| ▲ | Aeolun 16 hours ago |
| What about what he said was so controversial? It seems entirely in line with everything else I’ve seen happen on these kinds of shows. |
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| ▲ | nerdponx 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It wasn't controversial, but this is literally the textbook Manufacturing Consent model. The small number of people in positions of power at the network are either overtly aligned with the president that he just talked bad about, or want to stay or get on the president's good side. He doesn't even need to pick up the phone or post anything on social media, they know what they need to do. |
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| ▲ | digitaltrees 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To be fair to the executives. The main regulator that could essentially issue the corporate death penalty, the FCC chairman that can revoke their license to operate, literally said “we can do this the easy way or the hard way”. That’s a Dirty Harry or goodfellas quote. So much for “government shouldn’t pick winners and losers in the economy”. | | |
| ▲ | lukev an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Alternatively, perhaps it is the duty of the executives to defend their company, its viewers and employees, when confronted with unlawful and unreasonable government demands. | |
| ▲ | thrance 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You really don't have to be fair to the executives. The FCC absolutely can't do shit about Jimmy Kimmel, and would lose the procedure if it ever came to it. Instead, they immediately bent the knee and decided that loyalty to the nascent fascist regime was more important that standing up against the most clear cut and unjustifiable attack to free speech in a long time. | | |
| ▲ | eusto 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | FCC can decide to not let the $6.2 billion Nexstar acquisition go through. Kimmel is just part of the bribe |
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| ▲ | kevin_thibedeau 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's more that ABC/Disney is beholden to two right-leaning broadcasters who are colluding with threats to assist in their prohibited merger that will be approved now because they just gave the felon a successful hand job. There is no indication that the ABC execs are anything more than spineless, unprincipled cowards who cave in a light breeze. | |
| ▲ | christophilus 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Unless everyone at the top has been fired, ABC and Disney are not remotely aligned with the president. A short while ago, they were boycotted by the right for their slanted debate hosting and woke children’s programming. | | |
| ▲ | nothrabannosir 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Those two could be entirely compatible if it turns out they never gave a hoot about the actual politics, and only did all that stuff because they thought it would get them more favor with viewers, and thereby more money. I would personally not raise an eyebrow to learn this was the case. |
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| ▲ | yieldcrv 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think most commenters are missing that a local broadcaster monopoly used their own freedom of association to drop the show The FCC and Trump merely dogpiled on this For Disney, they need to court the broadcaster monopoly as a key stakeholder to their revenue, this is all private sector and not a constitutional issue But when Disney is getting kicked and then an expensive fight with the government looms while their revenue is already threatened and would be expensive to resolve with the government , they buckled Thats the calculus here but because they buckled, now their customers are using their own freedom of association to disassociate, hampering Disney’s revenue more from that angle Press F to Pay Respects | | |
| ▲ | willmarch 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | The FCC and Trump "merely" dogpiling on is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution and should be condemned by all. | | |
| ▲ | yieldcrv 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ok. “Yes, its scary and authoritarian because it worked.” I said the line guys, happy? Moving on There is also a protest of Nexstar’s advertisers to get them to avoid Nexstar for cancelling Jimmy Kimmel on their local broadcasters to begin with |
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| ▲ | djohnston 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I suspect they were looking for an excuse to axe and found one. It was all milquetoast, and that entire format of television is dead and the networks know they need to pivot somewhere. |
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| ▲ | epistasis 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The FCC chair threatening your broadcast license is a pretty good "excuse". There wasn't a public outcry, it was a government outcry along with threats along multiple lines of leverage. | | |
| ▲ | OutOfHere 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The FCC chair threatening your broadcast license That's a clear violation of the First Amendment. | | |
| ▲ | epistasis 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yep! And he wrote the whole chapter in Project 2025 outlining that he would do exactly this, in advance of taking the job. Who is going to stop him? The Supreme Court? Not likely. | |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not necessarily. Broadcasters have a license from the government to use the airwaves and they are obligated to act in the public interest. So some restrictions apply to them. | | |
| ▲ | digitaltrees 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 1. You can’t take someone’s property with out due process of law. There has been no showing that they violated that obligation. 2. The constitution has supremacy, so you can’t violate someone’s first amendment rights in service of FCC regulations. In fact there is a more than credible argument that criticizing and mocking politicians is an essential public service. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Broadcasters have a license from the government to use the airwaves and they are obligated to act in the public interest. So some restrictions apply to them. Necessarily. Carr threatened to revoke licenses based on the political speech of ABC. That's clearly unconstitutional. Trump followed up by saying licenses should be revoked for criticism of himself. Unitary President cuts both ways. If this is okay, the next Democrat who's President needs to shut down Fox News and their ilk or be impeached. (From the perspective of fomenting rebellion and generally posing a threat to our republic, Jimmy Kimmel isn't even on the list.) | | |
| ▲ | yannyu 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Fox News is technically cable, as the other poster under you has noted, which is a favored defense for this sort of discussion. What they ignore is that local Fox affiliate stations who are also licensed by the FCC have a history of aligning with Fox News misinformation campaigns relating to covid, election integrity, Russia and Ukraine, Palestine, etc. So no, the FCC licensed world is not left leaning, and these local affiliate stations should absolutely be held to the same standard. | |
| ▲ | billfor 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Fox news doesn't have a broadcast license. ABC does.
