| ▲ | lvl256 15 hours ago |
| For all his faults, I do feel for Jensen. He built this thing from an absolute scratch. He had a lot of luck on the way, from crypto to CUDA. And who can forget his spat with Jobs all those years ago. |
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| ▲ | ChrisGreenHeur 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > "And who can forget his spat with Jobs all those years ago." Apparently I am able to, what was that? |
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| ▲ | ndiddy 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Apple used nVidia GPUs in most of its computers. Around 2008-2009, nVidia produced a line of faulty GPUs that were used in the Macbook Pro. This led to widespread hardware failures, and was known as "Bumpgate" because the problem was caused by faulty solder bumps inside the GPU chip. nVidia refused to fully reimburse Apple for repairs because it wasn't contractually obligated to do so. In response, Apple switched away entirely from nVidia GPUs. | | |
| ▲ | gryn 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think it was well into 2013 because both the 2011 and 2013 MBPs I had suffered from it. but I thought that was an apple issue (ie not soldering the dicrete gpu well enough to save money on it) after the 2 faulty products in a row, I haven't bought an apple product since. | | |
| ▲ | OisinMoran 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You are missing out, the M series laptops are insanely good. Now wondering how the field of ML would have developed if Apple had had Nvidia chips all the way... | | |
| ▲ | Rodmine 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is not 2020 and nobody is missing out not having to deal with macOS in 2026. This is truly the year of the Linux pcs and you’re missing out running anything else. |
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| ▲ | arjie 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No, it was Nvidia because of the way the BGA solder was done. The problem was across manufacturers. | |
| ▲ | slantyyz 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The infamous early 2011 MBPs had AMD GPUs that basically crapped out the entire logic board. That was what got me to switch back to Windows. |
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| ▲ | vrmiguel 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And that's kidna funny because now Apple Sillicon has pretty great graphics on their own. Maybe that's the lesson he learned and why he _supposedly_ was making sure his GPUs were still getting to China. Because he knows that the alternative would lead to good Nvidia Chinese competitor later on |
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| ▲ | jansan 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't remember either, but I do remember Linus Torwalds not being entirely satisfied with NVIDIA. That is actually something very hard to forget. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ | | |
| ▲ | gpugreg 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Every time I have to reinstall CUDA, I fondly remember this video. |
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| ▲ | ACCount39 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nvidia eventually had a spat with just about any corporation it has ever worked with. Their only partnership that stood the test of time is probably Nintendo. |
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| ▲ | piker 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | TSMC? | | |
| ▲ | fernandotakai 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | from what i remember, morris chang is a close friend to hueng. i wonder what will happen to nvidia's relationship with TMSC now. | | |
| ▲ | kccqzy 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Morris is almost 100 years old. His role at TSMC was instrumental, but now is more of an ornamental figurehead. |
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| ▲ | DaSHacka 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Their only partnership that stood the test of time is probably Nintendo. But even then, the original Switch 1 homebrew relied on an oversight in NVIDIA's Tegra chip that blew open the whole platform due to the ability to execute unsigned code. The Switch 1 was actually pretty locked down. Nintendo worked hard on securing it properly, only for it to all be for naught due to their SoC vendor making a massive blunder. I wish I could have seen what was said in the meetings between the two companies when the first Switch exploit was released, considering it was fully on NVIDIA. | | |
| ▲ | burnte 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah but that was only 1st gen and Nintendo can be just as much to blame for exposing it so easily. They fixed the second rev. |
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| ▲ | _whiteCaps_ 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Megaspeed? :-P |
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| ▲ | bluepeter 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| He worked at Dennys in Portland for a while, so... He can always lean on that experience if needed. |
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| ▲ | kphorn 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is undoubtedly the most painful professional moment in his career which has been almost entirely Nvidia. |
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| ▲ | driverdan 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I do feel for Jensen Why? He caused this. He chose to have affairs with a spy and a subordinate. Now he has to deal with the consequences. |
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| ▲ | onidj 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It remains possible to feel sympathy for people who have done wrong. He's one of the richest men on the planet, he's acted with hubris and ignominy, he's betrayed his loved ones, and he's also probably feeling pretty terrible right now. | | |
| ▲ | LetsGetTechnicl 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why would I have sympathy for him? Sounds like he got what he deserved | | |
| ▲ | alt227 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Because its the human thing to do. | | |
| ▲ | LetsGetTechnicl 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | The human thing to also do is not pushing AI everywhere for the benefit of themselves and their stakeholders, to the detriment of literally the rest of humanity |
