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CalRobert 3 hours ago

NotJustBikes just put out a video about this issue - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--832LV9a3I

A couple years ago he also made a video about these trucks more broadly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

What's truly maddening is how many of these vehicles which _do not_ meet European safety standards are _already_ in Europe. Walk around Hilversum in the Netherlands and you will see plenty of Dodge Rams (mostly 1500's, but there's even a 2500 Dually usually parked on the sidewalk ("pavement "for Brits) where my kids used to go to school). They're imported under "Individual Vehicle Approval" rules, exempting them from type safety requirements, and on top of that are almost always registered as "business vehicles" (you can tell from the V plate) which means they pay an absolute pittance in tax.

I moved here to get away from American kindercrushers (among other reasons) and I am profoundly concerned that Europe is being invaded by these machines.

(Edit) Worth noting is that a lot of Dutch street design is based on the idea that people _can_ share space with cars in dense, low speed environments, but that assumption flies out the window when the vehicles are so large you can't even see a kid walking or biking to school.

Further edit - source - https://www.motorfinanceonline.com/news/dodge-ram-registrati... 5,000 Dodge Rams imported in to Europe in 2023 alone.

kalleboo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> "Individual Vehicle Approval" rules, exempting them from type safety requirements

These rules need to start discriminating between "safe for the passenger who bought it" and "safe for everyone else sharing the public space". Let people easily import some old Model T or a cute kei truck but not something that will kill someone else's kids who they can't see.

mothballed 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'll always catch hate for saying this, but the quickest way to get people into small more efficient vehicles is to eliminate public roads and make the fuckers pay whatever the market rate is for their super-sized diesel coal rolling environmental destruction machine to be on a road.

They'd quickly find out when they're not being subsidized by the general public and people actually have to pay their way to use their vehicles through tolls to people amortizing their road maintenance costs, that the smaller more pedestrian safe cars are the ones that make sense to operate.

isqueiros an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Vehicle tax in the Netherlands is already weight-based. This is why the tax rate for EVs is higher than gas cars. The thing is that if you live in Hilversum and are able to import a car from the US, you don't mind the higher tax to begin with

lukan 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

"The thing is that if you live in Hilversum and are able to import a car from the US, you don't mind the higher tax to begin with"

That can be fixed. Starting with removing business tax exemptions for such cars.

CalRobert an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is why they’re registered as business vehicles. Also the roads aren’t tolled, oddly.

mothballed an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

No tax I've seen is anywhere remotely close to following "fourth power law" on axle weight[]. And especially so for gas taxes, as the gas/diesel cost tends to be closer to linear with weight.

Usually what happens is smaller cars subsidize everyone else due to paying a disproportionate tax vs axle weight^~(2-4 depending on fatigue pathway). Depending on tax structure possibly pedestrians/cyclists too but they are usually parasitic on tax basis.

[] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

mavhc 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Agreed, tax based on damage to road, and then tax fuel the amount it costs to clean up the pollution the fuel causes, and then use the money to clean up the pollution it causes. Then who cares if you fly your private jet, or giant car, you just pay for it.

Side effects include: reduced pollution, and cheaper ways to clean up pollution

sdeframond 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I share your feeling. However

> pay whatever the market rate

would only work if there is a market. And infrastructures like roads are a natural monopoly[0], so there could be no market.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly

mothballed a few seconds ago | parent [-]

That's weird because there's no public road near me for miles and I can get 90% of the way to "town" without them.

kalleboo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Part of me has also been thinking "let people drive their imported huge trucks but with the understanding that if they kill someone in an accident its not just an accident, its a murder charge for willingly driving such a dangerous vehicle on public roads".

wasmitnetzen an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not sure the type of person who imports such a vehicle would have the appropriate amount of foresight to let such a law affect their behaviour.

mothballed 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

What amount of foresight allows one to endanger their own children more for some completely hypothetical 3rd party?

Driving around a big SUV/truck is usually safer for your own children travelling inside. Since the public has basically gifted me a gigantic subsidy, society invited me to play prisoner's dillema and protect my own kids at the cost of everyone else. Until I had kids I rode a motorcycle full-time as I had no one under me and I could take additional risks for environmental concerns. After I had a children I bought a McTank because basically my kid will be protected and the loss is socialized to everyone else.

However, if public stops subsidizing me I would go back to a small efficient car. Because then I would save so much money it would go back to my kids being better off as it would be enough difference to be made up for in better education, healthcare, etc.