As with redistricting, democrats are limited because things are already biased in their favor. Broadcast networks are all center-left at this point, if not then show me one major broadcaster that is center right. Democrats basically have nobody to go after. To your point, The Democrats, when back in power, could extend licensing issues into cableTV, etc... and attempt to fire Fox or Newsmax commentators... I would argue the Biden administration already attempted to do a form of this, as we saw with Facebook, Twitter, et al, the last administration certainly tried influencing the online arena. I just think both sides do it, although on this forum it seems to trigger mostly the left side. | | |
| ▲ | kenjackson 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Fox News doesn’t have a broadcast license but Fox Broadcasting does. If people are doing this sort of extortion, it wouldn’t be a leap to see the whole Fox corporation in the crosshairs. This is all just a terrible precedent for what the future holds. | | |
| ▲ | SauciestGNU 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Except non-NewsCorp Fox assets were bought by none other than Disney! It's a gordian knot of monopolistic corruption! |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > would argue the Biden administration already attempted to do a form of this, as we saw with Facebook, Twitter, et al, the last administration certainly tried influencing the online arena Not comparable. That said, I agree—if this precedent stands, there should be personal liability for Newsmax commenters under a future administration. (And, of course, they should be barred from federal property.) One would also go after the online streaming companies to delist their content. Google and Meta are constantly under antitrust controlled. TikTok is government owned. And you could start knocking on X with its money-transfer ambitions and Elon’s robotaxi approvals (to say nothing of federal contracts). |
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| ▲ | akerl_ 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Which restriction applied here? | |
| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's not what the public interest requirement means. In fact, the FCC's own website says "the public interest is best served by permitting free expression of views."[0] And anyway, there are specific carve outs for late-night programming. [0] https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/fcc-and-speech | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | However the same website they describes the exceptions and limits: https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting#JOUR... > Hoaxes. The broadcast by a station of false information concerning a crime or catastrophe violates the FCC's rules if: > The station licensee knew that the information was false There quite a few other rules, obscenity and violence and such. But they probably got Jimmy on the crime that was just committed + spreading false information. | | |
| ▲ | SauciestGNU 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Nothing he said was false though, the Republicans were trying to paint the shooter as anyone other than one of their own. It might be that he's actually a leftist, but Kimmel described Republican behavior and did not actually make any assertions of fact regarding the alleged shooter. | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | There was some initial social media reaction portraying this guy as some hard right fascist or whatever, as well. So it wasn't something just Kimmel had come up with. It could be that by the time the show started more evidence came out and he was looking more one way, and Jimmy just had stale info or his staffers were lazy and didn't update him. > Nothing he said was false though, the Republicans were trying to paint the shooter as anyone other than one of their own. Yeah, and the show owners could have fought it. There might be a warning, a lawsuit, maybe a period to comply and make changes etc. But they folded immediately. They probably figured technically they could have explained it, but the PR aspect of it was a losing battle. Here is another part of the country flying flags half staff, and what is ABC's doing? Oh right, explaining away Kimmel's news and jokes and defending him. A lot of these corporations and their leaders can smell the way the wind blows and they really hate it when the wind blows away their profits, so they just react accordingly. |
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| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What hoax or false info? Also, Kimmel isn't a journalist or news reporter and his show isn't broadcast journalism. As far as obscenity rules, the rules don't necessarily apply between 10pm and 6am; "obscene" material is not allowed at any time of day, but "indecent" material is allowed on late-night television. These are terms that have specific meaning in the context of the law, and what Kimmel said would in no way rise to the level of obscene. | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | So why did the network fold so quickly? It's a simple enough explanation "we not journalists, these are all made up jokes and parodies, we send our condolences to the family ... etc". They folded because they knew how the statement was perceived. Here is half the country flying flags half staff and ABC owners are defending Kimmel. They are worried about views and profits and when that is threatened everything goes out of the window. Paradoxically, I think Kimmel is all of the sudden on top again, just due to the controversy. The younger crowd who don't sit and watch ABC, might have just learned about this Kimmel guy the first time. May be another network will pick him up, it could be a win for him overall. | | |
| ▲ | willmarch 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No, they folded because the United States Federal government threatened them. That fact is the only thing that should matter in this discussion. This is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment by the government against protected speech (no matter how many people find that protected speech distasteful). | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > No, they folded because the United States Federal government threatened them. Yes because they control the FCC and FCC has rules in regards to the content of broadcasts. Kimmel is free to say anything he wants on his own website or platform and such, but as soon as it's on the "air" rules apply. > This is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment by the government against protected speech (no matter how many people find that protected speech distasteful). If it's that clear the would have fought it. It wasn't clear at all. Moreover it was just a bad PR look instead of saying something like "condolences for the family blah blah" they would be defending Kimmel's phrasing. That's why they dropped like him a hot potato. |
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| ▲ | kingkawn 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Perception has nothing to do with it, the mafia-threats did | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Perception has nothing to do with it, the mafia-threats did Mafia threats work precisely because of perception. The perception of the power is the power. If everyone caves, and can't fight back, the mafia gets stronger. |
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| ▲ | rdtsc 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | As it turns out the government can dictate how the broadcast frequencies are used, including dictate things about the content. The company could have switched to online only and continued the show. Heck, they should have called uncle sam's bluff maybe and see what happened. They are not sending Jimmy to gulag or arresting him. Jimmy can still continue his show just maybe on his own youtube channel or his own online platform or something. | | |
