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BenzeneDream an hour ago

Its not pretty bad for people.

0c3ca83 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Go talk to an artist, a junior developer, or a musician. And then realize that the goal is to generalize the damage to every other intellectual domain.

howunfortunate 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This same argument is easily dismissed by most because it boils down to "why not dig with spoons?"

It only becomes compelling to me if you believe in true AGI/ASI, at which point all human labor becomes irrelevant, and then we have something quite new to think about.

But simply "it automates away a small portion of jobs" is not compelling.

0c3ca83 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

How much of human labor has to become irrelevant before we have something new to think about?

bradishungry an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Don’t forget the effect on students! It has the potential to be a great learning tool, but nothing is in place for that to happen. It more likely just kills all reinforcement learning

petcat an hour ago | parent [-]

> kills all reinforcement learning

I have the opposite experience. My intellectual curiosity has increased immensely since starting to use Chat GPT. I can snap a picture and instantly know what kind of bug I am looking at, whether I am looking at a Red-Tailed hawk or a Red-Shouldered hawk and how to tell the difference, what the gauges on my water tank and boiler mean, and numerous other things that I am curious about daily.

These are things around me that I wouldn't have bothered to investigate just due to time and effort. And now I appreciate all these little curiosities more than ever.

0c3ca83 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

So tell me about the red tailed hawk. Why is it interesting, and how will you apply that in your life?

According to current theories of learning, the best learning happens at the point of struggle, where you internalize that you went down a wrong path, and needed to backtrack. What part of the struggle of learning did you experience as a result of this, and how did it reshape other thought patterns?

petcat 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't know what to tell you, it's just a tool man. Like a Google search or a trip to the library.

Why don't you tell me about your struggle to research and discover all the science and technology behind indoor plumbing so you don't have to take a shit in the yard, or in your pants?

0c3ca83 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't think I ever pitched plumbing as a tool for learning (though, I did learn a lot by repairing it myself).

ipsod an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same.

Reminds me of this cartoon: https://imgur.com/life-before-google-q0eP1Rg

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"Life Before Google: A Short Story"

dog: I just thought of something I'd like to know more about.

rabbit: That's a damn shame.

THE END

j4yav an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Being able to look something up real quick isn’t the same as knowing something, is it, especially in the specific absence of some reinforcement mechanism to retain it?

petcat 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is suggesting that I can only know something if I had to painstakingly research and discover it myself?

j4yav 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I just mean that I’ve been able to casually look things up once in a moment of curiosity on the internet since the 90s. This did not lead to memorising all those interesting facts, and I’m not sure what the mechanism is that would lead to that sort of knowledge acquisition. If anything I’ve probably learned less because I know I can just look something up I’d have otherwise needed to learn.

The knowledge I have learned has indeed come from what might arguably be described as, maybe not as painstaking, but certainly with intention and effort.

jplusequalt 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

No, but your example of being able to quickly look something up doesn't back up your claim that AI will boost everyone's ability to learn.

jplusequalt 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>These are things around me that I wouldn't have bothered to investigate just due to time and effort. And now I appreciate all these little curiosities more than ever.

I think you're conflating access to information with genuine learning.

vablings an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean for me personally I have always had an obsession for knowing these things anyways, it just lowered the barrier to entry for me a little bit in terms of information gathering

First I went from asking my parents then reading lots of books then specifically researching on google and forums now for most general knowledge information I can just ask AI

officeplant an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you for your service, your influencer token stipend has been applied to your account.

tantalor an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It has literally contributed to suicide and murders:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_linked_to_chatbots

Here's just a taste:

> ChatGPT was shown to support and even encourage dangerous drug use, with statements such as "Hell yes—let's go full trippy mode" and advice on reducing his Xanax tolerance so that a single tablet will "fuck you up"

lucumo an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> It has literally contributed to suicide and murders:

So have ballpoint pens.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-32489335 https://www.tribune242.com/news/2020/jan/22/ballpoint-pen-ki... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders

ipsod an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It has literally contributed to suicide and murders

So have many pharmaceuticals that are generally regarded as beneficial. Suicide is a side effect of more than a few, but doctors disregard that, believing that the results are worth the risk.

tantalor 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

Drugs that carry a risk of suicide are required to have a black box warning.

Should we add that to ChatGPT too?

ipsod 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

Honestly, a lot of people could stand to be a lot more informed about what they're getting into. People could use a lot more skepticism when interacting with AI, social media, news feeds, and basically every other form of media, especially those originating at the top of some pyramid or another.

I don't tend to like controls or regulations, though. Not that they aren't needed, but I don't trust the people responsible for writing and enforcing them. More often than not, they are just the top of the pyramid squashing everything beneath it.

Lerc an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

How proportional is it to deaths caused by other technologies by usage?

With large enough numbers the existence of any extremely rare event becomes certain. Consequently claiming there are instances carries no information value.

Proportionality is the only sensible measure. How much more dangerous are Chatbots compared to, say, teapots?

Insanity an hour ago | parent [-]

That’s close to whataboutism.. just because other technology can also be dangerous doesn’t absolve OpenAI/ChatGPT.

Also, ChatGPT is clearly exerting a massive (potential) influence on people if their MAU numbers are to be believed, so rightfully it should get attention on the potential harm.

skybrian an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It can be bad for some people (many stories in the news about this) while still being good for other people. Hard to say overall or in the long run.

selfhoster1312 an hour ago | parent [-]

I'd like to argue the other way around, it can be bad for some people while still being extinction-level bad for entire species. I'm not talking about sentient AI going Matrix, i'm talking about the real material impact of datacenters being built so that a small minority can enjoy funny tools.

ipsod an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Do data centers compare to the human population going from 2 billion to 8 billion over the past 100 years? Or, are they just a drop in the ocean?

selfhoster1312 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

Oh, they're more than a drop in the ocean for sure. Which doesn't mean there's not other things to address, where population is definitely not the main problematic factor, but consumerism is (and throwaway culture). This kind of whataboutism is fallacious, you can do better.

EDIT: As a small anecdotal point, any new human activity that is measured in GW of power consumption is not a drop in the ocean. Admitted, some of these data centers projects are "only" in the 100s MW scale, but all of this combined is increasing electricity consumption by a vast amount overall.

skybrian 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Extinction due to building too many data centers? How would that even work?

selfhoster1312 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's not just the data centers, but it's part of a bigger trend of massive industrial projects depleting natural resources for questionable benefits for humanity. There's basically two approaches to ecological problems: either pretend some wonder technology (AI?) is going to save us all and keep driving straight into the wall, or seriously question any industrial activity in a cost/benefit analysis.

Our society is currently headed in the first scenario, building ever more useless shit and accelerating environmental collapse, pretending CO2 capture, AI, unlimited energy storage, agro-bots, desalination and on-site recycling of complex materials will magically keep life sustainable despite any scientific evidence showing otherwise.