| ▲ | US troop deaths during Iran war exceed Pentagon count by at least four(reuters.com) |
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| ▲ | bitcurious 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > The newspaper also reported, citing another unidentified official, that not all of the undisclosed deaths were directly tied to the months-long conflict but involved US personnel who were in the Middle East amid ongoing hostilities. If someone dies near a war, but not due to the war, is it really fair to count them as a war fatality? |
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| ▲ | lukan 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If they are killed by houthi drones and not iranian drones, I would think so. If someone on a military base with no attacks going on, got a heart attack by watching the news, probably not a war fatality. But we don't know, so any concrete speculation is probably not very helpful. | | |
| ▲ | AnotherGoodName 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To get more specific this often means 'suicide' which absolutely is a casualty of war given the strain of war conditions, especially given the logistics concerns and duration of tours that they are forcing right now. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Did it end up being true that the troops on that aircraft carrier had to catch rats and cook them to survive? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Are you, uh, mixing up the term "midrats" with something? I've not seen this claim. The fact that they sent it immediately home for a port call (and had SecNavy visit for a pep talk) when the news of conditions on the Lincoln broke is probably indicative. |
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| ▲ | Freedom2 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | What logistics concerns are there? Isn't the US supposed to be one of the best at managing wartime logistics, which is why they have bases all around the world? | | |
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| ▲ | throw0101a 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > If someone on a military base with no attacks going on, got a heart attack by watching the news, probably not a war fatality. Were they at that base as a (say) mechanic servicing aircraft engines for flights over the Persian Gulf? Are the only reasons why the planes (and thus him) are there is because of the hostilities with Iran, as otherwise they would be States-side? |
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| ▲ | runako an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "With Covid, not of Covid," but for military casualties. One does see something new every day. | | |
| ▲ | Retric 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There’s often more ambiguity than that. “Died of a COVID linked complication with COVID and other issue that is also linked to that complication.” You can’t spend endless resources deciding if something is or isn’t responsible. Systems use arbitrary buckets like if someone commits suicide in less than six months from coming home after a war might count it, while excluding every case after six months. That’s going to misclassify cases in both directions but means you don’t need to track millions of people for decades or look through mental health details. Obviously people with more data to work with can make a convincing case you’re wrong, but higher levels accuracy get expensive. In the end we know more than 1 million Americans died of COVID for example, how many more isn’t precisely known but ~1 million is plenty useful for decision making around the next pandemic. |
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| ▲ | lokar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's routinely written and recounted that for most wars in history more people died from disease than combat. But we still count them all as war deaths. | |
| ▲ | searealist an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It depends who is president. |
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| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I will admit that after today's CNN report and subsequent CNN ban, I wondered why he is so annoyed. And now it makes more sense. |
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| ▲ | mandeepj 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If Congress can get its act together, it can clearly tell this lunatic to fall in line and start performing according to his Job description, otherwise boot him out. But there's no chance they are going to do it. They politicized fallen heroes from the Afghanisation withdrawal for their campaign time during RNC 2024. Current events clearly show they don't give a F about anything but themselves. |
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| ▲ | cocacola1 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s 2006. The President has embroiled us in an unpopular war in the Middle East and has lied about it. It’s 2026. The President has embroiled us in an unpopular war in the Middle East and has lied about it. |
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| ▲ | throw0101a 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > The President has embroiled us in an unpopular war in the Middle East and has lied about it. The Republican President has embroiled us in an unpopular war in the Middle East and has lied about it. | |
| ▲ | jMyles 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Notably, the US is on precisely the opposite side of the conflict in 2026 compared to 2006. To put it differently: its stated allies are direct lineal political and military descendants of the parties who were ostensibly its enemies in 2006, including Al-Qaeda / Jabhat Al-Nusra. | | |