| ▲ | pseudalopex 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "[g]overnment officials cannot attempt to coerce private parties in order to punish or suppress views that the government disfavors"[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association_of_... | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | The executive branch controls the FCC which controls broadcasting licenses. Specifically broadcast journalism over the air is controlled https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting#JOUR... Note: > Nevertheless, there are two issues related to broadcast journalism that are subject to Commission regulation: hoaxes and news distortion. Hoaxes. The broadcast by a station of false information concerning a crime or catastrophe violates the FCC's rules if [...] The station licensee knew that the information was false. All Jimmy had to do, it seems, was to say "this is all a made up joke" and move on, instead of presenting whatever he was saying as information or news. > If a station airs a disclaimer before the broadcast that clearly characterizes the program as fiction and the disclaimer is presented in a reasonable manner under the circumstances, the program is presumed not to pose foreseeable public harm. > However, as public trustees, broadcast licensees may not intentionally distort the news. The FCC has stated that “rigging or slanting the news is a most heinous act against the public interest.” The Commission will investigate a station for news distortion if it receives documented evidence of rigging or slanting, such as testimony or other documentation, from individuals with direct personal knowledge that a licensee or its management engaged in the intentional falsification of the news. Of particular concern would be evidence of the direction to employees from station management to falsify the news. However, absent such a compelling showing, the Commission will not intervene. Again, Jimmy didn't get sent to the gulag and didn't go to jail. He can still run a show on his own platform or a youtube channel or maybe Netflix will sign him up. Heck, after this, I'd say he would easily triple his view numbers if anything. | | |
| ▲ | willmarch 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The US government threatened a private company in an attempt to suppress speech that is protected under the 1st Amendment from government interference. This is a violation of the US Constitution. Full stop. | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > This is a violation of the US Constitution. Full stop I needs a comma, or semicolon at least. > The US government threatened a private company Threatened with what, imprisonment, death? They threatened to pull the FCC license. It turns out broadcast content is controlled by the government. It always has been. Kimmel can and should continue saying what he was saying on his own website or platform or whatever. > This is a violation of the US Constitution. Ok, let's say it's a clear cut violation, with a full stop, an open and shut case. ABC can file a lawsuit, it's an easy win isn't then? And, plus they get to show how they fought and won over fascism. Why did they fold so quickly then? |
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| ▲ | kingkawn 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s a lotta words to justify complete bs | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > That’s a lotta words to justify complete bs If that's the rebuttal, I'll take it as an acknowledgement that's it's right. |
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| ▲ | rfrey 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Today: he's not been sent to jail. Tomorrow: it's not like they executed him. | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Today: he's not been sent to jail. > Tomorrow: it's not like they executed him. Yes threatening to pull the FCC license and canceling Kimmel's show is exactly like torturing, killing and imprisoning people in labor and death camps. We should all fell very sorry for poor Jimmy, we don't know how he'll even manage. | | |
| ▲ | willmarch 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | In the sense of both of them being violations of the US Constitution, yes they are exactly the same. | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Absolutely. That perfectly illustrates my point. Thank you. |
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| ▲ | beej71 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If that's the case, the next Democrat is definitely ending right wing talk radio. | | |
| ▲ | jaybrendansmith 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And what makes you think we will continue to have elections? This Project 25 is clearly a plan to destroy our Republic and subject us all to minority Christo-Fascist rule. We need to wake up and recognize what we are up against, or it is guaranteed to happen here. | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah that is definitely on the table, we'll see what happens. Here, interestingly, just a threat was enough. I wonder why the owners didn't want to fight it at all? The speed with with they folded was very telling. As others mentioned, I suspect if they decided they just didn't want to keep paying Kimmel for the show. He was making somewhere around $15m/year or something they saw a chance to say "goodbye". | |
| ▲ | 28304283409234 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What on earth makes you think there will be a next Democrat? |
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| ▲ | ummonk 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s actually a terrible excuse as the backlash is demonstrating. Even if they were about to axe the show all along it would have been a good idea to delay that to avoid the appearance they were caving to government pressure. | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | > It’s actually a terrible excuse as the backlash is demonstrating. Even if they were about to axe the show all along it would have been a good idea to delay that to avoid the appearance they were caving to government pressure. But that meant having to defend making up stuff about a murder and comment on the crime even as the others are flying flags half staff. Quickly showing they caved to government's pressure was exactly the look they wanted. And let's say fought back, who would that be for? They younger viewers are not sitting at home watching TV and cheering Jimmy on. Many don't even know who Jimmy is; they just learned this week because it's on social media. So putting some kind of a defense and turning it into a battle rather than caving would have been the worse of the two choices they had. | | |
| ▲ | danaris 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > But that meant having to defend making up stuff about a murder What was Kimmel making up? The fact that the shooter was conservative, from a conservative family? The fact that Kirk openly advocated for gun violence? Please do tell us exactly what was being "made up," here. | | |
| ▲ | rdtsc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The fact that the shooter was conservative, from a conservative family? He implied it was trump maga head or some kind. Not just implied, he made it sound like it's a sure thing. Moreover, it applied to a crime that was just committed. When FCC threatened them ABC knew they couldn't appeal or fight. It wasn't worth it, it would have been a PR disaster. This guy is nothing like a maga whatever, he as trans girlfriend, leftist views, parents said that much (they are the ones who turned him even), wrote "Bella ciao" on bullets and "catch, fascist" and most importantly heshoots a trump-loving personality like Kirk. How did Kimmel arrive at him being some trump fan, I don't see it. That's the intentionally spreading misinformation related to a crime, good enough for FCC to threaten him and good enough for ABC to realize they'll be in a losing game defending him. |
