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Always Invite Anna(sharif.io)
482 points by walterbell 6 hours ago | 41 comments
BeetleB 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

By the time you get to my age, your list of potential Anna's will be in the high dozens. You simply cannot keep this up with all the Anna's.

A lot of people genuinely don't want to hang out with you. Likely that number exceeds the "real" Anna's by an order of magnitude.

If there's someone I particularly like, I'll keep inviting him. But if the person is otherwise normal (e.g. clearly has a social life), I invite 3-5 times, and then stop. If the guy wants to hang out with me, the ball's in his court.

You'll find no shortage of people who'll say "Hey man! What happened? I never hear from you any more!"

To which I'd love to respond with s/any more/ever/

If you're the guy who always invite people regardless of their response (or non-response), you'll find that people will have an expectation that you always invite them. I would recommend not getting to that point.

efsavage an hour ago | parent [-]

I overheard two very outgoing co-workers once, where one asked the other if he was having his holiday party.

"It was last weekend", he said.

"Oh, I didn't get an invite"

"That's because you never come"

She looked shocked, I think she genuinely didn't know what to say. After an awkward silence she said, "but I liked to be invited"

"I'll happily invite you next year if you promise to come"

She smiled politely and walked away.

It was memorable to me because it was such a foreign interaction on both sides from my perspective.

circadian an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm in my 40s now, but when I was very young I had quite a rough time living in shared accommodation. It was people reaching out and asking me if I wanted to go out, whether or not I could, that in the same way stuck with me as helping to deal with being lonely. I still have the memory of peoples kindness and this story reminded me of those kindnesses. It's kind of a beautiful memory to have, even when the times were dark.

My interpretation is that Alexei might well have understood that Anna felt lonely / homesick. The reaching out could well have been simply sympathetic and well thought through to help include someone. That's what people did for me when I was young and out of my depth. Those people probably helped steer me into a good place when it could've gone bad.

It's always nice to reflect on the kindness of others. :)

Shock9889 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a beautiful story, but honestly If Alexei really wanted to help Anna, he could've tried to ease her in their group, for example, by inviting her to a less stressful setting: a library, a friendly coffee date, etc.

Anna's behaviour indicates social anxiety grown into general avoidance (speaking from my own experience), and what's described in this story is the worst possible way to help a person with this condition. Alexei felt good about himself though, I suppose.

Ancapistani 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'll add to this: it's usually not only OK, but appreciated when you're explicit about this.

I'm not a very social person by nature, and it has taken years -- decades, actually -- for me to get to the point where I feel comfortable in professional situations. One of the strategies I've developed to cope with this is to just be completely honest and upfront about my intentions.

This has backfired a couple of times when I started doing it, so I've since modified it to "wait until you're confident they're not shady". With that addition it has served me well.

n4bz0r 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> This has backfired a couple of times

Mind telling more about that?

Liwink 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm usually the Anna in the group, and always appreciate being remembered, even though it's not easy for me to say no.

9x39 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is also good advice if you're sensing people aren't as part of the group or team anymore, you...make them part of it again. Putting forth the effort (which may not be returned) of coordinating and including people is often the price of keeping a group together that you're leading or invested in.

kaladin-jasnah 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thanks for sharing this! It made my day a little brighter.

numbers 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

this reminds me of a friend who we've excluded from the group b/c of the age old advice of "the worst they can say is no". Well, we invited him to everything at first it was either no responses or late responses like "sorry was busy with work".

The whole friend group took their turns and attempts at inviting him.

It sort of stopped altogether when we started getting responses like "hey, don't call me without scheduling a call with me before" or getting a text 3 days later "hey what's up, I don't want to hang out".

He's a workaholic and believes his work is the most important thing (he switches jobs every 6-9 months) so the whole friend group has now just stopped trying.

For context, this has been going on for 10 years and about a year ago everyone stopped trying.

xg15 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think there is a difference between making it clear to a person they'll always have the option to join - and pushing that person to join.

Anna in the story did not express regret that she never joined. And as far as we know, Alexei wasn't expecting her to take his invitations either - because it wasn't about actually getting her to go to the party, it was just about communicating to her that the "we've stopped inviting you to our group events because you always say no" moment never happened and she was still a part of the group. That was what she had appreciated in the end.

On the other hand, what your group attempted seems more like a concerted push to change the person's behavior. Most people would probably reject that if they want to stay in control of their own plans.

squigz 3 hours ago | parent [-]

What? The group's behavior is basically just being a group of friends and inviting another friend?

xg15 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, I read that part like it was coordinated: "The whole friend group took their turns and attempts at inviting him."

But yeah, might have misunderstood.

In any case, the guy made clear he didn't really want to be part of that group, so then I wouldn't keep asking him either.

Ancapistani 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It sort of stopped altogether when we started getting responses like "hey, don't call me without scheduling a call with me before" or getting a text 3 days later "hey what's up, I don't want to hang out".

This is a good thing!

It doesn't (necessarily) mean that person doesn't want to be friends or doesn't value your group; it means they feel comfortable telling you how they feel even though doing so is a mild violation of social norms.

If I were in your shoes, I'd just make sure they're not accidentally booted from the group chat (etc.), but otherwise just leave them be. Maybe a couple of times a year mention something like "We're all going to ___ next week, if you'd like to join. No stress!" just as a keepalive, but otherwise let them do their own thing.