| ▲ | Enginerrrd an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s… hilariously not exactly new either. It can be said that our enemies and allies in 2006 were the almost exact opposite of the conflict in the 1980’s when we were funding the afghan mujahideen to fight the soviets. So theoretically in another 20-30 years we can take a guess at who we’ll be fighting. | | | |
| ▲ | throw310822 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Seems exactly on the same side to me- Netanyahu was the one that pushed most for the US invasion of Iraq: "Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel [...] also visited Washington in late 2002 to lobby for the invasion of Iraq. Apparently referring to testimony on the Middle East that Mr. Netanyahu delivered to Congress on Sept. 12, 2002, when he was a private citizen, Mr. Kerry told the House Foreign Affairs Committee, “The prime minister, as you will recall, was profoundly forward-leaning and outspoken about the importance of invading Iraq under George W. Bush, and we all know what happened with that decision.” Video of Mr. Netanyahu’s 2002 remarks — in which he said “I think the choice of Iraq is a good choice, it’s the right choice” https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/world/middleeast/kerry-re... | |
| ▲ | tessierashpool an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is par for the course for US foreign policy in the region. There's even (disputed) allegations that Bush Sr funneled money and weapons to bin Laden in opposition to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. If true, the big 2006 enemy was a 1986 ally. | | |
| ▲ | thenthenthen an hour ago | parent [-] | | Disputed by who? “Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken”[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone I also recommend the book “The Great War for Civilisation” by Robert Fisk | | |
| ▲ | jMyles an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Disputed by who? Yeah, I was gonna say, as conspiracy theories go, this one is pretty much in the books at this point. Fuck man, Tom Hanks stars in a movie about it; that's about as mainstream as it gets. |
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| ▲ | throwme_123 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you never been at school? |
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| ▲ | dfxm12 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's 2016. Candidate Trump rails on Bush and his decision to get involved in Iraq. He's not just a liar. He sold out his country. | | |
| ▲ | fhdkweig 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I can't find the citation, but I vaguely recall him saying that if Kamala Harris was elected, she would start a war with Iran. | | |
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| ▲ | bix6 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And all the republicans will still vote red for the lying, cheating, grifting man. All my life I have had faith in the governments reports and statistics for the most part. This admin has torn everything down and for what? |
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| ▲ | atmavatar 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | For a sizable fraction of people, when the facts conflict with their biases, they choose to reject the facts and double-down on their biases. | | |
| ▲ | lokar 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Racism is a very powerful belief system. | | |
| ▲ | shermantanktop an hour ago | parent [-] | | -isms of all kind are powerful. But the most powerful are those that give the believer a distant group of people for them to blame for all their troubles, which are often self-inflicted. | | |
| ▲ | anonymous_user9 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Are you saying that calling people racist is the worst bigotry? | | |
| ▲ | mitxela 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | no they're agreeing racism is bad | |
| ▲ | zmgsabst an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | False accusations of racism (and similar moral slander) is the first step in dehumanizing an outgroup. | | |
| ▲ | solid_fuel 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > False accusations of racism (and similar moral slander) is the first step in dehumanizing an outgroup. Accurately describing the racism that motivates the politics and actions of a group is the first step in addressing the way they dehumanize their opponents. | |
| ▲ | bix6 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Pretty fascinating dem vs rep split. Dems say everyone experiences racism. Reps say white people experience it. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/05/20/views-of-how... | | |
| ▲ | zmgsabst 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | We must be reading different charts — the only one I can see has consistent numbers among Republicans (50%) but high numbers for Democrats (90%) except for Whites (20%). So your characterization is completely wrong: Republicans mildly think everybody does, while Democrats deny white people do. | | |
| ▲ | bix6 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | We must be on different planets since America and its institutions are majority white. > 94% of Democrats say Black people face at least some discrimination, compared with 54% of Republicans.
90% of Democrats say the same about Hispanic people, compared with 54% of Republicans.
83% of Democrats say Asian people face widespread discrimination, versus 51% of Republicans.