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| ▲ | bluGill 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I find it hard to take that threat seriously. There would be blood on the street - real blood - americans won't stand for it. (Some will of course but enough would not that the fcc would blink) | | |
| ▲ | Cheer2171 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | FCC chair literally said "We can do this the easy way or the hard way" the easy way being ABC cancelling it, the hard way being pulling the license. And if you wait for the license to be pulled as your red line, you misunderstand how this works. This is an actual threat, the kind of thing that mobsters get RICO charges for. The threat has done its work and served the purposes of the administration. The crime has already taken place. The mobster says "but he agreed to pay the protection money and nobody ever actually broke his kneecaps" "These companies can find ways to change conduct and take actions on Kimmel,” said Carr, a Trump appointee, “or there’s going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.” https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/article/jimmy-kimmel-liv... | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Anyone can say anything. Follow through and abc can just ignore the order and tell everyone watching what is happening. They have the power of the pen and will get people running to their congressman. they blinked so we will never know. | | |
| ▲ | ethbr1 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Anyone can say anything. Not as the federal government, because it explicitly lacks the freedom of speech citizens are ensured by the Constitution. And absent a first amendment claim, the best defense they can come up with would be 'We were joking.' Which, given the well-cited history of coercion by this administration (both in verbalized plans and actions), would be a hard defense to make. | |
| ▲ | epistasis 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Saying that they blinked seems to be an admission that it was a threat with impact, no? What is there to blink about if it was not a threat? If I walk up to someone with a gun and wave the gun around and demand they give me their money or I'll shoot them, it does not matter if I was "serious" or not about the threat. If I tell a jury that I wouldn't have actually ever have shot the person, and that they just decided to give me their money because they didn't really need it so much, I'm not sure any jury would agree, unless I was a hell of a salesman. | |
| ▲ | Cheer2171 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You seem to be saying that what happened is fine because it never actually got to a truly unconstitutional or get-in-the-streets worthy level of censorship. You seem to be saying if they actually revoked the license, that would be the red line. But because they never did, no harm, no foul. What we are saying is that just by making the threat, the censorship has full and complete effect. They don't need to revoke the license to use the power of the government to influence constitutionalally protected speech. They just need to threaten. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is not fine. I'm saying they should have had the guts to fight | | |
| ▲ | throw0101a 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > It is not fine. I'm saying they should have had the guts to fight Yes they should have. But ideally we should live in a society that guts aren't necessary because threats are not made, especially from the government. It's the second part that's the everyone is really worried about. |
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| ▲ | Cheer2171 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Anyone can say anything. This is illegal: "Nice business you've got here," the police officer says. "Shame that crime is on the rise. And we don't have as many officers to patrol. But give a donation and we'll take care of you. Don't and we'll stop answering your 911 calls." Now replace with "We heard what you said about the mayor. Apologize or we'll stop answering your 911 calls." | |
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| ▲ | BoiledCabbage 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I find it hard to take that threat seriously. Based on everything that has gone one that seems to me at least very naive. There was practically a textbook length document outlining what the administrstion planned to do if they got in power and they are going step by step through it. The president said there are 4 comedians (who make fun of him) that he wants to get off the air. After this event he posted something along the lines of "2 down, 2 to go." Followed by "Why don't you just force the other two out now?". There was nothing wrong about what was said - they just already have a plan and pick any small item to claim is the cause. For example they want to defund left leaning non profits and think tanks. They don't have a reason to. But now they are trying to claim they motivated the Kirk killing - not because they think it did, but because it's what is already their plan. People still thinking they are being objectives or that there are "norms" left, in my opinion haven't been paying attention. | |
| ▲ | epistasis 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The threat was taken seriously. I don't believe you yet that Americans won't stand for it. There have been so many red lines crossed that most Americans don't even know what's going on. | |
| ▲ | infinite8s 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Would you have gone to the streets for it? | |
| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Americans are standing for it. There's a lot of "I'm a free speech absolutist, but..." coming out of the American right-wing right now. |
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| ▲ | fakeBeerDrinker 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | He was last averaging 129K viewers per episode in the 18-49 demographic, I'd say that is a far better "excuse" than a threat from the FCC. As if DIS doesn't have a legion of attorneys. Give me a break. | | |
| ▲ | vlovich123 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I really don’t understand this argument that he wasn’t popular as if that’s at all relevant. Aside from the cost of putting the legion of attorneys protecting a show that’s not bringing enough revenue and the fact, there’s a broader risk with the Nexstar merger that requires explicit government approval that the FCC also threatened. More importantly, his viewership didn’t suddenly change and the cancellation came about pretty clearly as a result of the FCC threat and not any business decision the company would have made otherwise. Not a lawyer but I would think that Kimmel has a 1a lawsuit he could bring against DIS and the government. | | | |
| ▲ | genghisjahn 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | He was last averaging 220K in 18-49 demographic. That beat out Colbert (barely) and trounced Fallon. https://latenighter.com/news/ratings/late-night-tv-ratings-q... | | | |
| ▲ | epistasis 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If he was averaging suppoosedly bad numbers, why wasn't he fired before? Just a pure coincidence? I'm not sure if you think people are extremely gullible, because one would have to be in order to buy that line. If there's a threat going on, and an another excuse the threatened can blame, the threat is no less potent. |
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| ▲ | esalman 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > networks know they need to pivot somewhere. Please don't say the pivot is podcasts. | |