2muchcoffeeman 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s putting unnecessary burden on the victim.

If you want a silly huge car you should pay silly huge fees for it. You must compensate the public for your nuisance vehicle.

master-lincoln an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You could argue this for any car as moving such a heavy object at such speeds close to people is inherently high risk.

kalleboo an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah there are always levels of risk we as a society have chosen to allow. My thinking was along the lines of how to self-regulate these imports of cars that do not follow the common safety standards our society has chosen if they are forced upon us by trade agreements or well-intentioned loopholes.

("murder" is a bit an extreme reaction but the more realistic idea may be to make harsher judgements the more pointlessly large and dangerous the vehicle is)

lukan 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

Easier might be to just not give exemptions when public safety is the tradeoff?

rcxdude an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doesn't work in France with its huge number of toll roads, and in the UK where fuel duty is the largest single part of the price of fuel, it more than covers the cost of public roads, yet people still drive everywhere in increasingly large vehicles. It's not gonna reduce driving, though I do agree it should not be subsidized.

Retric 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Road damage is exponential with weight, so heavy vehicles are still heavily subsidized in France even if the total revenue is correct.

There was an interesting court case where only giving tolls to 18 wheeler was problematic but the equivalent fee for cars would have literally worked out to under 1 cent.

citrin_ru an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Public transport (especially trains) is very expensive in the UK. If you already have a car it's cheaper to use car even if you're traveling alone. For two it will be more than 2x cheaper than a train. If trains will be affordable I'm sure more people would use them. As to the size - during relatively good pre-COVID times SUV become popular but not many Brits can afford large vehicles today and on average cars in the UK are much smaller than in the US, I would not say it's a big problem.

bofussing 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

The reason why British people are able to afford large and expensive vehicles is the heavy reliance on credit. 84% of new cars were bought on finance in 2024[1]

[1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6781339100e3d...

vineyardmike an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There are many easier ways to effect this social change, if you’re willing to do basic legislation around the vehicle itself.

The easiest way to decrease unnecessary oversized vehicles, frankly, is to require them be painted pink and flowery. Many men in America pick big vehicles as they're perceived as masculine, and a basic paint job to attack this psychological would probably work.

Less jokingly, add mechanical speed limits to them. Big heavy vehicles are extremely dangerous, but that danger is closely related to speed.

Other options include adding excessive cameras and radar equipment, so the front of the vehicle isn’t a blind spot. Cars have plenty of cameras and mirrors already, so it’s not novel to drivers. It’s a missed opportunity already since this could really be implemented by major manufacturers within a year.

walletdrainer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Why do they need to do this? Is this a real problem in Europe? Are lots of people being killed by these imported trucks?

parasti an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Implicitly you appear to be saying that we need to reach that point before action is taken?

jimnotgym 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For the UK it is a problem that many of our roads were built for a horse and cart. People like the aesthetics of these narrow, hedge-lined roads, so they won't change. An F150 or Ram is a very large vehicle to be putting down these roads.

Jolter an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

As the article states, US pedestrian deaths are UP 80% since 2010, while EU deaths are DOWN.

You can’t probably blame 100% of that difference on the design standards of US vehicles. But probably a high proportion of them!

consp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Afaik the payout is determined by your insurance, not the opposing party if you are not the cause. They will usually just stick to the standards set by the companies and not argue.

They are all business vehicles as the premiums would be so insane no person would pay it (which is a hint why they should not be in the road). The problem comes when the crash out costs the business and then you get nothing due to type of insurance (pretty much we pay nothing you pay everything yourself), or the ability of companies to fight endless court battles which your insurance likely does not cover.

My way of middle fingering them is reporting them every time they are either on the curb when there is a parking spot (not legal, blocking pedestrian access is only partially legal when there is no parking pace nearby and you leave enough space), or when they overextend onto the road which is a judgement call and up to the enforcing officer.

You also need to keep notice of people trying to get the municipality to widen parking spots and block that.

CalRobert 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As far as I'm aware, having any wheel on the footpath is illegal except in areas specifically signposted for it, but my experience has been that handhaving just didn't care

https://www.parkeerbord.nl/wetgeving/is-parkeren-op-de-stoep...

