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aisenik a day ago

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southernplaces7 a day ago | parent [-]

>The payoff is very obviously genocide and the reestablishment of chattel slavery

The Trump administration is deplorable, corrupt, grotesque and ridiculous in so many ways, not to mention dangerous, but seriously, get off it with these kinds of declarations. Such hyperbolic nonsense just shuts down genuine possible inroads into protesting against this government's uglier things and paints those who oppose it as hysterical lunatics.

Genocide has a real definition, and so too does chattel slavery. They're literal, specifically barbaric things whose definition only gets watered down by every random idiotic accusation of either happening because someone can't get a grip on their emotional outrages.

I see zero sign of Trump's government committing or even planning for genocide at the present time, and likewise for chattel slavery.

The deportations to third-party country are deportations, not mass slave sales.

nativeit 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They are "renditions" in the most charitable reading. Deportations involve due process.

8note 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the genocide no, but the chattel slavery is a clear and obvious goal.

or rather, its pretty well already here? thats the US government choosing to not raid farms if the farm owner will be the owner of the immigrants they hire.

the shipping people off to be tortured in south america might not be a sale of the person, but its awfully close, and i think youre overly focusing on the experience of the slave driver and not the enslaved person

vdupras 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think downvoting comments like the parent exacerbate political polarization. Definitions of words such as "genocide" and "slavery" indeed is problematic and arguing like the parent doesn't imply being a Trump apologist.

Remember when Biden called the war in Ukraine a genocide? Didn't you think it watered down the word? If that's a genocide, does it mean we need a new word for holocaust-style genocides? Do we need to start saying things like "oh, yeah, this is a genocide alright, but not quite as much as the real ones in Rwanda and Germany". Is this really what we want to end up having to say?

That being said, prison labor combined with strong ethnic bias in the police force is very, very close to genuine slavery. What was this gross thing with the corrupt judge again. Kids For Cash? or something like this? Slavery.

aisenik a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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