| ▲ | 1oooqooq 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | having experience with a dictatorship first hand, all a censor does is veto milquetoast stuff. | |
| ▲ | gruez 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >It was all milquetoast, ??? It was a very obvious dig at the president. There's still not good justification for the government to step in, but claiming it's "milquetoast" is baffling. | | |
| ▲ | derefr 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Digs directed at the President or the administration are and always have been well within the Overton window in American journalism, and previous Presidents and administrations have just seen them as a fact of life and brushed them off. Thus “milquetoast”: an implication that any reaction to this is, objectively, an overreaction. That the current President is a habitual over-reactor does not change that fact. It just means that you can paradoxically be taking a heterodox / outré stance by saying objectively milquetoast things. | |
| ▲ | add-sub-mul-div 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Have you ever seen a late night show? Monologue jokes about the sitting president practically define the format. Every other president going back decades would just man up and take it. | | | |
| ▲ | djohnston 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I guess it depends on the sort of media you consume. I’ve seen Destiny saying conservatives need to be afraid of getting shot, and it seems like he’s still alive. The other people who lost jobs seemed to have said much more direct and offensive remarks than Kimmel as well. |
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| ▲ | tempodox 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| He dared to ridicule uncle Donald and his gang. That’s more than enough. |
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| ▲ | autoexec 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Honestly, I thought it was way more tame than I'd expect for comedy these days, but it's also been a long time since I watched a late night talk show and traditionally the ones on the old networks tended to have much more mild and lighthearted comedy compared to the more biting/edgy stuff you'd get on cable. |
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| ▲ | myvoiceismypass 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It hurt the feelings of the "fuck your feelings" crowd, who started frothing at the mouth before even thinking about what was actually said. |
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| ▲ | pacomerh 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| nothing of what he said was controversial, Im convinced they were just waiting for the next joke to do it anyways. |
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| ▲ | slumpt_ 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It criticized the potus, and threat of his ire is enough to scare corporations in 2025. A fairly concerning development |
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| ▲ | mingus88 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is their Horst Wessel moment. It doesn’t matter what actually happened, it’s just the minimal cover to do what they always planned on doing. Don’t believe me? Trump literally announced his plans months ago to take down these talk show hosts who were so mean to him Poor guy :( |
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| ▲ | gamblor956 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The owner of the Sinclair Broadcasting group (the company that owns the ABC stations that started this) is a far-right ideologue that has been trying to drag ABC into News Nation territory for the past decade or so. Nothing Kimmel said was controversial. It was just being used as a false flag to justify other things. |
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| ▲ | option 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nothing. But wannabe dictator got offended |
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| ▲ | sixtyj 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And the second wave of subscription cancellations will be from people who are upset with Disney+ decision… Smart move of executive :) /s |
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| ▲ | thepasswordis 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | CalChris 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not a business decision. His contract was renewed in 2022 and he had 1.77 million total viewers per night. https://www.statista.com/chart/35165/us-late-night-show-rati... | |
| ▲ | scheeseman486 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > What Kimmel Said, and the affiliates broadcasted, was a claim that Charlie Kirk’s assassin was a “maga” supporter. This is the actual quote: "We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it," Note that he doesn't say that the shooter was MAGA, only that those within the right wing influencer sphere were desperately trying to characterize the shooter as anything other than one of them. This is unambiguously and factually true. I swear, media literacy in the united states is in the fucking toilet. | | |
| ▲ | andsoitis 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them > Note that he doesn't say that the shooter was MAGA then who does the "them" refer to? | | | |
| ▲ | autoexec 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Really, literacy in generally is tanking in the US. In 2024 over half the adults in the country couldn't even read at a sixth grade level! 21% are outright illiterate. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > he doesn't say that the shooter was MAGA, only that those within the right wing influencer sphere were desperately trying to characterize the shooter as anything other than one of them. This is unambiguously and factually true. I'll put it in the technically true but ambiguously misinformation category. (Which is on every metric better than what goes on at Fox.) | | |
| ▲ | defrost 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | > technically true but ambiguous which has been the backbone of satirical and scathing social and political commentary in the western world for 50 years at least. The Daily Show, The -s30e102- 2025-09-18 Maria Ressa episode with Jon Stewart's monologue and interview went another way, "rolling over" completely into total Trump submission followed by drawing direct comparisons to Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte popularist seizing of control of government. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Ressa * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yup. The number of people defending this makes me seriously wonder if we need a two-speed democracy. One class that is given safety. The other who is exposed to dangerous elements like Jimmy Kimmel… |
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| ▲ | dismalaf 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "My wife wants to go for dinner but I'd like to eat anything other than fish." Strongly implies the wife in the sentence wants to eat fish. Anyone with a moderate grasp of English understands what Kimmel was implying. "Trying to characterize him as anything other than one of them". <- The implication is definitely that he's "one of them". | | |
| ▲ | scheeseman486 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | That isn't the same and you know it. Kimmel made no direct comment about what the shooter was aligned with, only about what the right wing sphere was attempting to frame them as being. Anyone with a moderate grasp of English should be able to tell the difference. |
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| ▲ | novemp 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > There’s a relatively narrow rule which prohibits fcc licensed stations from knowing broadcasting false information if it has the possibility of creating civil unrest. Oh wow, I didn't realize Fox News wasn't FCC-licensed. | | |