By contrast, Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to say that White people face at least some discrimination (55% vs. 21%). |
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| ▲ | maxerickson an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | More likely something like describing Trumpism. |
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| ▲ | airstrike an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | From an outsider's perspective, it's to be expected given the existence of cognitive dissonance. I just wish people would snap out of it _eventually_ |
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| ▲ | silisili 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | People tend to vote with their wallets in mind more than anything. I think that's why it ping ponged(inflation), and why they're getting destroyed in the midterm polling. The next president will likely have a D next to their name(more inflation). | | |
| ▲ | jimt1234 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I heard a good quote once: People don't vote to say thank you. People vote to say fuck you. | | |
| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >People don't vote to say thank you. How true is that? Plenty of older people I know vote consistently for one party because it did something good for them a long time ago. |
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| ▲ | HumblyTossed 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't trust polling. | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Both times Trump won, the polls predicted he would lose. | | |
| ▲ | PenguinCoder 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Legally can't run a third time or be voted for again. But then again, legality hasn't stopped the things he does. Others need to step up. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They reinterpreted the constitution to say no president can be presidentmore than twice consecutively, even though it doesn't say that. Like how in Russia, the constitution obviously meant to say Putin will always be the president. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not by anything like the 8-9 points we're seeing in midterm polling right now. |
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| ▲ | dfxm12 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Trump was president before. People didn't vote for him a second time if they wanted to improve the economy. | |
| ▲ | zmgsabst 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Trump himself only happened because Ds abandoned the working class for grievance politics circa 2010 — forming “public private partnerships” to tear open old wounds while screwing the working class on behalf of corporations. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Ds are doing neither. They're just pretending if they don't change anything, everything will be alright. | |
| ▲ | clipsy 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're a couple decades late there, it was Clinton and the Third Way(tm) Democrats that abandoned blue collar workers. (Of course, that doesn't capture the full story either -- before '92, white blue collar workers were already abandoning the Democrats to support Reagan while he and the Republicans gutted private sector unions.) |
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| ▲ | yakz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They had a firm belief that the reports and statistics were fake. Let's see how this turns out. *by "they" I mean the voters... the people that were elected were, and are well informed | | |
| ▲ | lumost 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | How confident are we that they know it’s fake? I somehow doubt they close the door and pull out the real information. |
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| ▲ | pianopatrick 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Time will tell how the votes will go in November. Right now the thing I'm hearing on podcasts is that a significant group of people who voted for Trump in 2024 might stay home. We'll know in less than two months. | |
| ▲ | underlipton 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Still have my fingers crossed that the guy in Kentucky gunning for McConnell's seat can pull off a historic upset. | |
| ▲ | throw2a an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That tells a lot about Christian values | |
| ▲ | verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | May I assume you ask "for what?" rhetorically? | |
| ▲ | jimt1234 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > All my life I have had faith in the governments reports and statistics ... My Boomer mother tells me about this all the time. She said, growing up, people had absolute faith in everything the US government did or said; it was like religion. Then Vietnam happened. Specifically, the reporting around Vietnam and the number of casualties. My mother said that everyone knew someone who lost a family member in Vietnam, but the government was like, "Everything's fine." | | |
| ▲ | bix6 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah I’m more talking things like the census. Or the report that they skipped a month of this year (inflation, jobs, I can’t recall for certain). |
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| ▲ | jimt1234 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > ...and for what? To keep the grift going, of course. | | |
| ▲ | Buttons840 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's fair to say, but lacks details. Most of Trump's public statements are done through a company that he owns. That same company charges a modest $100,000 per month for early access to his posts; just straight up facilitating insider trading for the President's personal profit. Plus people might find the administration making decision in their favor while paying the $100,000 a month. There's also Trumpcoin through which people can transfer money to the President. This just happens in the open. Remember when Trump had personal 1-on-1 meetings with the top Trumpcoin holders? I remember. I've barely scratched the surface here. Trump's personal worth has increased $3,000,000,000 during his second term, so far. Corruption has existed before, but it has never been this out in the open. | | |
| ▲ | kraken_cult 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which can only probably be a benefit. If the corruption is this blatant and bad maybe the next swing around the pendulum there is less because people realize how much it's bad. | | |
| ▲ | Buttons840 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Is secret corruption or open corruption worse? It's an interesting question; each has unique cons. I will say that open corruption is only better if people recognize it as corruption. The people in my life do not know about the things I mentioned, and they don't care to learn about it. | |
