You have to access your restaurant profile through the Google search portal. It's a nightmare. | | |
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| ▲ | bandrami 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I directionally agree with this but, what do you do in three months when you change to the summer menu? |
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| ▲ | janalsncm 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Take a picture of the menu, send through ChatGPT, read it over for mistakes, paste content into your website. | | |
| ▲ | bandrami 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | How do you "paste content into your website"? Did somebody build them a CMS? |
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| ▲ | baxtr 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The issue is priorities. If you have long list of todos for a restaurant, why put building a website in the top 10? |
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| ▲ | onion2k 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| But in reality there’s only a handful of things people care about for your restaurant: what, when, and where. Put up your menu, put up your hours, and put up your location. And a phone number. It's those things but more as questions than things they want to read. What people actually care about for a restaurant is: "Can you tell me if the food is good?" "Can you tell me are the staff great?" "Can you tell me what does it cost?" and "Can you tell me where it is?" to an extent, especially if it's not on a major route. People want answers that they can trust for those things. They want a trusted source to tell them the answers. You can't really get any of those things from a Google search or a website (ignoring reviews because they're gamed to hell now). The majority of a restaurant's customers come from word-of-mouth recommendations or reputation through curated services like critics and directories especially at the top end. A good website helps for people who are visiting the area, or for restaurants that are very new and whose owners don't have a great network (or who wrongly believe a website is key to getting business), but for most restaurants the only way to drive business is to build a loyal base of people who tell their friends and colleagues about it. If a restaurant is going to have a website at all it should be a great one, because bad websites shouldn't be a thing, but a restaurant could happily run for decades with just an Instagram page these days and it'd make no difference to their success. |
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| ▲ | throwaway27448 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > a restaurant could happily run for decades with just an Instagram page these days and it'd make no difference to their success. Well they still need a website with a menu and hours or I'm not going to be there. You can't view an instagram page without an account. | |
| ▲ | deaux 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > "Can you tell me if the food is good?" > "Can you tell me are the staff great?" > "Can you tell me what does it cost?" > and "Can you tell me where it is?" to an extent, especially if it's not on a major route. A restaurant's Instagram page - which is what this post is about - does not answer these questions in any way better than a restaurant's website does. | |
| ▲ | bandrami 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No really we want to know when it's open, what it serves, and how much it costs. The quality conversation is completely separate. | |
| ▲ | rapnie 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sadly, at least in the Netherlands, most restaurant have to pay extortionary prices to aggregator sites like The Fork and others, that most people use to find restaurants and reserve a table. In addition they are incentivised to offer reduced prices on their meals, so the algorithm ranks them higher. So dominant is the role of the aggregator that the restaurant cannot afford not to be listed, and lose the customer base that flows in through these aggregators. Having their own website is of lower concern than doing this well. | | |
| ▲ | oblio 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I imagine location matters even more? A well placed restaurant with adequate food probably does good business, still? | | |
| ▲ | rapnie 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure is. I was contrasting 'merits' of being listed at aggregator sites vs. having ones own website. |
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