| ▲ | flutas 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | > fcc licensed stations Think your local K[3 letter] west of the Mississippi, W[3 letter] east of the Mississippi*. Not "Showtime" or "HBO" or "Cartoon Network" or "CNN" or "Fox News" or "MSNBC". That's why the affiliates started pulling it, because their license is what's on the line, not ABC/Disney directly. *: Except for KDKA, KYW, WFAA, WBAP, WOAI, WDAY, and WNAX. | | |
| ▲ | aaronharnly 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, the subset of stations that pulled the show were the ones owned by a (right-wing) company, Nexstar, that has proposed a merger that is up for FCC review. It wasn’t fear of being punished for allowing a “falsehood” on the air, it was pursuit of favorable treatment from a political appointee. | | |
| ▲ | flutas 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sinclair (38 stations) also pulled it and they own more than Nexstar (28 stations). FWIW The Hollywood Reporter also is reporting that advertisers started threatening to pull their support as well[0] as several smaller stations. > Meanwhile, the advertiser calls began to roll in and then the big affiliate conglomerates, Nexstar and Sinclair, threatened to preempt the show. The second source says that the blowback was snowballing enough that had ABC not acted, Kimmel’s show would have been dark in a large swath of the country, even beyond the Sinclair and Nexstar territories (including in the Washington, D.C., metro area). [0]: https://archive.is/ADaHT |
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| ▲ | sapphicsnail 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Do you not think the decision was political? | |
| ▲ | jiggawatts 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > was a claim that Charlie Kirk’s assassin was a “maga” supporter. I just watched the video. What he said was that MAGA supporters were too quick to blame anyone but the right, before there was any evidence about the shooter’s identity or political stance. That’s a fact. | | |
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| ▲ | autoexec 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's 100% true that MAGA people were being very vocal all over social media trying to characterize him as not being a trump supporter. What part of that do you think was a lie? | |
| ▲ | gricardo99 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | he’s clearly commenting on how the “maga gang” is characterizing the murderer. There’s no statement directly about the murderer. | |
| ▲ | scheeseman486 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How is it false? It isn't making the claim that the shooter was MAGA, but commenting on the right wing influencer sphere's recurring habit of accusing mass shooters of being associated with any group other than themselves. | |
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| ▲ | scheeseman486 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | > "anything other than one of them" can very easily be interpreted in two ways, one of them leading a person to believe that the adult (not a kid) was somehow "MAGA" Anything can be interpreted in any way you want as long as you're arguing in bad faith > at the very least, the situation as tense as it was (is?), Jimmy could have chosen to leave it alone for a bit - why say that MAGA is trying to "score political points" at this time? Why not consider that many people are genuinely grieving and upset? lmao, no one, right wing influencers nor the government, is doing this. > ABC fired his butt, not the FCC or anyone else. A sternly worded message from the FCC chairman doesn't make a company like DIS fire someone unless it is convenient for DIS. That's a fact. It isn't "a fact". If a mob goon threatens action on an employer unless that employer punishes an employee, who the hell do you think is actually responsible? |
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| ▲ | ummonk 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | He never said he was a MAGA supporter but that he was being claimed to be not “one of them”. Given that the shooter came from a conservative family in a conservative town and attended trade school and spent his time gaming, I think it’s reasonable to say that he was a product of the right wing milieu, and not a product of left wing indoctrination as the right alleges. | | |
| ▲ | siliconc0w 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | He also shot the guy with his Dad's Dad's gun. It turns out that if you keep a gun around, it'll eventually be used to shoot someone. | |
| ▲ | thepasswordis 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The fact that you believe this is the exact reasoning behind trying to prevent things like what Jimmy Kimmel did here. It could not be more cut and dry than this. In fact it is so cut and dry that a conspiracy theory on both the left and the right is that the text messages demonstrating his political motivations aren’t genuine. | | |
| ▲ | ummonk 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are you asserting that he followed left wing influencers or read left wing books or attended left wing classes or somehow got his indoctrination from left wing sources? There isn’t any evidence of that - there is only evidence that he hated the right wing (and to the contrary there is obvious evidence he came from a right wing milieu - just take a look at his parents). Simply hating a side doesn’t mean you have been indoctrinated by the other side - just look at people who left fundamentalist religious sects. |
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| ▲ | tcn33 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | what a load of bullshit. |
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| ▲ | al_borland 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| He said the guy who shot Charlie Kirk was MAGA, which isn’t true, according to the information that has come out from those actually working on the case in the various press conferences, and from the evidence that’s been made public. It wasn’t meaningful to the joke he was looking to set up, it was just misinformation for misinformation’s sake. At least it came off that way. Add to that high emotions from people coping with a murder, and there you have it. |
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| ▲ | superultra 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | He did not say that the kid was MAGA, or at least not exactly. Here’s all he said about it: > We hit some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. > In between the finger pointing there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half-staff, which got some criticism, but on a human level you can see how hard the President is taking this. He then played a clip where a reporter asked Trump how he was doing. Trump said good and immediately started talking about his new ballroom. What about any of that is misinformation? Given how they were certain the shooter was trans because he used arrows on the bullet - which were helldiver 2 codes - it did seem like people were trying to make it seem like the kid wasn’t MAGA. Turns out the kid is neither, or both, and was just terminally online, which none of us want to admit is the real problem because we’re all also terminally online. | | |
| ▲ | al_borland 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? It heavily implies that he is maga, and that’s why the maga gang is trying to deflect. A lot of conclusions were jumped to early on by everyone. Things are more clear now, but still not 100%. From what I’ve seen so far he was a Trump supporter in his early teens, but did a full 180 in recent years, due to the influence on the internet, as you mentioned, and who knows what else. If the ultimate joke was to laugh at Trump talking about his ballroom, I don’t see what his maga comments added to that. He stepped into a hornets nest and added nothing to the joke in the process. | | |
