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▲ modeless 4 hours ago

Opus 5.5 came out right at the end of the quarter, September 22. I'm confident that it caused more usage growth since then. I'm sure there are a lot of people rooting for their IPO to fail but they are still clearly in the lead on coding and will continue to do well until someone definitively passes them.

▲mdasen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> they are still clearly in the lead on coding and will continue to do well until someone definitively passes them.

I think the first implying the second might be a bit of a stretch. At some point, companies are going to start looking at their AI spending and start negotiating deals. OpenAI is right behind them and Anthropic is around 8x more expensive (Sol 6.1 vs Opus 5.5 based on Artificial Intelligence's cost per task; cost per token is a somewhat useless metric when different models use vastly different numbers of tokens for the same thing). Chinese models like Deepseek 4.1 Flash are cheap, can be self-hosted, and while certainly behind Claude Opus 5.5, are still good.

Lots of companies buy "inferior" products like Microsoft Teams. Over the next 5 years, it seems likely that many models will get really good to the point that people often won't be able to tell any difference. Even if something isn't "definitively" better, companies might say "our engineers can't tell the difference and we're cutting our costs by 85%."

It's not absurd to think that a company would use its own harness or an open source harness and/or put a proxy in to route requests variably. For two months, they have engineers using different models unbeknownst to them and they measure things like how often the engineers have to correct or redirect the model. At the end of two months, they might find little difference in performance and switch to a much lower cost model.

It's not like it'd be crazy hard to analyze workers frustration as they did their jobs and figure out if one model was actually better. They could log all the conversations and it's not like AI can't easily determine things like "no, that's completely wrong" as a phrase showing that the agent was really off base.

I think a big part of the next 5-10 years is going to be about cost/efficiency.

▲Karrot_Kream 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ultimately the question is whether there's a pareto optimal point for intelligence models. There's 2 potential worlds:

1. Frontier models are so good that the token cost of an average task becomes miniscule, so users are incentivized to use frontier models because their sheer intelligence makes them cheaper to use.

2. There is a pareto optimal point where even if you spend more on tokens overall profits decrease because token costs rise faster than revenue does.

The "no lab has a clear lead" world leads to 2.

▲redwood 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You bring up a very good point. Not only do lots of people buy inferior products, lots of people employ inferior intelligences

▲jswelker 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To be fair, hiring intelligence is not easy.

▲glimshe an hour ago | parent [-]

True, but I also believe that one can generally hire "more intelligence" if one is willing to pay more in salary and benefits, which most companies aren't. Basically, the original argument wr Microsoft Teams.

▲seiee 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲Waterluvian 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m not sure it’s a binary thing that contradicts.

I want AI and these companies to succeed. And I especially want new companies to succeed. But I want them to be valued far more realistically. Because if they have to be worth trillions, then there’s a real motivation to do what it takes to realize that valuation. And that’s how you birth a Zuckerberg.

I’m not rooting for them to fail. I’m rooting for the correction to happen sooner than later.

▲Eji1700 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> But I want them to be valued far more realistically.

They are. That's the problem. The obligations that these companies are, on paper, supposed to meet require these valuations.

If you value Anthropic at $500b that's still a fuckload and vastly less than their obligations and a lot of people are going to say "well wait a minute how am I going to get paid".

The amount of spend going on, and planned, is insane and underpins a lot of this, and is why people are skeptical of the valuations. It has nothing to do with "Wanting" AI to fail and just a reasonable bet based on the math. For them to pay back what they have on their balance sheet entire continents will functionally be a spec in comparison, and that's really really fucking unlikely to happen.

Doubly so when you consider that there's a question of if they can be profitable to projected needed levels without fundamentally breaking some economics parts, and that this looks a lot like the overbuild of the internet during the dotcom bubble, which was also hideously overvalued at the time, for the time frame they were looking at, despite being THE literal world changing tech.

▲npc99 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> They are. That's the problem. The obligations that these companies are, on paper, supposed to meet require these valuations.

How does that make sense lol

"it owes a bunch of people money, so it should be worth more"

i don't...

▲Eji1700 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> "it owes a bunch of people money, so it should be worth more"

"it owes a bunch of people money so the only way for it to not be insolvent is it must be worth X, and if we're talking lower than X this is already a problem"

▲JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> For them to pay back what they have on their balance sheet entire continents will functionally be a spec in comparison

Walk me through this math. I’m seeing $900bn Capex over a decade. That’s $90bn required free cash flow a year, on average. If they can do 25% margins, that requires $360bn annual steady-state revenues. That doesn’t require continent-scale anything.

▲Eji1700 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> If they can do 25% margins,

This is the assumption we disagree on. They're net negative by an order of magnitude on most of their current customers. I don't see them flipping to break even + 25%.

