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| ▲ | bigbuppo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's lawfare against Constitutionally-protected speech. The "for the children" bit is just an appeal to emotion. /Same as it ever was | |
| ▲ | pimeys 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why are people so upset about porn? It's probably still the biggest portion of internet traffic. Kind of like human nature, don't you think? | | |
| ▲ | lokar 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Assuming you are really asking, the two largest objections: - religious/cultural. My beliefs forbid this, it makes people bad/worse in some hard-to-define way, so no one should be allowed to do it. Sometimes with an emphasis that the sellers are luring good people into sin/ruin. - it harms women. Many of the participants are trafficked or coerced in some way (and further abused). The profits from the industry encourage more of this. It “warps” the mind of men who use it, leading them to mistreat and abuse women. I see elements of truth in all these, but IMO they are ultimately not compelling, prohibition is unworkable and unduly infringes on willing participants and consumers. | | |
| ▲ | UltraSane an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The "porn harms women" argument really seems to infantilize women and assumes that women can never want or enjoy sex for the sake of sex. | | |
| ▲ | jonahx 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | This is not the claim. The claim is that, empirically, many (or enough) of the women who end up in porn are underage, trafficked, or psychologically coerced (due to poverty, drug addiction, abuse, etc) such that the choice is not really the free choice of willing participant. I am all for individual freedoms, but I've read enough about this issue, and seen enough documentaries, that I think the claim is very well-founded. Of course, some porn stars are just willing adults doing something they want to do, but there are many who are not. | | |
| ▲ | lokar 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I’ve seen two arguments: Women who do not provide fully informed and voluntarily consent are harmed Porn makes some (or many, or all) men who consume it treat some (or many, or all) women badly | |
| ▲ | UltraSane 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The claim is that, empirically, many (or enough) of the women who end up in porn are underage, trafficked, or psychologically coerced (due to poverty, drug addiction, abuse, etc) such that the choice is not really the free choice of willing participant. The main point of contention becomes what "enough" constitutes. Almost no women in commercial porn is underage as all countries that legally allow its production also require strict proof of age for the people actually having sex. |
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| ▲ | lokar an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Some argue it harms all women who participate in, but others argue it harms some women who participate, which seems undeniable. | | |
| ▲ | fwip 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | True, and this is probably true of all work. Retail work has probably harmed many more women than sex work (by virtue of being much more common). |
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| ▲ | throwinthisaway 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Frankly I believe the whole “warps the mind of men to abuse women” is total nonsense. I’ve watched plenty of porn in my life, probably a bit more than average. I’ve never done anything out of the norm or unwanted to woman, let alone abuse one. I think shitty people will be shitty people and it’s just a really easy thing to point at instead of taking responsibility for it. It’s also a convenient plausible sounding correlation for people who already want to ban porn to use. | | |
| ▲ | BobaFloutist 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | If you change the argument to "can warp the mind of some men", it becomes much harder to falsify. | |
| ▲ | lokar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I can see the argument for a “correlation vs causation “ argument, but I’m not a social scientist. | |
| ▲ | schrodinger 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Agreed. It’s like the argument that video games cause shooters. Umm, I played plenty of GTA growing up and I’ve never stolen a car. People are actually very good at separating fantasy from reality, believe it or not. |
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| ▲ | GolfPopper an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Kind of like human nature, don't you think? That's one reason why traditionists in power usually crack down on any sort of pornography or alternate sexuality. Sex is a huge driver for human behavior. And established power structures would prefer that the only way for anyone to get sex is via compliance with the existing power structures. It's not something where the establishment is ever going to be able to perfectly control things, but if they can make it more difficult to get any sort of sexual gratification that doesn't align with their preferred social structure that gives the establishment an advantage in holding on to power. |
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| ▲ | miohtama an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The UK is doing it. Ofcom is investigating PornHub even after PornHub installed age checks as Ofcom claims age checks not “robust” (read: VPN ban). So hand over your id to see porn. https://x.com/moo9000/status/2102726344975040565?s=20 | |
| ▲ | pessimizer 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They don't care about porn. The people who would vote for it in Utah do, and that's why Utah is being used as a vehicle by other people to bolster the need to root all computers. | | |
| ▲ | EA-3167 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | How can you be that paranoid about one thing and so gullible with another? We’re surrounded by phones, cameras, smart cars, IoT, microphones and most people are on social media too. The government demonstrably has the ability to break into your comms and data without going through any of this. Instead of a libertarian conspiracy theory have you considered that politicians chase power and re-election? Taking a stand and making major changes is hard to pull off, costs a lot of political resources, and can backfire horribly. Doing symbolic, popular crap that’s popular with the (admittedly thick and ignorant) majority is an easy win. Moral outrage is an easy win. “Think of the children” is an easy win. Ed: Corrected “comma” to “comms” | | |
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