| ▲ | pseudalopex 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? No. > It heavily implies that he is maga No. | | |
| ▲ | apparent 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why would someone have to "desperately try to characterize" someone as something that they clearly are? To me, that language is clearly indicating that it is somehow difficult to do. At that time, it was fairly apparent that he was not MAGA, at least not in any remotely common sense of the word. | | |
| ▲ | defrost 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | > At that time, it was fairly apparent that he was not MAGA The criticism of the "MAGA gang" was _not_ about their actions at the time of the Kimmel broadcast, it was very much about their immediate behavior as soon as the shooting hit the news .. the time when nothing was known, the time when the FBI head was making statements about suspects that were untrue, the time when the US head of state was declaring war on the left .. you know, the time when nothing was known about the political allegiance of the shooter .. or the lack thereof. I'm an outside observer, from here it's clear that the US has fallen deep into an Us v Them K-hole and that the current administration is all too happy to turn up the heat on the divisions that render the nation asunder .. the chaos makes the heist all the easier. | | |
| ▲ | apparent 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | I could imagine interpreting the statement that way if he had said either before or after that it turned out the shooter was not MAGA. But stating it on its own, the effect in my mind was pretty clear: to communicate that the shooter was MAGA, and that the MAGA gang was doing their best to deny it. |
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| ▲ | superultra 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The current president and vice president of the United States said on multiple media channels that an entire racial demographic of people in a city were eating cats and dogs, and those same people are concerned about the minutia of a late night comedian’s informational and semantic accuracy (who they also claim no one watches, which is probably itself mostly true). That’s a lot of pearl clutching don’t you think | |
| ▲ | myvoiceismypass 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Your god-president lies every single time he opens his mouth. Huge lies. The biggest lies. He also ridicules everyone he dislikes. With hurtful language. All the time. He has never apologized for jack shit. > Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? It heavily implies that he is maga, and that’s why the maga gang is trying to deflect. No one is tuning into Jimmy Kimmell for "news", though I am quite sure that his show is more truthful on a daily basis than your Fox News & Newsmax liars. > If the ultimate joke was to laugh at Trump talking about his ballroom, I don’t see what his maga comments added to that. He stepped into a hornets nest and added nothing to the joke in the process. The joke is that Trump probably does not give a flying fuck about Kirk. He cares about himself. That's it. He pivoted right to bragging about his dumb fucking ballroom. | | |
| ▲ | al_borland an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Your god-president > your Fox News & Newsmax You’re making a lot of assumptions here. Nowhere do I claim any party affiliation. Someone asked a question about why what Jimmy said was controversial, and I did my best to answer why a person might be upset. Other people who may have said similar things aren’t really relevant and it just gets into a game of whataboutism. |
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| ▲ | stazz1 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It was a political assassination done by someone who vehemently disagreed with certain viewpoints. The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. Kimmel's comments were grossly inaccurate and wildly irresponsible. | | |
| ▲ | margalabargala 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. The only thing clear about the shooter's political positions, is that it'll be presented as whatever will be most convenient to the speaker. He held views that individually map across the spectrum, allowing anyone to point to something and assign him at an arbitrary location. | |
| ▲ | dralley 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Which is known now, but was absolutely not known at the time. There was so, so much complete BS being spread during those 24-48 hours. | | | |
| ▲ | mcphage 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Kimmel's comments were grossly inaccurate and wildly irresponsible. Kimmel’s comments are about the behavior of the MAGA world, and they were true: the MAGA world was trying very hard to push the idea that the shooter was not one of them. | |
| ▲ | brendoelfrendo 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. I'm sorry, which details? Why does his opinion about a handful of topics mean that we can infer his entire worldview? Why do we have to assume that his views mapped neatly onto one end of the US political spectrum or the other? | | |
| ▲ | superultra 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think the problem no one on either side wants to admit is that these shooters rarely fall into either side. They’re mentally unstable people who are attracted to fringe crazy ideas, regardless of the political stripes. Their behavior indicts all of us Americans. But of course admitting that and doing something about it means working together, which is a much harder solution than pointing fingers at the other side and doing little else. |
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| ▲ | c420 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| To those that are interpreting his comments in a certain way, the implication that Robinson is maga is highly offensive and textbook "misinformation". Edit: there's clearly several ways to interpret what he said. I'm not making any kind of argument here, just answering op's question. |
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| ▲ | thrance 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So when a talk show host vaguely on the left implies something that might not be true it is ground enough to disregard the fucking first amendment and use the power of the state to censor him. But when the entire GOP, including the president, all fabricate obvious lies about the shooter being successively trans, then antifa and then a radical leftist, it's fine. The double standards are fucking crazy. | |
| ▲ | rogerrogerr 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not so much offensive, as utterly puzzling given the information we had on him by Monday night. Not a fan of Trump or Jimmy, and I don’t think this is a proportional or good response. I’m pretty stunned that there was actually momentum enough to take him off the air. I also don’t understand why he left that little dig in his monologue. | | |
| ▲ | Terr_ 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Which information? The completely unverified stuff based on "a reconstruction" or "aggressive interview posture" from the same FBI led by the guy currently contradicting himself and telling lies in front of Congress? This Administration was basically founded on making strident claims on TV which turned out to be lies they couldn't back up in a court of law. | |
| ▲ | yibg 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Doesn't seem that outlandish given the president of the united states said it was a extreme left lunatic before this. | |