This spot used to drive me absolutely insane when walking to school with my kids - the gemeente even added marked parking spots and drivers just stole the footpath anyway, so we had to walk in the street, and the gemeente straight refused to issue tickets. The guy on the phone told me "it's not causing any trouble" because hey, it's not like _he's_ ever had to push a pram in the street.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/YD5w84R19TGQgPX78

consp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I might have it wrong in the inside/outside city limits with respect to parking on the curb as there are differences. There are also municipal rules but in general they are only for very specific locations afaik.

If you get injured because the municipality refused to act they are on the hook. Thell them you want it on paper they say they will do nothing to prevent this and you want them telling you specifically you have to walk on the street because they do not act on illegally parked cars.

Edit: where I live I have the option of specifically reporting a dangerous situation which in your case I would: near school zones with children involved it always is in my opinion but who am I to judge. It also helps if more people complain. We have a load of parking tourists here since the municipality mode the payed zones so more traffic and more annoyances. My first messages got impolitely unanswered but after a year of complaining by pretty much everyone they finally start doing things.

jacquesm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have - or rather had, died - an uncle who had a very effective way of dealing with this. He just walked over the cars.

RIP Cor H., one of a kind. I'm pretty sure the fact that in that neighborhood even now people are religiously parking on the street and never on the sidewalk is a remnant of his presence in this world.

arghwhat 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To be fair, parking illegally and/or disrespectfully is not a problem with the vehicle type but with the driver and lack of local enforcement. People also block footpaths, roads and parking spots in Polos and similar smaller vehicles, and plenty of workers cause issues with their regular european cans and pickup trucks. A favorite of mine being small roads with perpendicular parking spots, with an extended Mercedes Sprinter parked so that both footpath and road is restricted.

CalRobert 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Rude drivers and lack of enforcement are issues, of course, but bigger vehicles make it even harder to walk around a vehicle on the footpath.

arghwhat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Our regular local European vehicles are often larger, they're just safer. So no, nothing specific to the use of imported vehicles.

For example, a Mercedes Sprinter in the standard long box configuration (as is used by local grocery delivery services, plumbers and the likes where I live) is 7.4 meters long , way longer than even the longest American pickup trucks (for some of them, several meters longer!), and is just as wide as them.

In custom box or pickup bed configuration (used by e.g., gardeners), these vehicles get wider (and sharper).

dragonwriter 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> For example, a Mercedes Sprinter in the standard long box configuration (as is used by local grocery delivery services, plumbers and the likes where I live) is 7.4 meters long , way longer than even the longest American pickup trucks (for some of them, several meters longer!), and is just as wide as them.

Seems correct on relative length but not width; the F-450 Super Duty body is a bit wider without mirrors than a Sprinter with mirrors;

richrichardsson an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, but a Sprinter has a short nose and the driver's position is such they can see everything in front of them. Those ugly penis extension trucks have huge blind spots immediately in front of them.

ricardobeat 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You rarely see Sprinters parked in pedestrian areas though, they are commercial vehicles. Whereas these RAMs are often used as standard personal vehicles for grocery shopping.

arghwhat an hour ago | parent [-]

I can't speak for where you live of course, but they park in pedestrian areas where I live.

It's the norm in many businesses for employees to drive their work vehicle home and park it where they live, so they're everywhere. Not as many as regular passenger cars of course, but you'll see them on any residential road. Gardeners, plumbers, electricians, delivery services, this is the norm for all of them (a perk of sorts). Even big name-brand logistics companies, as it's common for the drivers to be independent contractors owning the van themselves so home is the only place to park.

They are also used for errands. They're legal for private use proportionate to the amount of VAT paid irrespective of registration type here, so you'll see them pick up/drop off kids, do groceries, recycle bottles, etc. in such vehicles too. Pretty sure that would be just as legal where you are given familiar EU rules.

Amezarak 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> he problem comes when the crash out costs the business and then you get nothing due to type of insurance (pretty much we pay nothing you pay everything yourself), or the ability of companies to fight endless court battles which your insurance likely does not cover.

Business automobile insurance doesn't work any differently than consumer automobile insurance. I was recently sideswiped by a guy driving a massive pickup truck for work and their insurance paid me promptly and fairly without any fuss at all. At least the state liability insurance laws I am familiar with do not change just because you're a business.

lnsru 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Absolutely the same with RAMs in Germany. Big toys for rich guys to compensate something small. Takes at least 2 parking spots and doesn’t fit anyway.

On other hand the RAMs are not relevant for the average citizen. Crazy fuel consumption is a showstopper. And the ones with some extra cash will continue to import with German „Individual Vehicle Approval“ equivalent. In my eyes it’s another useless European regulation. Let poor people import cheap Toyotas from overseas.

