| ▲ | southernplaces7 a day ago |
| >The payoff is very obviously genocide and the reestablishment of chattel slavery The Trump administration is deplorable, corrupt, grotesque and ridiculous in so many ways, not to mention dangerous, but seriously, get off it with these kinds of declarations. Such hyperbolic nonsense just shuts down genuine possible inroads into protesting against this government's uglier things and paints those who oppose it as hysterical lunatics. Genocide has a real definition, and so too does chattel slavery. They're literal, specifically barbaric things whose definition only gets watered down by every random idiotic accusation of either happening because someone can't get a grip on their emotional outrages. I see zero sign of Trump's government committing or even planning for genocide at the present time, and likewise for chattel slavery. The deportations to third-party country are deportations, not mass slave sales. |
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| ▲ | nativeit 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| They are "renditions" in the most charitable reading. Deportations involve due process. |
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| ▲ | 8note 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| the genocide no, but the chattel slavery is a clear and obvious goal. or rather, its pretty well already here? thats the US government choosing to not raid farms if the farm owner will be the owner of the immigrants they hire. the shipping people off to be tortured in south america might not be a sale of the person, but its awfully close, and i think youre overly focusing on the experience of the slave driver and not the enslaved person |
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| ▲ | vdupras 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think downvoting comments like the parent exacerbate political polarization. Definitions of words such as "genocide" and "slavery" indeed is problematic and arguing like the parent doesn't imply being a Trump apologist. Remember when Biden called the war in Ukraine a genocide? Didn't you think it watered down the word? If that's a genocide, does it mean we need a new word for holocaust-style genocides? Do we need to start saying things like "oh, yeah, this is a genocide alright, but not quite as much as the real ones in Rwanda and Germany". Is this really what we want to end up having to say? That being said, prison labor combined with strong ethnic bias in the police force is very, very close to genuine slavery. What was this gross thing with the corrupt judge again. Kids For Cash? or something like this? Slavery. |
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| ▲ | nativeit 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's worth noting that their policies with regard to global health initiatives are currently killing 88-people every hour, on average. Mostly children. https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=titl...' | | |
| ▲ | southernplaces7 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wow, talk about a completely loaded and dishonest definition of cause and effect. I personally think that the U.S should fund these programs for health overseas, but saying that it no longer funding some of them is killing 88 people per hour is completely off base. The diseases these programs addressed are what kills 88 people per hour, not some U.S policy. Since the U.S doesn't have a legal obligation to fund such programs, you claiming them as responsible is like saying that because you don't donate X money per month to some anti-malaria charity (for example), you're killing some group of children that would have had their malaria treated in those months by your specific donation. | | |
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| ▲ | CamperBob2 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Remember when Biden called the war in Ukraine a genocide? Didn't you think it watered down the word? No, it did not "water down the word." It is the stated position of Vladimir Putin that the Ukrainian people are indistinguishable from Russians, with no identity of their own. To that end, his forces have been kidnapping Ukrainian children and "repatriating" them to Russia since the invasion began. Some homework for you: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine... https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/putin-still-steali... |
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| ▲ | aisenik a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | southernplaces7 a day ago | parent [-] | | Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbole does nobody any good. | | |
| ▲ | nativeit 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=titl... | |
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| ▲ | const_cast 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I agree that "genocide" might be a bit hyperbolic, but I think it's important to note that pretty much all genocides historically were done covertly, and under the guise of legitimate policy. If there were a genocide going on right now, it's entirely possible most people would not know and it could even be hidden in plain sight. | |
| ▲ | xerox13ster a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Depending on how you define the Ten Stages of Genocide, we for sure have crossed the 3rd stage of genocide with all the state level anti trans bills and Trumps executive orders, and they’ve also engaged in stages 4 and 6. They’re not pressing on the brake, there’s a lead block on the gas pedal and they have repeatedly professed to wanting to erase us from public life. Trump released a campaign video about it in Feb/March of 2023. https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages | | |
| ▲ | southernplaces7 a day ago | parent [-] | | >The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Really? Care to name an example of their being persecuted legally by the administration in the way you claim? For example, there were multiple huge gay pride parades in the U.S just recently, which are visibly and vocally attended by trans people too, and I didn't see federal agents or police of any kind going at them at any point. | | |
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| ▲ | aisenik a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is essential to understand the concepts involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide And then you can take your pick of media outlets. The Office Of Remigration is happening, they aren't hiding it. For example: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/politics/rubio-lays-out-detai... This is just one clear-cut example of the administration prosecuting genocide. There are others, there's plenty of boogeymen. Assuming you disagree that this is proof of genocide-in-progress, please explain to me how an official policy of ethnic cleansing is not prosecuting genocide. It will be illustrative. In parting, a digestif, courtesy of the prominent far-right ideologue who's made public claims of a lurid sexual relationship with Trump: https://xcancel.com/LauraLoomer/status/1939831588902109629#m | | |
| ▲ | navane 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | On these wiki definitions: Ethnic cleansing: "with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilation or mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group" "Mass killings" is a big detail which is hard to overlook. If we can't agree where ethnic cleansing includes mass killing it's hard too agree if ethnic cleansing is taking place. Personally, ethnic cleansing to me sounds like Rwanda or Yugoslavia, which is not happening in the US yet. | | |
| ▲ | BlueTemplar 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm guessing that they want to keep 'genocide' for the worst cases ?
While others want a more general term including it ? I think some also tried to push for the term 'ethnocide' for when mass killings were not involved ? | |
| ▲ | aisenik 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's a wikipedia definition, and should be weighted as such. There exists a continuous spectrum of arguments about the definition of genocide, with Holocaust-denial existing at one extreme and a hard line against things like forced displacement, systemic/legal erasure, or forced deprivation of a population, i.e. systematic actions that materially contribute to the elimination of a group, at the other. Somewhere in between the two are all the arguments in support of mass atrocities throughout history. I'm comfortable once we can agree that it's merely a question of degree and that we're indeed very solidly on the genocide spectrum. I would like to believe Americans are capable of identifying genocide before we've gone full-Rwanda. I would like to hold my fellow Americans in higher esteem than that. I would like a pony. |
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| ▲ | BlueTemplar 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Currently, the Trump admin is actually deporting fewer illegal immigrants per month from the U.S than either the Biden or Obama admins did previously. Interesting, got any source for this claim ? Whether current claims are overblown or not, I assume that it's what Trump 2 might do next that is a cause of concern for a lot of people. Between his mercurial behaviour, disregard for the rule of law, and some of the previously stated goals... The situation is quite different of course, but one of the planned first "Jewish Solutions" by the Nazi regime was instead deporting them to... Madagascar.
(A really weird alternative to consider to the current Israelo-Palestinian conflict, huh. Someone should perhaps write an alternative Man in a High Castle story about this...) Things can turn very bad quite quickly when previous norms of behaviour go out of the window... |
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