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dgb23 a day ago

There are so many red flags with this administration that I lost count. Policing speech, suppressing information, cutting research funding, cutting social programs, increasing spending and intensity for deportations, deporting people for political affiliation, an unnecessarily disruptive economic policy and many reports of general incompetence, lying and corruption.

It's all so bleak. Where is the payoff?

lotsofpulp a day ago | parent | next [-]

The new tax bill, which benefits asset owners (wealthy), older people, and the beneficiaries of the wealthy.

When you have a population age histogram that is flattening and eventually an upside down triangle, you need some way of extracting labor from the young and giving it to the old (the chosen ones who can afford it) to maintain the socioeconomic hierarchy.

The young without inheritances won’t ever have it as good, so you’ll need to distract them and otherwise fool them into believing it is their duty to transfer their earned income via earned income taxes to the elderly.

Loughla a day ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think it really has a whole lot to do with socioeconomic hierarchy; I think that's just a happy accident.

Old people vote. Old people vote in midterms and odd timed elections. Therefore, old people decide the candidates. Any politician would be smart to court them as a voting bloc.

As for the benefits for the wealthy; that's just the same old bullshit in a new protectionist wrapper. Get my friends and family as much benefit as I can while I have the ability sort of thing.

lotsofpulp a day ago | parent | next [-]

Old people voting in their own interests at the expense of young people is them trying to maintain their higher position in the socioeconomic hierarchy. There is a secondary component related to skin tone and ancestry as well.

Dumblydorr a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice theory, however you’re believing people vote for their best interests, and the above comment believes they’re deluded by misinformation.

I think both are occurring. Young white men went GOP, why is that? Anti vaxx leftists went with Kennedy, why is that? Why do anti-immigration and pro-economics claim the top two republican policy slots, when they’re firmly opposed in their effects on the economy? This is the contradictory trend of delusion and cult of personality.

If the BBB just passed is an indication, I think overall we are more on the deluded side, most of these deluded non-rich white folks are more anti-immigrant than pro-economics.

Of course I do not believe GOP economic policies are better than the alternative, I’m not the one who voted for that policy regime however!

pixelatedindex a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Why do anti-immigration and pro-economics claim the top two republican policy slots

Pro-economics? This admin can’t tell supply from demand. Anti-immigration, definitely.

pstuart 20 hours ago | parent [-]

> Anti-immigration, definitely.

Hold on -- the regime recently welcomed refugees from Africa! If only we could understand why that group, versus the ones they're actively deporting. If only there was some pattern, a clue or hint as to what matters to them...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/12/trump-administratio...

ethbr1 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

>> Why

Because Biden was much better at doing than talking about what was done, and in an absence of words any words dominate.

The Democratic party needs to stop looking at election results as mistakes by underinformed voters, and start looking at them as feedback on engagement.

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epgui a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Right, because that’s a “smart” way to tackle the demographic collapse/crisis while totally not making the problem worse.

triceratops a day ago | parent | next [-]

Why do we need to "tackle" the demographic collapse? The CEO of Ford just said he expects 50% of white-collar jobs to be eliminated soon. Tax the AI and you'll have plenty of money for retirees. There's nothing wrong with naturally, and gradually, going back to the population levels of 1980 or whatever.

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lotsofpulp a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I don’t see a way to avoid population decline, assuming women have freedom and access to 100% effective birth control.

The whole process of pregnancy/birth//breastfeeding/infant rearing sucks, so that most women will opt for 1 or 2, max.

Then you have to account for all the men and women who opt to stay single (or queer or whatever). The number of women that need to have more than 2 kids to offset those with 0 and 1 will never happen.

The only possible mechanism to align incentives is to remove all old age benefits and wealth transfers, so that one likely has to depend on their children. But even then, I doubt it would work.

epgui a day ago | parent [-]

Immigration.

pstuart 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, that's part of it but helping to ease the economic burden of child rearing would definitely help.

