IPv6 is not widely deployed in Spain.

https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...

Shhh. The lawyers barely know that ipv6 exists. They havent learned how to write out ipv6 addresses yet. Dont give them a reason to.

So that is why I don't get disconnected!!!

There's one recourse in the Constitutional Court driven by Clouflare and RootedCON but the thing about the Constitutional Court is that it can be very slow and it's heavily politicized and I'm not really sure the government position on this. Right now, only one leftist Catalan party has said anything against the blocks in the Congress. Also many mass media are not reporting this issues because they're also an interested party.

Freedom of speech, in the strong form that is most familiar in the US, is largely not a thing in other countries.

We have the freedom to say we're against it. The system is rotten to the core and run by people detached from reality.

So many people may not realize that this sort of thing has happened and does happen in the US.

Some may not know how large ISPs connect to each other. If you're sufficiently large, you basically get to peer for "free". There are common peering points where most of this happens. Now, how does traffic travel between ISPs? WWell, routing protocols (notably BGP4) dictate how these connetions are used.

Thing is, providers can directly and indirectly throttle traffic with all this. A famous example is where several US ISPs, notably Verizon FiOS (from my own experience) to Netflix. There was a time about a decade ago where in the evening you could get <500kbps and Netflix was unwatchable. Verizon alternated between denying it and saying it was a technical limitation.

But lo and behold if you just used a VPN to bypass Verizon's routing and peering Netflix was completely watchable.

Many believe (myself included) this was intentional to try and kill Netflix and prop up their declining cable TV business.

Why would they ever do that now that they have a captive audience? More likely it goes the other direction.

Football clubs have a billion eurodollar budget that they need to pay for. And how do they do that? With TV licensing.

I live in the Netherlands and everyone here has accepted that a Dutch club will never again get into a Championship League finale. Every Dutch star is playing in Spain or England.

If the experience is everything is blocked or everything is captcha hell, the latter still sounds like an improvement. I personally have no need for a VPN so I don’t know what the internet is like with one, but it does sound like without one the internet is essentially blocked.

The more widely used a VPN the more aggresively it's captcha’d, use a paid less known VPN and the experience improves dramatically

The games are presumably on the weekend. This is abou blocking streaming of games that are currently happening.

Matches are on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. Sometimes on Mondays.

So, yes.

It’s the harmless version of “my tribe battles your tribe” for thousands of years, without the bloodshed. We’ve evolved to enjoy competition in general.

Not everyone of course. But I find sports fans to be not that different from chess fans for example, in their passion, armchair strategy, and sheer emotional ups and downs.

My personal favorite sport is Formula 1. It tickles all the same parts of our sports fans brains, but also tickles my nerd brain with the strategy, lap math, and all the precision and tech (apart from the fact that I personally looooove driving and Kart racing)

About the tech, you’d be amazed at the amount of tech involved in F1. Just the bandwidth used for telemetry. The supercomputer simulations performed during races, etc. and that’s just the computer tech.

I used to think like you about sports. Until I started doing more sports, like bouldering (although at a pretty basic level).

I appreciate watching e.g bouldering competitions now simply because I can appreciate the difficulty more.

Had I stuck with playing football I imagine I would have had a similar experience now.

It's one thing to know you don't enjoy it for yourself.

But saying "I will never understand" sounds like willfull ignorance. It sounds dangerously close to not wanting to understand because you don't want to accidentally develop any sympathy for "the other side". Please don't fall into that trap.

It's (hopefully) unscripted drama. People enjoy drama.

It's a fun game

Come on.. anything of interest can be reduced to a few absurd actions absent of any context.

For example. I don't understand how: - moving pieces of wood around a board can have mass appeal - Smearing colored paint on material can have mass appeal - Smashing sticks against covered buckets can have mass appeal

Even worse when half of it is just people arguing over arbitrary rule interpretations.

Planning around rule interpretations is part of the strategy (if you’re good) (usually)

Agreed. I don't particularly feel inclined to watch millionaires kick a ball around.

What irks me are the grown, drunk people that get infected with hatred towards the other team and its fans.

They need to lecture these guys very seriously. La Liga is disrupting completely legit and business critical (probably in some cases safety critical) infrastructure, to.. combat piracy of entertainment content? The Spanish government is seemingly complicit. Feels like 2010 in some corrupt pseudo-democracy.

The EU is about to put an end to E2E and scan our messages which is a far worse human right violation.

Right now the EU is for regulation and total control.

Sounds like the ISP shouldn't be blocking hosting providers that are known to honor narrower takedown orders?

‘Move slow and break things’ would be a more accurate description. These shortcomings aren’t about innovation, they’re about cost.

Definitely part of the problem. A clear antitrust issue.

Depends on the country, over here i can legally share it with friends and family. As in legally create a copy and gift it.

I can't mass print/burn/copy copyrighted works, but the key word here is 'mass'.