CalRobert 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They're relevant for the average citizen because they're killing average citizens.

A Ram was certainly relevant for this dead woman - https://www.rtl.nl/nieuws/binnenland/artikel/5521908/rouveen...

lnsru 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Would be the end different if it was another oversized car like X7, G-Klasse or Cayenne?

Edit: I am really curious why there is no real vehicle physical size tax in Germany. Let’s take reference as VW Golf. Smaller cars cost less, bigger more. I agree to pay more, but current insanity with RAMs and vans should be somehow regulated.

ricardobeat an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It’s possible. Visibility for pedestrians and bicyclists in these trucks is horrendous.

It’s so ridiculously bad that even an M1 Abrams tank has less blind spots: https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/140dgn8/many_popu...

arp242 an hour ago | parent [-]

A lot could probably be done with a simple "a person 1.80m in length must be able to see a 50cm high object 1 metre in front of the car" or something like that. Just making up numbers here and don't know what would be reasonable, but it seems this doesn't need to be that hard?

Weight also matters of course. Hopefully this relatively simple ruling will fix some of that too.

nonamesleft an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

G-klasse W465 is shorter than the equivalent medium sized sedan (E-klasse W214, and even shorter than my W212), and the hood is nowhere near as high as those overseas pickup trucks.

The monstrously large (5.8 meters) G63 6x6 is considerably rarer (i have never seen one in person).

martijn_himself an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This seems to be concerning but as a Dutch person who has lived in the UK for a long time the relatively recent home-grown 'fatbike' issue seems to be a much more pressing problem for Dutch road safety than this and isn't being dealt with effectively as far as I understand.

Having said that I think these American pick-ups (and large SUV's, they are part of the same problem) are a common sight here as well and should not be allowed on the road (unless maybe you can show you need one for work or business).

patall an hour ago | parent [-]

I see those in Sweden as well. But I also know that people are stupid. And I rather have a stupid person on a stupid bike than a stupid person in an SUV. Especially since in an accident, they will lose in any case because most are likely not street legal.

matonias 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This morning in Amsterdam a dog got struck and was killed by one of these vehicles, happend right in front of me. Poor doggo

jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What idiot would drive one of these in Amsterdam to begin with? It just doesn't fit the way traffic is organized there.

defrost 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Here's an example of driving "standard" historic UK rural roads:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/b2ad/live/a20a6d...

from: 'Carspreading' is on the rise - and not everyone is happy about it - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7vdvl2531o

Throws in the term "Chelsea Tractor", in Australia in the 1980's they were called Toorak Tractors or simply Yank Tanks.

WreckVenom an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That doesn't look like rural road in the UK (yellow lines down each side). I drive down rural roads everyday and there are usually no road markings.

Honestly getting past people isn't that much of an issue. There are normally passing spots where you pull over to let people through.

"Chelsea Tractor" is more of a dig at people Range Rovers for the looks and it never been using off-road.

There is a brand in the UK that have decided to "own" the label. Not sure why you would want/need a Ineos Grenadier in London, but some people will buy one.

https://www.chelseatruckcompany.com/

iso1631 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't see the issue with the driving standards in the photo. Road is quite wide too, and those yellow lines suggest some town area.

You do get problems in rural areas with idiots in Chelsea Tractors though. Leave them in the city -- there's no room for you in rural areas.

(For those whining about having to do the school run, just got back in my 1.6m wide car with 2 kids, 6 bags, skateboard and guitar, no problems on the 8 miles of single track road even when the lorries come the other way)

WreckVenom an hour ago | parent [-]

> I don't see the issue with the driving standards in the photo. Road is quite wide too, and those yellow lines suggest some town area.

It isn't the Rural Roads in the UK. Also the cars in the photo are kinda normal sized. The Volkwagen people carrier thing in the photo isn't that wide actually.

CalRobert 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It doesn't, but people do it.

Here's one in Utrecht https://urbanists.social/@Fuzzbizz/109608802470660144

jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That doesn't just seem selfish, it is selfish. And if it was a renovation crew or so carrying tools I would say they at least have some use for it (though a VW transporter would be just as effective, if not more so).

ricardobeat an hour ago | parent [-]

A Mercedes Vito, despite being nearly 1m shorter and normal car width, has 4-5x the carry capacity and a 3x longer bed than the RAM. These cars are just for show, you can probably find a Kei truck with similar capacity.

gorgabal an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There is one driving around near where I live in Amsterdam as well.

