| ▲ | Aboutplants 5 hours ago |
| “OpenAI's new Pro 500 plan offers OpenAI's highest usage allowance and comes with access to its new "Ultrafast" feature — it also costs $500 per month. At the same time, OpenAI is also making its existing $200 Pro plan less appealing. In Codex and Work, $200 Pro subscribers will see their included usage decrease from 20x of what the company offers to Plus users, down to 10x of that same allowance. In ChatGPT, meanwhile, GPT-6 Pro message caps will decrease from 200 to 100 per week.” https://www.engadget.com/2272106/openai-adds-dollar500-pro-s... Yikes |
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| ▲ | TomGarden 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| They're really (finally?) starting to behave like a company bleeding money. Our VC-backed subscription days are numbered |
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| ▲ | glaslong 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Alas, I did enjoy burning investor money on my taxis, movies and tokens. | |
| ▲ | onlyrealcuzzo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Our VC-backed subscription days are numbered Well, the time it takes to compress frontier intelligence down to DeepSeek V4.1 Flash costs (basically too cheap to meter) is dropping, and the differential between the two is also dropping... So... who cares? | |
| ▲ | m3kw9 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm ok with whatever price they give out given they are not a monopoly and have competition, the lock in is minimum for me. This means they have legit reasons to send us this price plan. I don't believe they would shoot themselves in the foot when there is cut throat competition (Claude/opensource) out there. Lastly, I'd like to actually use it in the real world to see how far my plan goes or if its unusable. | |
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| ▲ | LeBit 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Let’s pray Chinese models are not banned. |
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| ▲ | Madmallard 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | how could u even ban them? lol | | |
| ▲ | girvo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Same way they’ve banned a lot of Chinese networking hardware: make it impossible for companies to use it. | | |
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| ▲ | user43928 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Unfortunate that the Ultrafast is only available with the $500 subscription. Tibo said that the existing $200 subscriptions keep the 20x factor for a while. Ultrafast would have been nice with the temporary "Pro 400" plan. |
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| ▲ | cactusplant7374 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ultrafast uses 6x the usage. They probably realize that people will complain if the plan limits are too low. In any case, the TCO of the newer chips is supposedly lower. Hopefully everyone is on ultrafast eventually. |
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| ▲ | torginus 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think that's by design - they're going to IPO soon so if they can get a significant percentage of users to switch from the $200 to the $500, they can 2.5x projected revenue. |
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| ▲ | glub 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, that's not going to happen. They are more likely to lose a lot of customers, unless Anthropic does the same thing. But $200 is likely the ceiling of what people will pay for a subscription with usage based on vibes. | | |
| ▲ | latentsea 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | For consumers they may as well buy GPUs and run local models. The cost is same over a year or two but infinite token usage, they get to keep the hardware, and local models continue to improve over that time too. I can't justify $200 on SOTA models for a personal subscription after Qwen3.8-27B. And it's only getting better from here. | | |
| ▲ | glub 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, either US AI corps reduce the cost of their top tier personal subscriptions down to what people are already paying for other expensive personal apps (e.g. Adobe), so ~$50-100, or open weights are going to eat their lunch very quickly. We're not there yet, as current hardware doesn't allow you to do things like multiple parallel agents, but we'll get there soon enough. $500 for the old $200 is definitely a fumble. | | |
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| ▲ | seizethecheese 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People said the same about $200 a month. I think the ceiling is probably much higher. Companies regularly spend 10% or more of employee cost on offices, SaaS, equipment. I could see these costs going to 10% of white collar income. | | |
| ▲ | glub 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > People said the same about $200 a month This is missing an important context. And I actually remember this well, because I was saying that too. And the reason I was saying is that $200 plan didn't come with API usage, it was a chat plan. It made no sense up until they started including API usage. Just as $500 makes no sense now. > costs going to 10% of white collar income. There's a permanent and ever lowering ceiling maintained by open weight models. It makes no sense to justify paying 10% of income permanently for something that will get you unlimited local inference for a 6 month subscription cost. | | |
| ▲ | seizethecheese 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m not quite sure I understand the API usage point as it relates to regular customers. | | |
| ▲ | glub 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You could only use it on chatgpt.com Now you can use it in coding harnesses that call the API. |
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| ▲ | adonese 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Very risky to do so especially considering how well is opus 5.5. | | | |
| ▲ | Computer0 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I am skeptical that individuals on the $200 and $500 plans make up that meaningful of a portion of revenue. |
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| ▲ | moregrist 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is pretty typical product positioning. You want to sell to both high-end and low-end users, so you offer products at a few price points. Then it turns out that that middle is a much better fit for most users. So you start making the middle a worse fit to push most of those users into the higher tiers. Long term, this only works if you have a non-commodity, and if the higher tier is actually more profitable. We'll eventually learn whether both are true. For OpenAI right now, it's probably enough to just increase revenue, even if the higher tier is even less profitable. |
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| ▲ | 5555watch 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The 200$ plan was appealing because you got 4x usage for 2x the price. Now, as it's linear, it makes much more sense to downgrade to 100$ OAI and pick up a 100$ Claude sub. (without doing the numbers) the usage should remain the same, total paid the same, but having access to best of both worlds. It should be a win for the user, and a loss for OAI. With this in mind, it sounds like a fumble by OAI. | | |
| ▲ | jpadkins 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is what I did. Hope it works out. The other benefit is you have a more natural method to avoid lock in. A lot of "improvements" to the agent harness I believe are attempts to build customer lock in. |
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| ▲ | latentsea 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At $500 per month, it's cheaper to just buy GPUs and use local models. |