You're right, I should have qualified that this is a limited use. But the limit is, in practice, quite fluid. They won't make a lawsuit over a slumber party. Probably not for a meetup. I expect they will for a theatre. Will they for a dive bar with a bunch of old CD's and DVD's? Or for a funeral?

The selective enforcement exposes to me that it doesn't really have a ethical leg to stand on.

The ability to do something and legality of it are mutually exclusive (ETA: oops, I mean independent of one another). OP appears to be making a moral argument anyway.

Regardless, no one will magically show up and break arbitrary cd player functionality like they are remotely disrupting Internet access if someone pirates la Liga.

I wasnt sure if 4G/mobile has the same 'open internet' rules that telcos usually have to follow for cabled connections.

But good idea using foreign SIM, although I'll probably need residential proof or probably have to give a blood sample at this rate.

In the overwhelming majority of cases. LBO (local break-out) apparently does exist, though I've never seen it personally.

I don’t think it does, at all.

That makes LaLiga look as if they were the victims, but they are not. They don't want to notify Cloudflare nor have done it any time since they started blocking it. LaLiga says that this blockings affects "hundreds" of people, and that they a rightful by doing that. Truth is, they are abusing their power and the spanish legal system to do whatever they want, as usual.

Cloudflare is not ignoring LaLiga and they are open to collaborate, but LaLiga refuses to do so, and are battling legally over it.

The next question is, why doesn't cloudfare cooperate instead of suffering disruption? Or why doesn't laliga ask cloudfare to cooperate if that's the issue? Surely cloudfare could block their own users more effectively.

I imagined a solution where authorities would notify the hosting company of the IPs that are streaming. It should be obvious for the hosting company which customer is using these IPs for streaming illegal content just by studying the traffic pattern, no need to actually look inside the packets.

Then they can just ban this customer. That way the authorities will not have a reason to ban IP ranges affecting the other customers.

Perhaps take some of the emotion out of it? I’m asking for perspective and history on the issue, not clueless as to why the situation is bad. This is a US hosted forum, the issue is happening in Spain. Perhaps clarity is called for that’s not specified in the article?

In the Netherlands, live streaming of Premier League matches is done by Viaplay (I'm guessing in other countries too?). Their service is very spotty, lots of buffering, especially during highly dynamic (e.g. important) parts of the matches, and they stream at very very low bitrate, often dropping down to 360p.

As a result, people cancel their subscriptions. To recuperate some of the losses, Viaplay now licenses one match every weekend to a third party streaming service, this year it is on Amazon Prime.

So, now besides the high cost and shoddy service, you suddenly need an additional streaming subscription to be able to view every match. Granted, the streaming on Prime is excellent though.

This weekend, the Prime match was Liverpool v Everton, which as a Dutchie is the most interesting match of the weekend (given Liverpool's title win last season, the Dutch trainer and several outstanding Dutch players).

Several friends of mine who are into football immediately quit their Viaplay subscription, so who knows how many matches will not be streamable through Viaplay next season?

As a legit customer you are constantly chasing an ever shifting landscape of poor quality and overpriced services. Meanwhile with an IPTV subscription you pay little, get high quality streams and have access to _all_ content.

Basketball is another one where there is stupidity.

I live in what my TV provider called a "dead zone".

I live in the NBA's "broadcast zone" for the Portland Trail Blazers. That means even with League Pass, I cannot watch their home games, because I am meant to watch them on my local TV provider.

But guess what, I don't live in the Seattle TV zone. So I don't have a local/any station that broadcasts Blazers game.

And the NBA doesn't care either. "Sure, you can only watch half of your team games, sucks to be you."

For personal viewing. How much do bars pay?

The reason is relevant because I asked what the reason was. I asked this because I wanted to know how the people of Spain and Laliga got here, the history is relevant.

You may only want to focus on the rights violations but that doesn’t make the history and reasons irrelevant.

I'm interested in hearing more about the evolution of copyright law wrt computer media in Spain. I see an article from 2001 describing how compiled software was not copyrightable in Spain at that time. [0] From [1] I see that individual file sharing, except for software, is allowed there.

Having seen how Sweden changed their copyright law in response to the Pirate Bay website [2], I wish everyone knew that it wasn't always this way, and that states maintain their own rules. The idea that "no one shall copy any corporation's media, ever" is a recent propaganda success.

[0] https://www.mondaq.com/copyright/14472/technology-protection...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_aspects_of_file_sharing

[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm

Computers and copyright are fairly recent in Spain and Italy? This is astonishingly ignorant, if not simple ragebait.

> Computers and copyright are fairly recent innovations in some parts of Europe such as Spain and Italy

LOL, what did you smoke, man?

At least in italy is more of a "people with economic interest in football are also in politics and thus are able to shape policies for their profit"

Man, Spanioards bought LEGAL ZX Spectrum games on book stores and such in the 80's as a solution for the rampant piracy. The companies themselves pushed down the prices for convenience.

Fairly recent innovations? Lol.