| ▲ | dfxm12 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It'll remain bad unless these people face the proper punishment for selling out the country. |
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| ▲ | diego_moita 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Don't worry! Trump has a solution for that! He's gonna change the name of the Strait of Hormuz to "Large of America". And all ships will be able to pass because freedom. Take that Iran! |
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| ▲ | Razengan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I recently fell into a rabbit hole of YouTube docs about wars from WW2's end till 2000 Most of those wars were mostly caused or perpetuated by the US or USSR not wanting countries to go to the other side. In any video that shows the timeline of any war, there's scenes from the war, then it cuts to photos and scenes of politicians in the "master countries" sitting in their offices making decisions, looking worried, on the phone, arguing, exasperated etc but otherwise comfortable, in their armchairs or on their sofas, far far removed from the people dying in the war.. ...It's amazing how people keep agreeing to that. |
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| ▲ | option 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| US murdered 123 children in school, this has to be the top story of all world news for a year |
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| ▲ | ericmay an hour ago | parent [-] | | It might be but then you have to remember Iran intentionally murdered over 30,000 of its own people including women and children so that’s actually what should be the top story of all world news for a year. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway173738 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That doesn’t excuse us doing it when we’re trying to cop the moral high ground. Otherwise we’re just in a race to see who can do the worst things. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Ours was a mistake, not intentional. There is a huge difference. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | "We were just very negligent" is probably not a huge comfort to the kids' families. https://www.npr.org/2026/08/31/nx-s1-5948118/pentagon-explor... > Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gutted a program that's designed to limit the number of civilians killed by American forces. He did that over unanimous objections from top commanders after polling them, according to reporting from ProPublica. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Any given policy choice we make results in bad things happening to someone. War is just politics by other means. If we stand around and do nothing, maybe Iran kills 5000 kids for being homosexual over the next few years? If we close all the coal mines a whole entire state goes on an opioid addiction. If we don’t close the coal mines the environment suffers and people die from pollution. If we don’t kill millions of Japanese soldiers maybe China is still a Japanese colony. Life is tough. There aren’t perfect answers. Cackling criticism from the safety of the couch doesn’t solve anything. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | "We got rid of the people who prevent civilian casualties and a bunch of civilians died shortly thereafter" isn't the unpreventable random act of God you're trying to make it out to be. There are often not perfect answers in life. But there are definitely some wrong ones. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They aren’t the only people who prevent civilian casualties though. It also doesn’t prevent civilian casualties generally given that civilian casualties have occurred prior to this organization being disbanded. Anyway let’s talk about the 30,000+ people Iran has murdered. Should they set up a board that prevents their military from killing protestors in person with machine guns? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Anyway let’s talk about the 30,000+ people Iran has murdered. Iran is already one of the most heavily sanctioned countries on the planet. Do you want us to bomb them? Maybe kill their leadership? I'm sure it'll help. If you're genuinely interested in preventing mass civilian casualties, I can think of a country doing such a thing we've got a lot more leverage over, with quite a bit of weaponry we supply. The casual dismissal of Hegseth's clear actions to deprioritize civilian protection hints, I think, at how genuine that is. | |
| ▲ | clipsy 3 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Whataboutism is a sign that you've lost the argument in the best of cases, but it's particularly disgusting to attempt to use it to distract from the blood of a hundred murdered children on your own country's hands. Two wrongs do not, in fact, make a right. The lesser of two evils is still, in fact, evil. Be a better person. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Don’t care for the moral grandstanding. Save that for the dead at the hands of Iran’s murderous regime. |
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| ▲ | micromacrofoot 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| now we get to wonder why we're no strangers to troops dying due to ongoing conflict pretty much everywhere so why are they seemingly hiding a small number like this? |
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| ▲ | solid_fuel 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > so why are they seemingly hiding a small number like this? Reflexive lies are basically the policy of this administration and party. They have demonstrated no interest in telling the truth about anything. The proper question is: Why would they start telling the truth now? Their base has already demonstrated that there is no red line. There is no lie they could tell that would suddenly disillusion the MAGA-types. | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > so why are they seemingly hiding a small number like this? They deny everything, no matter how low the stakes. See, for example, the reflecting pool fuss. | | | |
| ▲ | Avicebron 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Because they are flailing? Fuel prices will decide the midterms. There are pockets of die hards but after asking plenty of trump voters, they aren't happy. As long as the democrats in the US keep the identity shit to a minimum and make gains on actual issues likr housing and healthcare they can't lose. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > they can't lose. Thanks for the laugh. The Dems have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. | | |
| ▲ | frmersdog 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You think those "losses" aren't (to a degree) calculated? They are going to try their damnedest to win enough seats to do what they want, without winning so many that they'd have to do what they must. | | |