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| ▲ | tylerjharden 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you never been in a situation where you made mistakes, felt guilty, and appreciated the empathy and sympathy from fellow humans in light of all the shame and vitriol you received counter-wise? | | |
| ▲ | LetsGetTechnicl 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah but I'm not also a multi-billionaire who ran a company that is going to crash our economy | | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | And do you only judge whether people deserve your humanity by how rich or poor they are? |
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| ▲ | spike021 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | probably feeling pretty terrible that he finally got caught? based on the reporting about the second affair, it's possible his security has had to shut down similar witnesses in the past. | |
| ▲ | doublerabbit 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It remains possible to feel sympathy for people who have done wrong. It does remain possible; he's a parasite and someone who's just had an affair. He wouldn't value the sympathy given, Neither himself or Nvidia would return the gesture. They give null shit about you. > He's one of the richest men on the planet, he's acted with hubris and ignominy, he's betrayed his loved ones, and he's also probably feeling pretty terrible right now. He chose to have the affair and as having my father do the same to my mother; you get no sympathy for cheating. Let them feel pretty terrible, maybe they will find what it's like to be human for a change. Nothing more than a parasite in the corporate playground. His actions caught up with him; woe is me. What will I ever do with so much money. | | |
| ▲ | onidj 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sympathy isn't absolution. Do you not have mistakes you live with? I hope he's okay in the same way I hope everyone is okay. | | |
| ▲ | doublerabbit 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, I don't. I've been working on my mistakes from the bottom of the barrel for the past twelve years of my life. Changing everything to get out from rock bottom. Some billionaire cheats on their wife and I am suppose to mourn for them? You want me to be empathetic for a sociopath? Blow me. | | |
| ▲ | onidj 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Congrats on the work. I wasn't trying to accuse. I think you have misunderstood me. I'm not telling you to feel anything and I'm not going to sleep tonight feeling sad for Jensen Huang either. |
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| ▲ | kridsdale1 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s possible to have empathy for sinners. We’re all human. | | |
| ▲ | bdelmas 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree. I think the biggest issue is to not have empathy for sinners and you think you are a saint… | | |
| ▲ | prewett 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I think the biggest issue is to not have empathy for sinners and you think you are a saint… At least that's only hypocrisy (assuming you are not, in fact, actually a saint--you might have developed habits and values that mean you are not likely to sin in that way.) At some level it's not even a problem: you want to aspire to be a better person than you are right now, which means you will hold values that you do not currently measure up to. But thinking you are a saint because you have empathy is perniciously self-righteous. You can see something similar to this in the progressive movement right now, for instance. |
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| ▲ | bar8uyr 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm not religious. I do agree though. But you shouldn't have empathy because you like him or anything. You should have empathy when he proves he's changed. You can make mistakes, we all do. You don't deserve empathy. He sells GPUs, he's not a rockstar. | |
| ▲ | quentindanjou 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's like if, after a shooting, you were worried about the shooter having to go to jail instead of wondering about the people shot. | | | |
| ▲ | asadotzler 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | spending your empathy on billionaires rather than people being screwed over by billionaires is a choice. | | |
| ▲ | its_ethan an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Something you might be excited to learn is that empathy is not a finite resource! You can spend as much of it as you want and never actually run out - try it! | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Choosing who deserves empathy based on their bank account is also a choice. | | |
| ▲ | asadotzler 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Genghis Khan probably had bunions and I could have some empathy for the pain endured, but I don't because spending a second feeling anything for him is a second I'm not invested in empathizing with, and better yet, helping people that actually need it. DO you feel for how depressed that WW2 dictator was before he took his own life? How sad and lonely the big "H" was? That stirs empathy in you? Not me. I make choices about who I spend my mental and emotional efforts on. |
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| ▲ | laurels-marts 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think a lot of people might also disagree with the consequences. Something along the lines of - if it’s all consensual then why does it matter. Disclosing trade secrets (wittingly or otherwise) or skirting export ban is a separate matter that does have real legal consequences if proven true. | |
| ▲ | lvl256 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is his identity. Sure, he’s made some poor choices. Imagine Jobs resigning at the height of iPhone phenomenon or Gates at the very peak of Windows. Not sure if Jensen can bounce back from this psychologically. He’ll be broken for awhile. | |
| ▲ | claaams 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Let's not forget him most likely knowingly breaking US export laws. Some might even call that treason. | | | |
| ▲ | rsoto2 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "with a spy" where is the proof that she is a spy? It seems to be perfectly ok for CEOs to profess blind allegiance to a terrorist state, like Larry Ellison does, seems like a double standard. | |
| ▲ | subarctic 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You mean he knew she was a spy? | |
| ▲ | sparklingmango 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Exactly. I don't feel bad for a billionaire who operates in an extremely unethical fashion. | |