I am quite tall, even for Dutch standards, but the hood reaches my shoulder easily. It also drives around quite a busy neighbourhood. So I expect this specific car to kill someone within the next 5 years or so.

walletdrainer an hour ago | parent [-]

There are much more dangerous vehicles around on European roads, such as most buses, trams and lorries.

Ekaros an hour ago | parent [-]

Those tend to have no bonnets. So there are some risks and accidents still, but in general they do have better visibility.

jacquesm an hour ago | parent [-]

And professional drivers.

mvdwoord an hour ago | parent [-]

They get paid for what they do, their "profession". Most of them are not particularly good ;)

throw-the-towel 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Don't they also need special driver licences, which can have more stringent rules?

jacquesm 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That may be true, but on average I would expect them to be better drivers than the pick-up-in-the-inner-city crowd, whose choices are already off to a poor start before they turn the ignition key, after all, they picked the wrong vehicle for the surroundings.

roman_soldier an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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tigerlily an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That is a lot of Dodge Rams. It's a ponderous trend, it'd be interesting to see what is the driver. Is it a particular demographic, or subculture?

My mom who is originally from Bergschenhoek claims her elder brother taught her to drive, in a Dodge truck, probably post WW2 in a model like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_T-,_V-,_W-Series

I don't know whether there are hordes of bejaarden buying Dodges for nostalgic reasons, but that would mean the Dodge brand has some insane staying power. My guess would be that is absurd and unlikely.

I really dig your deadpan sprinkling of Nederlands. Some words have that etymological acuity that makes them irresistible to just deploy. I was always amazed by how many Yiddish and French words there are in Hollands.

johanvts 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It should be illegal, but I do think you might just be living close to some people who really love trucks. 5k is not a lot across Europe, popular models sell 10x that.

wongarsu 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They are heavily clustered around US military bases. If you life near one you will see a lot if oversized US vehicles, in most of the rest of Europe you can go months or years without seeing one

masklinn an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> They are heavily clustered around US military bases.

They’re clustered around areas of idiots with means. I’m nowhere near a us military base but there’s a bunch of these where I live, including two or three owned at houses I pass by on my way to work.

georgefrowny 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Honestly, local governments should just grow a pair and say no to this kind of shit.

If the US government wants to give its soldiers perks, they can rent or loan them a local car. Probably cheaper all round than flying/shipping in their financed Dodge RAM anyway.

Then again, American personnel being arseholes to the locals is well established from Okinawa to Croughton so it's probably endorsed as a power thing.

sumedh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Monster trucks are becoming increasingly popular in Australia too

arghwhat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Modern US trucks are an absolute atrocity. I am the demographic that thinks they look cool and might one day have bought one should I end up with more money than I knew what to do with if I hadn't learned that they're death traps.

The tall grill means impact to pedestrians, bicyclists and motorcycles is basically instant death as their head - the only thing above the grill - gets whiplashed onto the rigid tip of the hood. On a normal vehicle you get your legs swiped and rotate your whole body onto an intentionally flexible area of the hood for a much gentler impact.

The visibility from the driver seat is not only much worse than our actual semis, but also worse than actual tanks. You could have half a kindergarten and a small vehicle in front of your car without knowing.

As for the tax, eh - tbf these vehicles are mostly used for business purposes by sole proprietors and the likes, and while they're stupid vehicles they do still do the job. A fully decked Iveco Daily or Mercedes Sprinter is also expensive with little registration tax. Registration tax is a weird (and arguably stupid) system, this isn't really an outlier in that regard.

I roll my eyes more when I see a sports car attempted registered as a van.

0xEF an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Living in the US, what I find even more wild is just how many people purchase them here who have zero need to own a truck that size. It's got to be the most absurd parts of our modern cultural identity.

Even if the owner is using it as a rugged machine for hauling tools and supplies back and forth, they make for terrible work vehicles. A bed that's advertised as 6 foot actually measures about 5' 7" if you're lucky and the wheel wells eat into it so much that loading anything wider than maybe 4' just feels stupid. Nothing about it feels convenient or helpful when compared to a proper work van or a small flatbed. It's basically just a comfy exoskeleton for the driver to pickup groceries.