| ▲ | Avicebron an hour ago | parent [-] | | The greatest career move a politician can make is to take an issue that lots of people are suffering from and make sure it is never solved but people still think they are the one who can solve it. This is Bernie's whole career (among others). | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | the same can be said about bigPharma | |
| ▲ | user68858788 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Bernie is one of the few politicians that have a voting record which aligns with their rhetoric, going back decades. | |
| ▲ | mitxela 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Bernie never won the presidency though? | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Being president pretty much ends your power/influence. So if you don't get what you want accomplished, you're not getting it done. As a Senator, you get 6 years every time you win an election. With that, some people are more effective not being president. | |
| ▲ | Avicebron 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't dislike Bernie, I'm pointing out a trend among politicians. |
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| ▲ | Avicebron 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I never said it wasn't going to be an incompetence slugfest |
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| ▲ | _doctor_love 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | During conflict, which side is winning or losing is usually counted in number of body bags sent home. These tend to influence voters tremendously. Anything to tell a good story on that front. | | |
| ▲ | vkou an hour ago | parent [-] | | In a conflict, the side that is winning is the side that still has the will to fight. |
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| ▲ | amelius 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > so why are they seemingly hiding a small number like this? Because they claimed a "flawless victory". | |
| ▲ | lokar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In today's information environment, why would you ever admit to anything that hurts you? There seems to be no penalty for dishonesty. | |
| ▲ | verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Roy Cohn, one of young Trump's "educators" (also tied to McCarthy's Red Scare) He taught Trump to always take credit for the good things and blame someone else for the failures. When there is no one to blame, hide it and/or deny it loudly |
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| ▲ | shadowtree 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Zero service members died in our just announced de facto annexation of Greenland. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/18/us/politics/trump-greenla... |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | They probably just re-extended the existing treaty so he could call it a win. https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/04-806-Denm... | | |
| ▲ | shadowtree an hour ago | parent [-] | | "Among the agreed provisions is one stating the deal would not expire even if Greenland became an independent country in the future. The official added that under the deal, the US has unilateral power to build additional military structures with no approval needed from Greenland or Denmark. It includes "permanent access, basing and overflights rights," the official said. It also bans non-Nato countries from building bases in Greenland, and "bans adversaries from making investments in Greenland that could threaten the United States". The official added that under the current status quo, adversaries have been allowed to invest in Greenland's "sensitive sectors without investment screening". The official specifically referenced Russia and China, saying it blocks them from deploying troops or making investments in "sensitive sectors". Without the official text being released, it is unclear how exactly the deal differs from a 1951 agreement with Denmark, under which the US can send as many troops as it wants to Greenland." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c63d7lexyym1o | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz an hour ago | parent [-] | | They already had these sorts of things (and Denmark, as a NATO member, was already pretty unlikely to permit Russian basing there). https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/den001.asp "United States aircraft may fly over and land in any territory in Greenland" "the Government of the United States of America, without compensation to the Government of the Kingdom of Denmark, shall be entitled within such defense area and the air spaces and waters adjacent thereto... (ii) to construct, install, maintain, and operate facilities and equipment" etc. | | |
| ▲ | ericmay an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sure but maybe we have them in a much more important and secure way. I agree Denmark is/was unlikely to allow Russia or China to set up a base in Greenland (who knows about commercial exploration), but at the same time you have to remember that the EU let China into its communication systems via Hauwei, and Germany for example voluntarily became dependent on Russian gas and oil infrastructure which they have thankfully reversed. The EU isn’t immune from bad decisions or ones which threaten NATO security. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Sure but maybe we have them in a much more important and secure way. Sure, and maybe the reflecting pool is clean and sparkly. |
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| ▲ | krferriter an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Reading that it sounds like nothing is changing in terms of US military access to Greenland, and they’re essentially just reaffirming the existing agreement which provided broad and permanent US and NATO access to Greenland. I think interacting with Trump is like interacting with a dementia patient who also is a malignant narcissistic and pathological liar, so I imagine Danish and US staffers had to find a way to frame the agreement to him that made it sound like he had gained something major, in order to get him to shut up about the issue and stop obsessing over his conquest ideas. |
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| ▲ | matteoraso an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It's crazy just how bullshit this war has been. At least with Iraq, you can argue that Saddam Hussein used to own WMDs in the 90s. What the hell is America doing in Iran? |
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| ▲ | krferriter an hour ago | parent [-] | | We’re attempting to degrade the capability of Israel’s primary regional opponent so that Israel can continue and accelerate its ethnic cleansing and land annexations in both the Palestinian territories it administers, and in the neighboring states of Lebanon and Syria. That’s what we’re doing. | | |
| ▲ | diegolas an hour ago | parent [-] | | i never thought i would live to see the US support such a campaign by a clearly rogue terrorist ethnostate run by war criminals | | |
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