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| ▲ | troyvit 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > For all his faults, I do feel for Jensen. Me too. If he needs somebody to take his place he can reach me at my HN profile page. I'll take the bullet and try to struggle through with just billions of dollars. |
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| ▲ | seiru 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I feel for his wife, personally |
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| ▲ | BeFlatXIII 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wonder if he'll enjoy his retirement or end up like Marlo Stanfield at the end of The Wire. |
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| ▲ | bar8uyr 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not to hate but he didn't build any GPU tech really.. He just came up with the name "GPU" (like CPU but with a G"). |
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| ▲ | KingMob 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > He built this thing from an absolute scratch. Pretty sure all those nVidia employees over the years had a bigger hand in building it. |
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| ▲ | jvwww 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I mean they obviously didn't because they never would have been working together without the founders. | |
| ▲ | stonedivot 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Right. I'm sure if you got all of those employees in a room together with no vision and no Jensen, Nvidia as we know it today just pops out, right? | | |
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| ▲ | nozzlegear 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I, too, feel for the billionaire adulterer. |
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| ▲ | lolcatzlulz 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | jmathai 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Success in some areas of your life does not insulate you from tragedy. The guy still puts his jeans on one leg at a time. Probably very expensive jeans he throws away after one use...but still. The human condition cannot be escaped. This includes his family and the family of those involved in the affair. Many lives were turned upside down. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The guy has enough money to buy an island in French Polynesia and never leave it for the rest of his life. You are correct he is still human, but he can do pretty well at making a new life for himself where he doesnt have to ever think the word Nvidia again. In 10 years he will have a new family and new friends and this will be a distant memory for him. | | |
| ▲ | falsemyrmidon 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, it's just potentially a little light treason, what could go wrong | | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Treason has a legal definition, you don’t just get to call behavior you don’t like treason. | |
| ▲ | alt227 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, pretty small potatoes compared to the current US president. | | |
| ▲ | hn_submit 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | But the President is an untouchable. Huang isn't. Trump will get away with everything he's done. Rubio, Vance, Kennedy and Hegseth won't. | | |
| ▲ | hackmack10 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Trump will pardon every one of those people on the way out. | | |
| ▲ | hn_submit 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | They'll get indicted after he's left office. He can't pardon retroactively. | | |
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| ▲ | deltoidmaximus 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Trump will get away with everything he's done. Rubio, Vance, Kennedy and Hegseth won't. Well, there's a first time for everything I guess. Trump can just pardon them in return for a bribe after all. |
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| ▲ | pphysch 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The current chair of the House Foreign Affairs committee proudly wears a foreign military's uniform on Capitol Hill, so probably nothing. |
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| ▲ | iterance 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It isn't the tragic human condition to have affairs. It's a choice he made with his free will. There is no need for apologia; he could simply have not done it. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Humans being fallible and not being able to resist our urges is indeed part of the human condition. | | |
| ▲ | iterance 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not my clearest comment. What I mean to say is: "it's the human condition" is being used as a defense/absolution of his affairs, as though it's somehow a matter of course that he's going to commit infidelity. It isn't inevitable, because he could have simply chosen to do otherwise. It may be the human condition to experience temptation, but in the end it's irrelevant. He made a choice. That's what matters. |
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| ▲ | coldpie 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | layer8 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s a strange argument. His wife owns half of these dollars, so no one should feel for her as well? (I personally don’t care about Jensen. I just don’t think that “people don’t deserve sympathy because they are billionaires” makes any sense.) | | |
| ▲ | coldpie 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | Being a billionaire is a choice to continue to hoard resources that could be put to useful purposes instead. Yeah, I don't have much sympathy for people who choose to squander our society's resources like that. | | |
| ▲ | ithkuil 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Does a billionaire who became billionair by marrying a person who became a billionaire also bears the responsibility of hoarding because they choose to marry that person and not divorce early? | | |
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| ▲ | zzrrt 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, not morally. If she divorces, she should also be subject to that proposed the wealth tax, which she won't mind because according to your frame she didn't choose to hoard. |