Meanwhile, I'm driving from site to site with a 4-cylinder hatchback full of tools in custom boxes I made getting twice the gas mileage. It gets some funny looks, but it gets the job done, which is more than I can say for most of the not-a-scratch-on-them trucks I see on the road, here.

arghwhat an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I do empathize with those picking the vehicle not on practicality but cool factor - considering how common and accepted gadget cravings are in other areas, I would find it unfair to attack that aspect. I'm currently using ~5GB out of my laptops 64GB of RAM, pretty sure I could start a small fire with my flashlight, and my motorcycle has off-road suspension in a country where the most demanding obstacle is a curb. Other things would objectively fit my needs better while costing less, but be less fun - and fun can be hard to find these days.

As you say, they are absolutely terrible for work use as well - Japanese kei trucks famously have larger beds than some common US pickup trucks, and the size of the custom beds we use in the EU makes the US ones look like absolute kids toys - but that too I wouldn't mind too much if they were just forced to be safe and with decent emissions so the idiocy mainly affected the driver and their wallets.

I'm not too impressed with your vehicle only getting twice the gas mileage though. I'd expect more than that. :P

zugi 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It's almost impossible to navigate parking garages if two such trucks park opposite each other. Or if one parks on an end that people need to navigate around.

People spend insane amounts of money buying these monstrosities too. It seems as a society we've normalized spending a year's salary on a vehicle, or rather getting a 7-year loan and making crazy monthly payments. I don't understand it. My then normal-sized, now smallish, 13-year old car, that I paid off 11 years ago, still runs great and I can park it easily.

11mariom 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Modern US trucks are an absolute atrocity

This.

I'm living in EU, thinking about getting some pickup. Just want to try this kind of vehicle (and I would love to transport my motorcycle, building materials etc). But I want something small - it looks like almost non-existent market here (there are cars like older f150, s10, etc - but very, very limited offers). Everyone gets the big modern trucks, that are unusable in our tight spaces.

VBprogrammer 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The visibility from the driver seat is not only much worse than our actual semis, but also worse than actual tanks. You could have half a kindergarten and a small vehicle in front of your car without knowing.

Yeah, mentioned in a comment, driving a Ford Expedition on holiday in the US I almost hit a hit walking down the sidewalk.

It literally had better visibility going backwards in the rear view camera than it did going forwards.

davedx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And don't even mention the Cybertrucks cruising around who knows where. Granted, I've not seen any parked at the Albert Heijn quite yet.

lifestyleguru an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These American trucks are driven by Dutch or by eastern Europeans (e.g. from construction industry)? The Dutch cycling culture and urban planning are adorable, but we are terrible selfish assholes especially regarding the cars.

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GaryBluto an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>NotJustBikes

No conflict of interest there, no siree!

CalRobert an hour ago | parent | next [-]

He’s a prominent urbanism commentator- what would the conflict even be?

4ndrewl an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Most people with bikes also own cars.

Don't fall into the algorithmically generated "it's them v us"

WreckVenom an hour ago | parent [-]

It isn't algorithmically generated. I used to spend a lot of time in cyclist circles both IRL and online and there is a very vocal minority of cyclists that basically hate cars and motorists. The stereotype exists for a reason.

roman_soldier an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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Kindercrusher 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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schmuckonwheels an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> I moved here to get away from American kindercrushers (among other reasons) and I am profoundly concerned that Europe is being invaded by these machines.

Okay. But you've posted 12 times already in this thread that isn't even an hour old, mostly emotions and hyperbolics as quoted above. Kindercrushers?

Please don't yell at any truck-driving strangers in the parking lot ("car park" for Brits) because I'm getting that vibe.

The article is equally light on actual details to support its case (ADAS is mandatory in the US, even on econoboxes), and for all we know the life saving equipment never mentioned but used to bolster their case could be... rear fog lights... or removal of the ability to shut off DRL, a largely useless feature that shortens the life of your headlamps.

tda an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The reasoning is these trucks make no practical or economic sense in Europe. They are not allowed to be sold, because they are dangerous to bystanders, are polluting and oversized. Only through some loophole quite a few have been imported, which is very frustrating to all of us that are intimidated and appalled by seeing these on our roads.

These trucs signal that the driver does not care about other people, environment, climate, etc. Because they are dangerous, obnoxious and polluting. And instead of calling these things trucks, I think Kindercrusher is a perfectly apt description.

CalRobert an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I have two young children and they are endangered by vehicles like this so I agree that I do have emotions regarding this.