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| ▲ | tripleee 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Have you looked at the prices of GPUs lately? | | |
| ▲ | latentsea 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yup. I got an R9700 recently for exactly this reason. Figured if I'm going to spend $2400 a year I may as well have something to show for it at the end of it. That they are expensive and climbing doesn't negate my point if the cost of the subscription over how long you plan to keep it is equally or more expensive than the GPUs. You can put together dual 5060 Ti or 5070 Ti systems to run local LLMs too. You don't need to splurge on a 5090. That's a bad option at this point. | | |
| ▲ | tripleee 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | What models are you running locally? Are you banking on them improving or do you think they're good enough today? 32GB of VRAM there wouldn't be close to enough to run the best local models. I've messed around with Qwen3.6-27B but I'm not sure if it could yet even replace Luna for me. |
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| ▲ | ndbe 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | honkycat 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wow, canceling my sub. Lets see how Claude is doing these days. I can justify $200/mo but more than double is not appealing to me. |
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| ▲ | WinstonSmith84 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, here is a breaking-news for you: the 20x from Claude is not a 20x on the weekly usage, it's a 20x on the 5h usage, while the weekly usage is simply double the $100 plan... Basically OpenAI aligned with Anthropic on the weekly usage with the caveat that OpenAI doesn't have a 5h limit. | | |
| ▲ | MCArth 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you've used both you know the OpenAI plans don't compare to Anthropic plans _at all_. Claude code subscriptions are probably worth 4x as much in API spend compared to the same OpenAI subscription tier. | | |
| ▲ | nostrebored 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think you have probably started using OpenAI recently -- one draw used to be that it was really, really hard to ever hit limits. If you did, you probably had usage resets available. I think this is still true provided you're not using Astra. | | |
| ▲ | machomaster an hour ago | parent [-] | | The shitty thing about OpenAI's resets is that, unlike Anthropic, they also reset the limit (on the next natural weekly reset). It means that of you pushed the reset button 5 days into the week, you only get 2 days' (2/7 of weekly) worth of extra tokens. |
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| ▲ | andriy_koval 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | people say this, but I am wondering if there is benchmark/dashboard which actually measures this? |
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| ▲ | the_duke 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It used to be bad, but right now with the 200$ Claude sub I find it pretty hard to blow past the session limit. You have to do a lot of things in parallel. | | |
| ▲ | InsideOutSanta 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, Fable is essentially unusable, it just burns through quota, but Opus 5.5 is great. The $200 plan goes a long way. |
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| ▲ | diffuse_l 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | OpenAI 20x wasn't 20x even before that change. I got a lot more from Claude 5x than Codex 20x... | | |
| ▲ | spiderice 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are literally completely flipping reality. Codex was, in fact, 20x. It was Claude that was not 20x until they got caught. | | |
| ▲ | diffuse_l 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm describing what I got from 20x Codex vs Claude 5x.
Codex is just not worth the money, at least for me.
What's flipped is the value you get for each of those |
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| ▲ | enraged_camel 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You are painting half of the picture, perhaps on purpose? The other half is this: Opus 5.5 is significantly better than both Sol 6.1 and Astra, and with the newly increased limits across the board, it is quite difficult to run out (unless you're spamming agents at Max effort). So it is a much, much better deal than OpenAI's Pro 100. | | |
| ▲ | WinstonSmith84 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Opus 5.5 is significantly better than (..) Sol 6.1 Come on .. this is barely released and you can already make that assessment? And no, the $200 Anthropic plan is not significantly better than the $200 OpenAI plan, it's just the same Marketing non-sense and anybody shall now rather stick to the $100 plan of both of these provider if the monthly budget is $200. Anthropic doesn't have a Luna Max equivalent, and frankly Sol 6.1 is yet to be thoroughly tested. | |
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| ▲ | cmrdporcupine 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "For antitrust reasons, it’s helpful for the US government to mediate or at least enable these discussions — they don’t need to participate, but do need to issue a narrow waiver for certain kinds of safety conversations. " - Dario a couple weeks ago. Yes, he was talking about safety, but IMHO they're likely already IMHO pushing the boundaries of cartel type behaviour. And they will use safety as the cover to make it happen. I suspect we'll see serious price fixing and the DOJ do nothing about it because of the inroads these people have with the Trump regime. Whether that survives contact with Chinese open weight models is hard to say. |
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| ▲ | spiderice 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > According to the company, existing subscribers will keep their current limits for a time, and will later receive a one-time credit to help them make the most of their new reduced allowances Might want to hold off on canceling and continue to bleed them dry until the nerf hits | | |
| ▲ | honkycat 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I just got an email telling me this isn't true. They're immediately cutting my 200, which I've had for like a year. |
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| ▲ | surgical_fire 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| OpenAI is deeply unprofitable, particularly on those pro plans. The only way is for prices to go up. Way up. |
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| ▲ | mrtesthah 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It really does look like OpenAI is trying to gradually get rid of their subscription plans. Every week there is noticeably less usage available to them while each new model release boasts substantially cheaper API token pricing. If this continues then the two pricing models will eventually be at parity. | | |
| ▲ | surgical_fire 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The subscription plans are a huge money sink, that obviously will have to go away or be priced at a ridiculous level to make sense. | | |
| ▲ | machomaster an hour ago | parent [-] | | This is not true at all, at the most fundamental level. There is a reason why all the businesses (IT, gyms, cars, restaurants, streaming services, music, games, stores, apps, food delivery, magazines, newspapers, shaving blades, parfume, etc) are doing everything in their to get subscribers and are willing to decrease prices in order to get customers who are paying the monthly (or even better, a yearly) fee. | | |
| ▲ | surgical_fire 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This is delusional. The cost of providing the tokens for a heavy user (and let's be frank, the people paying $200 are likely heavy users) is many, many times more than the $200 recurring revenue they generate. |
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