The documentary Idiocracy has some interesting insights into the issue -- it's worth the watch.

epgui 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Of course. My response was overly simplistic, simply because the parent comment seemed to suggest that there existed no solution.

lotsofpulp 3 hours ago | parent [-]

What do you mean? I see no success so far across the world, and simply paying people to have kids is the wrong incentive (since badly raised children are worse than no children).

pstuart 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

> paying people to have kids is the wrong incentive

I absolutely agree. Childcare is horribly expensive and just easing the burden of that would make parenting far more palatable to those who would otherwise be good parents.

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tastyface a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not to be a dick, but these aren't "red flags" anymore: the actual thing is here, plainly visible.

pjc50 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The question is "for whom is the payoff?" and they've made that very clear.

dyauspitr 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The payoff is exclusively a whiter America and women back in the kitchen. It’s not complicated and they don’t care about anything else.

aisenik a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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southernplaces7 a day ago | parent [-]

>The payoff is very obviously genocide and the reestablishment of chattel slavery

The Trump administration is deplorable, corrupt, grotesque and ridiculous in so many ways, not to mention dangerous, but seriously, get off it with these kinds of declarations. Such hyperbolic nonsense just shuts down genuine possible inroads into protesting against this government's uglier things and paints those who oppose it as hysterical lunatics.

Genocide has a real definition, and so too does chattel slavery. They're literal, specifically barbaric things whose definition only gets watered down by every random idiotic accusation of either happening because someone can't get a grip on their emotional outrages.

I see zero sign of Trump's government committing or even planning for genocide at the present time, and likewise for chattel slavery.

The deportations to third-party country are deportations, not mass slave sales.

nativeit 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They are "renditions" in the most charitable reading. Deportations involve due process.

8note 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the genocide no, but the chattel slavery is a clear and obvious goal.

or rather, its pretty well already here? thats the US government choosing to not raid farms if the farm owner will be the owner of the immigrants they hire.

the shipping people off to be tortured in south america might not be a sale of the person, but its awfully close, and i think youre overly focusing on the experience of the slave driver and not the enslaved person

vdupras 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think downvoting comments like the parent exacerbate political polarization. Definitions of words such as "genocide" and "slavery" indeed is problematic and arguing like the parent doesn't imply being a Trump apologist.

Remember when Biden called the war in Ukraine a genocide? Didn't you think it watered down the word? If that's a genocide, does it mean we need a new word for holocaust-style genocides? Do we need to start saying things like "oh, yeah, this is a genocide alright, but not quite as much as the real ones in Rwanda and Germany". Is this really what we want to end up having to say?

That being said, prison labor combined with strong ethnic bias in the police force is very, very close to genuine slavery. What was this gross thing with the corrupt judge again. Kids For Cash? or something like this? Slavery.

nativeit 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's worth noting that their policies with regard to global health initiatives are currently killing 88-people every hour, on average. Mostly children.

https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=titl...'

southernplaces7 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Wow, talk about a completely loaded and dishonest definition of cause and effect. I personally think that the U.S should fund these programs for health overseas, but saying that it no longer funding some of them is killing 88 people per hour is completely off base. The diseases these programs addressed are what kills 88 people per hour, not some U.S policy. Since the U.S doesn't have a legal obligation to fund such programs, you claiming them as responsible is like saying that because you don't donate X money per month to some anti-malaria charity (for example), you're killing some group of children that would have had their malaria treated in those months by your specific donation.

southernplaces7 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Why not address the very valid argument instead of downvoting like some little child?

CamperBob2 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Remember when Biden called the war in Ukraine a genocide? Didn't you think it watered down the word?

No, it did not "water down the word." It is the stated position of Vladimir Putin that the Ukrainian people are indistinguishable from Russians, with no identity of their own. To that end, his forces have been kidnapping Ukrainian children and "repatriating" them to Russia since the invasion began.

Some homework for you:

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine...

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/putin-still-steali...

aisenik a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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southernplaces7 a day ago | parent [-]

Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbole does nobody any good.

nativeit 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=titl...

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const_cast a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree that "genocide" might be a bit hyperbolic, but I think it's important to note that pretty much all genocides historically were done covertly, and under the guise of legitimate policy. If there were a genocide going on right now, it's entirely possible most people would not know and it could even be hidden in plain sight.

xerox13ster a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life.