Further you're assuming they can turn that on today, when they're still very clearly not ready. Every year the timeline gets worse.

Take them to 2% margin with 8 years to go and you're looking at needing 4.5t annual.

This is normally where I'd say "but 2% feels extreme..." and hedge in the middle, but like...the current pricing isn't even close to 25% margin, it's not even close to break even.

▲orangecat an hour ago | parent [-]

They're net negative by an order of magnitude on most of their current customers.

From the S-1, in the first 3 quarters of 2026 their revenue was $33.2B and compute costs were $18.8B. Inference is highly profitable, they "just" need more of it.

▲kridsdale1 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Those numbers are stupid large for a company whose only moat is never ever being in second place.

▲oblio 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> That doesn’t require continent-scale anything.

Wha???

There are 13 companies in <<total>>, on the <<entire planet>>, that make more than that: https://companiesmarketcap.com/largest-companies-by-revenue/

Most of those needed decades to reach this point.

Anthropic has a near-clone in OpenAI (and vice versa). There are multiple smaller competitors, several much cheaper (especially the Chinese models).

Anthropic obviously needs continent-scale balance sheets, I would argue "multiple continent-scale balance sheets", since Google & co make their money by selling everywhere except for China.

Anthropic and OpenAI are never entering China on a massive scale. US relations with Europe are deteriorating and LLMs are <<massive> risks in an adversarial relation so it's not inconceivable Europe at some point starts marginalizing US tech companies, at least LLM labs. I imagine India will want to do something similar at some point.

Where exactly is Anthropic going to make all that steady revenue from, if it can't break out of coding and cybersecurity? Even worse, both those markets are super tech savvy so those cheap rivals are even more dangerous. One slip up the next 5+ years and Anthropic is history.

▲seiee 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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▲chunky1994 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a counterpoint I haven't seen opus doing that much better than the latest gpt models? Astra is definitely comparable to fable and sol has been as good as opus for me. So this rings a bit anecdotal and that's probably what people will be seeing affect the growth trajectory too.

▲0x1F8B 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

IMO Opus 5.5 has quietly been a revelation. It basically requires no hand holding from me given a sufficiently articulated prompt. At this point I'm limited by reviews and end-to-end validation of changes.

▲chunky1994 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> It basically requires no hand holding from me

> given a sufficiently articulated prompt

Are these two statements not at odds with each other? You can always say a prompt is not sufficiently articulated if you need to add additional handholding and vice versa, thereby invalidating any meaning of measurement.

▲0x1F8B 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What I mean is just a modest effort to guide the model up front is adequate for the full end to end session -- one-shotting, basically. I used to go through planning mode prior to 5.5, to make sure it understood my intentions but I no longer need to. I just ramble off the desired outcome and some broad architectural guidelines into wisprflow, hit enter, answer any questions it has and then a PR that tends to only get minor feedback is produced. It's basically fire and forget.

▲tharkun__ 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

     then a PR that tends to only get minor feedback is produced
How do you determine that this is because "Opus is so great" vs. "people are no longer reviewers but just approvers"?

As in, many if not most reviewers have always been nothing more than approvers, i.e. people that click the approve button with minimal to zero review, maybe a "pro forma" comment so nobody has them show up in some statistic as "only clicks the approve button".

With the amount of AI generated PRs this will have tended to become more of a problem, not less.

▲plorkyeran 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With earlier models simply describing your desired end result often went poorly, and instead you had to break your prompt down into incremental steps. A single “sufficiently articulated“ prompt would result in the model forgetting about some of the things you told it to do by the time it got there.

▲XenophileJKO 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, because "sufficiently articulated" is relative to the model. Opus 5.5, often is "please handle this ticket someone assigned me, check this link it might be useful..."

▲kasey_junk 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’ve felt that way since the 4.1 releases. Opus 5.5 is a good model, especially after the disaster at the 4.7 mark.

But sol 6.1 is at least in the conversation as being as good and is much cheaper. I farm out bunches of my tasks to Luna and Haiku these days and have a working prototype of a glm 5.3 workflow at work that shows it being competitive.

The price pressure is very real and if you aren’t on a subscription then there is virtually no reason to pay the Anthropic premium

▲adam_arthur 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've found Sol 6.1 a regression over 5.6.

Not due to capability per se, but writing style and polish is much worse.

It will leave really bad comments in the code, commit messages etc without strong explicit steering. Though I've basically moved away from having the model write any documentation at all.

It also tends to talk very circuitously and referencing things implicitly instead of just being direct and clear.

Certainly it's more capable in debugging, but I much prefer Astra over Sol now.