I have several very close, long-term friends that I've not spoken to in months or years, because that's just who we are and where we are in life. If any of them called me in an emergency I'd drop everything to help them, and I'm 100% confident they would do the same. We _have_ done that for each other before.

cultofmetatron 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>For context, this has been going on for 10 years and about a year ago everyone stopped trying.

frankly I'm a little jealous.... I can't imagine anyone, let alone a whole friend group, putting in that level of effort to stay in touch with me. I would probably disappear from everyone's imaginations if I didn't regularly reach out to people.

squigz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I was all ready to respond and defend this guy, but... yeah, no.

All advice has limits. In this case, "telling your friends to schedule their calls with you" is that limit... and then some.

Ancapistani 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I strongly disagree.

Maybe it's an age thing, a "head of household" thing, or just an A(u)DHD thing - but I've definitely been in places in my life where I didn't have time to do anything discretionary.

To put it another way - if they're willing to ask you to schedule time to talk to them, they're already violating social norms. Why would they bother to give you a way to get ahold of them if they didn't value the relationship? Why not just reply "I don't want to talk to you" instead?

It sounds to me like they're legitimately just way too busy, to the point that they're likely well down the road toward burnout and don't even have time for themselves.

michaelt 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

To me, it sounds like both sides are communicating successfully.

The group of friends is saying "you are invited" to someone probably disinterested - polite and inclusive to some, bothersome spam to others.

The 'workaholic' is saying "no thanks, and please stop bothering me"

The group of friends is stopping bothering him

Good clear adult communication, clearly expressing boundaries and gladly respecting them.

tandr 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you, a very heartwarming story indeed.

I think you just have coined a new saying - "Always invite Anna" sounds intriguing, and yet at the same time very descriptive.

CalChris an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Along a similar vein, I was working at a company. I was pretty much the gang leader for lunch.

One day a guy shows up at a desk. I dropped by and invited him to lunch, but thinking he’d say no. There was a considerable difference in our ages. But I thought I’d be polite and social.

He thought for a few seconds and said … sure.

He had the best stories. I have good stories. He had better. He’d been a dresser for Nureyev and traveled the world. He’d taught celestial navigation at RIT. He’d raced the Bermuda race and had a lifetime winning record against Buckley.

And he was dead three months later from the cancer he had that day. I can’t remember any of the lunch gang but I can remember him.

tolerance an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Was hoping that this was going to be about encouraging the use of shadow libraries.

The author of this should extend his LibGen browser to consult Anna’s Archive and z-lib:

https://github.com/Samin100/Alexandria

tantalor 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sometimes they have some good reason (like a religious observance) and they don't want to spoil the mood with an awkward explanation.

robofanatic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great story. Alexei is definitely a lucky man to be surrounded by good friends otherwise it’s too easy to be teased by your friends like your acting like some sort of philosopher or something.

poolnoodle 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This warmed my heart. Happy I read it.

influx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Conversely, tend towards saying yes if someone you want to hang out with invites you out, as they usually ask once and never again.

anttiharju an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Love the writing style

DrProtic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Happy you shared this, such a heartwarming story.

outside1234 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is some of the best advice you'll ever get about building inclusive teams and making people feel like they can approach you about anything.

If you can approach them and get rejected each time, then surely they can approach you for advice on how to approach a problem.

ge96 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That hero image I believe is from Lost in Translation

Which has an interesting scene the x-ray machines I think were flying overhead on these rails going between rooms

the_af 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, the header is from Lost in Translation.

nrawe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a great message, thanks for sharing.

throw849494836 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe she was just being polite, after several years.

"Friends" always invite us to their house. They have two large poorly behaved dogs, with no boundaries, and terrible hygiene. There is no way to explain, they love their dogs! So we always politely decline.

constantcrying an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also consider that maybe people do not want to party and the kind thing is not persistently inviting them, but rather actually find something to spend time with that person.

Not wanting to go out "to party" is not a moral failing, a problem, a fault, something which someone needs to overcome. If you like that person you can find something to do on a Friday night you both enjoy, if you don't then I doubt that you really care for that person at all.

deeg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We need more heroes of kindness.

kulahan 2 hours ago | parent [-]

We need more kind acts. It feels like these days are only focused on useless platitudes and complaints about useless platitudes, with all action taking a back seat.

Hell is full of good intentions, Heaven is full of good works.

nick__m an hour ago | parent [-]

it's the first time a read the second part of the maxim, thanks.

thinkingtoilet 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a great thing to remember when you have friends with depression. I had serious medical issues for a year and a half of my life and experienced depression because of it. There were so many things I said no to that I otherwise wouldn't have. People stopped asking at times and it made me feel so much more isolated. It is very true that just asking someone can go a long way, even you you're 99.99% sure they'll say no.

pjmlp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Now that was an interesting read.

p1mrx 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why Anna, and not a thousand other people in the area? She must've done something to enter the group in the first place.

chrsig 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You're sort of answering your own question. It was a matter of proximity. The thousand others were a greater distance in the initial conditions.

mardef 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why not everyone invite a different Anna?

I think the moral is for everyone to be individually a bit nicer, not one friend group to support an entire community.