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| ▲ | KetoManx64 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | He's not hoarding crap. Man's probably got maybe a couple hundred thousand dollars in free cash, the rest is all loans, stocks, investments and properties. The only people that should be wealth taxed is leeches like you that see how utterly corrupt the state is with how it handles tax dollars and wants to give it more money. | | |
| ▲ | coldpie 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nah. He could sell most of that stock and it could be put to useful purposes while making no difference whatsoever to his life. It could be used to build housing, or pay teachers more, or build libraries, or found new companies, or pay off medical debt, there's thousands of things it could be used for. Instead he's just sitting on it. This is hoarding. |
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| ▲ | lrae 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Wrong tree? > Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang Backs California Billionaire Tax Despite Potential $8B Bill > "I don't mind paying taxes. The more you make, the more taxes you pay. I'm okay with that," Huang said | | |
| ▲ | lavendermon 14 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Jensen has been one of the few outspoken billionaires for promoting higher taxes on himself. In fact, only he and Buffett come to mind as the members of that category. Then again, below is a 2024 article from the NY Times claiming Jensen was taking advantage of loopholes to save $8 billion on taxes. Actions speak louder than words so perhaps his more recent messaging about being in favor of higher taxes on himself was the result of a PR effort, given his rapidly increasing visibility. However, I imagine that any good accountant would strongly recommend saving $8 billion on taxes like Jensen did before 2024. The article: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/business/nvidia-jensen-hu... | | |
| ▲ | sowbug 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not necessarily inconsistent. You can support improvements to the tax code while also optimizing for the current version. | |
| ▲ | shimman 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Saying you support then actually making it possible, something that every billionaire can easily do with how super PACs work is an actual choice. Talking is the cheapest thing you can do and his actions say more. Rather than helping make a free and safer society for Americans, he chose to ignore export bans and work with an adversarial government. |
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| ▲ | verdverm 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Things Jensen has said are now all suspect. Does he really believe this or is it just his day time positioning, in contrast to his nighttime positioning that cost him his job |
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| ▲ | marcusverus 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Owning part of the company he built isn't hoarding, kiddo. | | |
| ▲ | coldpie 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of people built that company, kiddo. | | |
| ▲ | marcusverus 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | They did the jobs they were given and were well compensated for it. This fact has no bearing on whatsoever on the claim that Jensen is "hoarding" his shares in the company that he created. | | |
| ▲ | coldpie 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | He could give away >95% of his wealth and it would make no difference at all to his life. He would still have the exact same life he has now. That wealth could be put to useful purposes, but isn't, because he is sitting on it. That is hoarding. | | |
| ▲ | jaharios 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You could also fall in a well and would probably make no difference to the world. | |
| ▲ | marcusverus 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You could drive a 20 year old car, live in a small apartment, wear Walmart clothes, and rely on Social Security for retirement while donating everything else to charity, and the difference on your life would be negligible. You'd likely go from a 99.9th percentile lifestyle (globally) to a 95th percentile lifestyle. Why are you hoarding your wealth when people are hungry and dying of preventable diseases around the world? Of course, you'll insist that "it's different" (you can't possibly be expected to take a 5 percentile hit to your lifestyle!) but that's just an excuse to exempt yourself from your own moral code. Why would anyone take progressives' supposedly "moral" beliefs seriously--or even to view them as being sincerely held--when even affluent progressives consider themselves to be immune from their own moral calculus? Is there a single religion on earth that is so blatantly hypocritical as to make demands of others without requiring them of the faithful? | | |
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| ▲ | coldpie 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > You could drive a 20 year old car, live in a small apartment, wear Walmart clothes, and rely on Social Security for retirement while donating everything else to charity, and the difference on your life would be negligible. No, this is obviously false. If you're bringing up buying clothes at Walmart, then I don't think you understand how much money a billion dollars is. A billion dollars in a HYSA giving 3.5% yields 35 million dollars a year, with zero work and zero risk. It takes a married couple ballpark 5 million dollars to basically never need to work again. So a billion dollars earning guaranteed interest gives you enough money to never need to work again, seven times over, every single year. After just one year, you already have more money just in interest than you could ever reasonably spend, and you haven't even tapped in to your principle. A billion dollars is an absolutely insane amount of wealth. Jensen Huang has eighty times that much money. There is no difference between eighty billion dollars and one billion dollars. It's the same amount of money. It's effectively infinite. He can give away 79 of those 80 billions and he would not notice, it would have zero impact on his life. He wouldn't have to drive a Walmart car or live in a small apartment, he can still have every lifestyle choice he could possibly want after giving away 95% of his money. The difference would not even be negligible to him. There would literally be no difference. |
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| ▲ | vouwfietsman 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > well compensated for it If they were, how could he hoard so much of their output? | | |
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