Of course, Astra has its own problems of code golfing everything. But at least it's very concise and direct

▲senderista 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sol 6.1 is definitely not comparable to Opus 5.5 for me.

▲meric_ 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

if you go on short form social media, Opus's ability to do agentic work in things like blender, css animation, etc. have spawned hundreds if not thousands of channels of people pumping out content with it. That and all the video game shenanigans (and now Anthropic is even modifying its system prompt to limit some of these things!)

There's definitely unique things that so far only Opus is capable of doing.

▲10xDev 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anthropic can remove all access to their LLMs and start replicating entire software companies. Anyone relying on open weight models is at risk of a security breach from even slightly better models. It is ironic when people think Anthropic is the one without moat while they give all their data away.

▲27183 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Anthropic can remove all access to their LLMs and start replicating entire software companies.

"I have a girlfriend for real she just goes to a different school"

▲macNchz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Opus 5.5 actually decreased my Anthropic spend, because I stopped using Fable once it came out.

I ping-pong between different agents all day long and don't necessarily agree that Anthropic is clearly in the lead on coding at this point.

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▲efromvt 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah there was a vibe shift towards OpenAI being much more competitive for daily use and then Opus 5.5 hit. Will be curious to look back and see if that shows in data. Of course, could change tomorrow.

▲habosa 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Opus 5.5 is amazing and has also dropped our bill dramatically. Our engineers are spending 1/3 as much as they were before and seem actually happier with the results.

Has anyone else seen this?

▲tybit 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is likely true, but doesn’t really tell us much about future revenue growth. Now they need to compete on price, I think their revenue growth may start to look much more like typical Jevons paradox examples. I.e as their usage grows exponentially their revenue grows linearly rather than exponentially as it was before.

▲amluto 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m wondering whether Opus 5.5 would have caused growth in an absolute sense or just growth relative to competitors.

Anthropic’s market share is pretty high and there is not enough total currently addressed market for growth at the expense of a competitor to make a big long-term difference.

▲stingraycharles 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Well what I do know as someone who has a bird’s eye view into many enterprises is that many of them are starting to realize they’re bleeding money to Anthropic and are telling their teams to be more efficient with tokens.

▲potatoproduct 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been throwing opus 5.5 at problems I got stuck on with sonnet in the past and it has breezed through them all. It really reinforced how far the models have come.

▲hosel 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Wouldn’t previous Opus models be able to solve them too? In my experience Sonnet is often lackluster.

▲surgical_fire an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I reduced my Opus 5.5 usage and increased my Haiku 5.5 usage.

I wonder if more people using Haiku coming from more expensive models may have an impact in those metrics.

▲rvz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I'm sure there are a lot of people rooting for their IPO to fail but they are still clearly in the lead on coding and will continue to do well until someone definitively passes them.

Then why all the rush to IPO then?

The strongest chinese models from DeepSeek, Kimi and z.ai are already good enough to run for hours on most coding tasks cheaply.

▲spiralpolitik 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For capital to win they need to get their money out of Anthropic before the bubble deflates. This means dumping the risk on retail. There is only a finite amount of money available to buy AI stock, and the SpaceX IPO sucked a lot up, so it's a fight between Anthropic and OpenAI who is going to get what's left. The loser is left without a chair to stand on when the music stops.

▲27183 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Robinhood taking from the poor tired masses to give to the rich. Beautiful.

▲ieekie 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲beepbooptheory 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I have zero sense of this myself, am just curious, and not confident anyone really knows, but: I get that its a big deal for software developers when each new model comes out, because its perceived (correctly or not) as the next big boost for their productivity, but what about everyone else who is not a coder? Is there big reactions there to newer models? I don't know a single person who is not a engineer that would be able to tell me if "Astra" or "Opus" are Anthropic things or an OpenAI things respectively, much less when and what the big new version is for any of them. Does this play out for others? Or am I just in my own bubble for some reason?

What does average, non-computer Joe or Jane think when the next big model comes out? "My emails are going to be so much better now, I better stay subscribed"? "I can't wait to see how well it answers my questions"?

▲arlcode 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

One more anecdote: People at our company are very excited for integration of existing industry specific tools and processes.

Some of them do require frontier models but many can do with localish models. Some of these processes (in our industry) are also not really limited by software at all but by the speed heavy machinery can be operated and/or manufactured and/or transported.

I'm certain LLMs are going to continue rapid growth even there but it may be an ideal field for have lesser models work for longer if it saves money in the end.

Of course who knows in the end. I'm certain there is a high chance of this being entirely wrong

▲OtomotO 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I am a software developer and I don't see a huge boost since many months.

Actually I see very varying results in my work.

Sometimes I can let an AI refactor an entire codebase and then (in the same codebase) it generates absolute shitcode.