Depending on how you define the Ten Stages of Genocide, we for sure have crossed the 3rd stage of genocide with all the state level anti trans bills and Trumps executive orders, and they’ve also engaged in stages 4 and 6. They’re not pressing on the brake, there’s a lead block on the gas pedal and they have repeatedly professed to wanting to erase us from public life. Trump released a campaign video about it in Feb/March of 2023.

https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages

southernplaces7 a day ago | parent [-]

>The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life.

Really? Care to name an example of their being persecuted legally by the administration in the way you claim? For example, there were multiple huge gay pride parades in the U.S just recently, which are visibly and vocally attended by trans people too, and I didn't see federal agents or police of any kind going at them at any point.

spit2wind a day ago | parent | next [-]

Regarding "persecuted legally", this administration is actively trying to dismantle the rule of law and flouts it.

I appreciate you looking for examples. This podcast episode will give you some, as well as a lens through which you may spot others.

https://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-324-whats-goo...

xerox13ster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I literally named one: Trump's anti-trans sports executive order.

Care to read more than a sentence at a time?

aaaja 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

That executive order is for the benefit of female athletes who have been disadvantaged and adversely affected by male-inclusion policy. The order is not "anti-trans". Its purpose is to restore fairness and improve safety in women's sports.

ethbr1 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Arbitrarily overriding trans people's declared gender on passport applications?

https://www.genderjusticeleague.org/trans-non-binary-passpor...

aisenik a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is essential to understand the concepts involved:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

And then you can take your pick of media outlets. The Office Of Remigration is happening, they aren't hiding it. For example:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/politics/rubio-lays-out-detai...

This is just one clear-cut example of the administration prosecuting genocide. There are others, there's plenty of boogeymen.

Assuming you disagree that this is proof of genocide-in-progress, please explain to me how an official policy of ethnic cleansing is not prosecuting genocide. It will be illustrative.

In parting, a digestif, courtesy of the prominent far-right ideologue who's made public claims of a lurid sexual relationship with Trump:

https://xcancel.com/LauraLoomer/status/1939831588902109629#m

navane a day ago | parent | next [-]

On these wiki definitions:

Ethnic cleansing: "with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilation or mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group"

"Mass killings" is a big detail which is hard to overlook. If we can't agree where ethnic cleansing includes mass killing it's hard too agree if ethnic cleansing is taking place.

Personally, ethnic cleansing to me sounds like Rwanda or Yugoslavia, which is not happening in the US yet.

BlueTemplar 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm guessing that they want to keep 'genocide' for the worst cases ? While others want a more general term including it ?

I think some also tried to push for the term 'ethnocide' for when mass killings were not involved ?

aisenik 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a wikipedia definition, and should be weighted as such. There exists a continuous spectrum of arguments about the definition of genocide, with Holocaust-denial existing at one extreme and a hard line against things like forced displacement, systemic/legal erasure, or forced deprivation of a population, i.e. systematic actions that materially contribute to the elimination of a group, at the other. Somewhere in between the two are all the arguments in support of mass atrocities throughout history.

I'm comfortable once we can agree that it's merely a question of degree and that we're indeed very solidly on the genocide spectrum.

I would like to believe Americans are capable of identifying genocide before we've gone full-Rwanda. I would like to hold my fellow Americans in higher esteem than that. I would like a pony.

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BlueTemplar a day ago | parent [-]

> Currently, the Trump admin is actually deporting fewer illegal immigrants per month from the U.S than either the Biden or Obama admins did previously.

Interesting, got any source for this claim ?

Whether current claims are overblown or not, I assume that it's what Trump 2 might do next that is a cause of concern for a lot of people. Between his mercurial behaviour, disregard for the rule of law, and some of the previously stated goals...

The situation is quite different of course, but one of the planned first "Jewish Solutions" by the Nazi regime was instead deporting them to... Madagascar. (A really weird alternative to consider to the current Israelo-Palestinian conflict, huh. Someone should perhaps write an alternative Man in a High Castle story about this...)

Things can turn very bad quite quickly when previous norms of behaviour go out of the window...

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