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▲ sp4cec0wb0y 2 hours ago

The next wave will be "fiber-maxxing", with the increased rate of colon cancer in millenials and gen z. Seriously guys, get your fiber intake.

▲vmg12 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Thankfully I think demand will have to grow a lot for legumes to rise in price much since legumes are basically a byproduct required for growing other more valuable crops.

It's great that beans look kind of gross because otherwise people would learn they taste really good and are healthy at the same time.

▲halflife 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Beans look gross?

▲vmg12 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not dry but they don't exactly look appetizing when cooked and covered in bean juice if you don't already like them.

▲Izikiel43 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the problem with beans is not looking gross, it's that they cause you to contribute a lot of methane to climate warming (you fart a lot).

▲vmg12 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's only if your stomach isn't acclimated to a high fiber diet.

▲chneu an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Won't happen.

The main reason protein is highly sought after is that it's an ego/prestige thing associated with excessive self care.

Our diets are very heavily connected to our social status. Being able to consume that level of protein is all about excessive self care.

Fiber is cheap and viewed as a poor person thing. Nobody is holding up their expensive grass fed fiber to brag about the environmental toll it takes, like folks do with their meat and whatnot.

A lot of the protein fad can be traced back to dairy farmers pushing whey into every product they can.

▲conorcleary 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not the farmers; the producers, distributors, and everything on the way to the consumer. Research labs and marketing agencies construct fads and push it through their magazines and media IP.

▲luke5441 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are there studies showing the increased cancer rate is caused (or at least correlated with) reduced fiber intake? Or is this just a guess of yours?

▲joshdavham 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m pretty puzzled honestly at how many people are fiber deficient.

I once did the calculation for my daily fiber intake and it was well beyond the daily recommended minimum.

What are people eating (or not eating) that leads to a fiber deficiency?

▲vmg12 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

If you don't eat legumes or whole grain bread it's not hard to be fiber deficient.

▲hobo123 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In Germany they already started. There's protein XYZ everywhere, but I've recently seen ads for high fiber drinks.

▲dyauspitr 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s the difference between protein and fiber though. You can essentially spam the amount of protein you take in and the excess just gets expelled. The same is not true of fiber too much fiber has downsides.

▲pull_my_finger 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That doesn't happen magically, and "spamming" protein can definitely damage your kidneys.

▲jjtheblunt 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezoar

presumably is what you allude to?

▲Izikiel43 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> spam the amount of protein you take in and the excess just gets expelled.

Not true? It becomes fat if you are above your caloric intake.

Fiber on the other is just undigestible, so you always expel it, though I agree that too much fiber will cause issues.

▲dfxm12 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Of course. These things are cyclical. Some might remember the f plan diet or similar.

▲sp4cec0wb0y 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I know no one asked but if you're a gym bro and looking for easy fiber intake, get the carb balance tortillas from mission. 17g of fiber per tortilla.

▲ipsento606 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

that "fiber" is chemically modified resistant starch

the FDA allows it to be called fiber, but it acts differently in the body to the soluble and insoluble fiber that most people are familiar with

IMO, it's a mistake to treat fiber as a single, fungible food component, rather than as a family of different substances with different health effects

if you're looking for "easy fiber intake", there is much more and stronger evidence for psyllium-based soluble fiber, widely available in cheap and convenient drinks like metamucil (I prefer formulations without the dye and maltodextrin, but that's getting into the weeds)

▲chneu an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just eat real food.

Stop substituting and finding short cuts. Just eat a balanced meal with vegetables.

▲nojito an hour ago | parent [-]

You’re grossly underestimating how much fiber a person needs to eat.

▲nradov 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

How much fiber does a person need to eat, as measured in weight or volume of common vegetables?

▲Izikiel43 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

Men around 40g per day, it's like 2 pounds of a balanced mix of legumes, beans, vegetables, whole grains and fruits.

▲UncleOxidant an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

And OliPops have 6 to 9g per can.

▲dolorian an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fiber is indigestible and not required for human health. It's also a cause of bloating, constipation and gas... because it's indigestible. Fiber does have the benefit of slowing sugar digestion, but you can and should just eat less sugar. Some forms of fiber can be converted to fatty acids by bacteria in your colon, while also producing other byproducts. You can get those fatty acids by eating more meat without the added stress on your digestive system.

Compare the human digestive system of a human being to a wolf (carnivore), a pig (omnivore) and a gorilla (herbivorous hindgut fermenter). The human gut by proportions sits somewhere between wolf and pig.

Look up the actual studies on fiber rather than pop science articles, and examine them critically. They'll do things like assume that pooping more often and having a greater volume of poop is healthier, with no basis. Things like how easy it is to poop or feelings of being bloated are harder to quantify, so they're typically ignored.

Or you get the extrapolating cancer risk based on some vaguely understood biomarker, which is one step below "in mice" as far as science goes.

▲iosjunkie an hour ago | parent [-]

My LDL numbers beg to differ.

▲crisdux an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think there are two main philosophies at play. Either you give the gut bulk through eating fiber, or you eat foods to maintain a fast transit time. I lean toward the transit time approach by eating plenty of easy to digest simple carbs. Personally I've never felt better.

I think eating hard-to-digest, crappy proteins(like all the protein added to shakes, bars, etc)... paired with fermentable bulk fiber... is actually the recipe for inflammation, irritation and colon cancer.

▲deadbabe an hour ago | parent [-]

No studies show protein has anything to do with colon cancer and in fact it could even have protective effects.

▲Alive-in-2025 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

But we do have endless studies showing not eating enough fiber increases your chance of having colon cancer, and we also know a lot of people today don't have nearly as much fiber as people did in the past.

▲crisdux 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

mainstream science literally links heavy meat consumption to colon cancer all the time.