| ▲ | vkou 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I’m pretty stunned that there was actually momentum enough to take him off the air. Have you not been paying attention to where rhetoric in this country has gone in the past 8 months? The first amendment is dead, the great leader is publically calling for his critics to lose their broadcast licenses, and the new SOP is for the government to squeeze the shit out of anyone who doesn't toe the line. (Which is an ever-shrinking group of people.) Be it with SLAPP suits, or by holding merger approvals, or by just threatening witch-hunts. This is what 48% of the electorate wanted, and, well, it's what they've delivered. --- Meanwhile, in Fox land, Brian Kilmeade was publically calling for mass-murder of the mentally ill the other day. For some strange reason, neither Trump nor the FCC, nor all the people outraged about political violence are making a peep about that. | | | |
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| ▲ | RickJWagner 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Kimmels show was expensive, Kimmel has baggage ( a history of racist comedy, including blackface ). This was a convenient opportunity to chop dead wood. | | |
| ▲ | willmarch 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | After pressure from the federal government which is a clear violation of the Constitution of the United States. |
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| ▲ | bitlax 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, definitely offensive. Intended to offend. | | | |
| ▲ | kashunstva 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I’m pretty stunned that there was actually momentum enough to take him off the air. Very little was needed. The U.S. president had already ominously threatened Kimmel and other late night hosts the day after Colbert was canceled, weeks before the shooting. I thought Kimmel was hilarious; but as they say, there’s no accounting for taste. The most ridiculous thing about this is that the world doesn’t cleave neatly into “radical left lunatics” and the righteous real Americans. I still can’t tell what the murderer was. Whatever that was, he acted on his own impulses - ones that are not broadly celebrated, irrespective of claims to the contrary. | | |
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| ▲ | tanduv 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ummm First amendment? Its not the first time misinformation has been broadcasted on air, why does the FCC need to get involved in this one. Would they have gotten involved if the implication was that he was a liberal? | | |
| ▲ | pitaj 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They asked what was controversial about what he said, not whether the FCC's actions were constitutional. | |
| ▲ | zoom6628 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't see the FCC cancelling news shows on which Trump lies. Double standards driven by politics and why the govt orgs need career staff and not political players. Rule of Law anyone? |
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| ▲ | aisengard 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As opposed to the implication that Robinson is somehow a leftwing activist, confidently claimed by every GOP politician from coast to coast? Also, even if it were, as you say, "misinformation", that is now somehow taboo on television? A sacred line none must dare cross? | |
| ▲ | gruez 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | kashunstva 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Now fact-check Fox News. Let’s just say that the alleged shooter’s political philosophies are likely complex and are yet to be fully understood. | | |
| ▲ | gruez 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Now fact-check Fox News. Did you miss the second part of my comment? Even if Kimmel was in the wrong he shouldn't be taken off the air. I'm just pointing out why Trump might be upset. It's a reason, not necessarily a good reason. >Let’s just say that the alleged shooter’s political philosophies are likely complex and are yet to be fully understood By most accounts it's safe to say he's left leaning. You don't have to be a card carrying DSA member or have your ideology fully align with the Democrats platform to earn that label. | | |
| ▲ | robertjpayne 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | You could also just say he was a unaffiliated lunatic who was sick of Kirk's rhetoric and hate speech and took it into his own hands. |
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| ▲ | siliconc0w 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The subject of the sentence was "the MAGA gang" - and it's true that they (and the president himself) were the ones desperately declaring right after the assassination before we had any information that shooter was a radical leftist. So for me it's a fair statement and really only disinformation if you purposely distort the sentence. The second part of what he said is also a true statement, that they're using this tragic event to score political points and go after their political opponents. | | |
| ▲ | slowmovintarget 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, the kid did turn out to have ties to a radical leftist organization. He spent an awful lot of time on Antifa discord servers and, according to his acquaintances and friends, had frequent arguments with his conservative parents over politics. You think they were arguing about who voted Republican harder? | | |
| ▲ | crtasm 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | The president and co making such claims based on little or no evidence doesn't become OK just because some is turned up later. | | |
| ▲ | slowmovintarget 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Early, and correct, claims were made based on the inscriptions found on the bullets and shell casings, IIRC. | | |
| ▲ | crtasm 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | People certainly jumped to conslusions about them and extrapolated from there. |
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| ▲ | gruez 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're ignoring the part of the quote where he implied the killer was MAGA or MAGA affiliated. For reference the full quote is: >The MAGA Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it Kimmel didn't explicitly make the accusation that the killer was MAGA, but the use of the wording "desperately trying to imply ... as anything other than one of them" definitely gives that impression. I mean, why else would they be "desperately" trying to? If an attempt was made on Bernie or AOC I wouldn't characterize leftists prematurely blaming it on the right as "desperately". It's just the most logical inference. The "killer was right wing" narrative was also being pushed in some left leaning circles, so it's not exactly outlandish either. | | |
| ▲ | siliconc0w 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | I disagree - my read is that he is saying the MAGA gang was trying to exploit the tragedy and desperately point fingers, which I think is accurate. |
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| ▲ | rdtsc 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| He characterized the shooters as some MAGA whatever and he was presenting is a sure thing, which it still wasn't clear and it looked pretty iffy and not in line with any common sense. FCC has and had for many years restrictions about what can be broadcast. See https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting#JOUR... > The broadcast by a station of false information concerning a crime or catastrophe violates the FCC's rules if: > The station licensee knew that the information was false; So we have a 1) a crime that was committed 2) misinformation The show runners should have fought it and say that they didn't know it was false. But then now the are fighting this uphill battle having to say "hey, Jimmy's show is totally a parody, not news everyone knows that, a staffer fed Jimmy some social media quotes, whatever". At that point it's kind of a bad look anyway, so the owners decided to just shut it down. |