| ▲ | stickfigure a day ago |
| > buying 150 F35's Your immediate neighbor is going on an imperialist streak right now, and Xi says he wants the fireworks to start in his lifetime. I don't know if F35s are the right answer for Japan, but Xi isn't that young. Get ready however you can. |
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| ▲ | r3trohack3r a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| The ministry of propaganda in China runs an English language international news channel available as an IPTV stream (https://tvexplorer.live/) If you want a better understanding of which world events China is not happy about, tuning in there to see what they cover unfavorably has been useful for me. They seem to be very unhappy about Japan building up its war fighting capacity. |
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| ▲ | isityettime a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > They seem to be very unhappy about Japan building up its war fighting capacity. Maybe because of Japan's history of horrific war crimes and occupation in China? You know, the actual imperial conquest for which their constitution prohibits them from having a standing air force? | | |
| ▲ | bulbar 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Germany is also pumping a lot of money into Military. Nobody in Europe seems to mind. Pretty sure China is unhappy not for history reason, but because of the current situation, which is that China tries to establish military dominance in the region and wants to invade Taiwan. | | |
| ▲ | rozab 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Germany does not have public shrines to the perpetrators of genocide which heads of state pay respects at. There was no Kniefall von Warschau for Japan. | |
| ▲ | akk0 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > nobody in Europe seems to mind It's maybe not part of the public discourse so much, but I regularly hear ordinary people express their concern about this |
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| ▲ | leereeves 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't imagine modern Japan being a threat to modern China. That seems like David (Japan) vs Goliath, but unlikely to have the mythical outcome. | |
| ▲ | conception a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Por que no los dos? | |
| ▲ | carefree-bob 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I fail to see the logic here, can you spell this out for me? Are you saying: 1. Japan pissed off other countries and therefore does not need to defend itself from this greater threat? 2. Japan pissed off other countries and therefore should not be allowed to defend itself from this greater threat? It should just be conquered as a type of moral punishment (wasn't Japan already nuked, conquered, and occupied? Wasn't that enough? If not, why not?) 3. There is no greater threat. That Japan pissed off countries in the past has no bearing on the level of threat facing Japan today, in which case they should be allowed to spend as much as their neighbors on defense and the past is a non-issue. 4. There is a negative threat -- that Japan pissed off countries in the past means that they are now more secure and therefore less in need of defense? Which of these are you arguing? I am a little lost about how Japan committing war crimes in the past means they do need to spend as much on defense today, as this is a very counterintuitive claim, and it appears you are arguing for 4 or, if a dark personality, for 2. In which case, I'd like you to spell it out for the community to hear. | | |
| ▲ | amdivia 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think its 5. that it is understandable for some countries to fear and be concerned when Japan arms itself. it's not a statement on what should be and shouldn't be, but rather attempting to provide reasons as to why China might not like this move, without resorting to claims of propaganda or the fear being illegitement | | |
| ▲ | zabana 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The irony of westerners accusing china of propaganda will never be lost on me. | | | |
| ▲ | carefree-bob 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The emotional reaction you are describing is just 'I don't like Japan, therefore any news of Japan increasing its defense makes me upset', and honestly I don't think this sentiment has any reasoning behind it, and doesn't need to be justified or defended, but in the same manner, it doesn't need to be heeded. Nations don't make security decisions based on the hatred of other nationals, or whatever hurt feelings they might have, they make spending decisions based on their own security needs. In the case of Japan, it has serious security needs because the US is much weaker now and cannot provide a defense shield, whereas China is both much stronger and also is making expansive territorial claims in the South China Sea. That calls for more defense spending just as a rational response. It also calls for Japan to update its constitution as the postwar arrangement comes to an end, which they will do, and they will also develop nuclear weapons. Honestly it makes no sense for South Korea to not have a nuke if North Korea does. When you have a conflict between two nations, and one acquires nuclear weapons, the other side is driven to do the same. Look at India and Pakistan. In the past, the US kept a lid on things because it had such overwhelming dominance that it could be a global policeman and in that environment, individual nations didn't need to provide for their own defense, they had a policeman to back them. But that era is now over, and as much as people complained about the US strutting around like a global cop, they are about to see the consequences of a world without a global cop -- that is, the world as it normally exists. In that world, it makes no sense for Japan to not have a nuke if North Korea and China does, and soon South Korea will, too. My guess is that South Korea will go nuclear first. Just as it makes no sense for Iran to not have a nuke if Israel does. This is not a matter of hurt feelings, it is a matter of security balancing. It doesn't matter if you don't like Iran, or if you do like it, it's just a question of nations taking care of their own survival. All of this will happen, and we will look back on the period of non-proliferation as being an artifact of US global dominance, understanding that as US military dominance fades, nations will turn to measures of self-help in a hostile world. The whole world is changing, and we should face it with clarity and wisdom, not with hurt feelings. There are all sorts of repercussions to global trade, to global security arrangements, that are changing right now, and it helps to have your eyes open and think "well, how would each nation respond to this new threat environment" in a deliberate and realist perspective, rather than whether you like a given country or not. One example is what is happening right now in Saudi Arabia. The US promised to be Saudi's security guarantor in 1945, and historically the US has done this, but this is a role that the US can no longer play, so Saudi Arabia is now being beaten by Yemen, and is desperately appealing to the US for help, but there is little the US can do. Now Saudi Arabia is in a pickle -- it will also turn to nuclear weapons. One thing to think about is the moral hazard of these types of security guarantees - they incentivize client states to provoke their enemies, in this case Saudi Arabia invading and occupying Yemen, installing a puppet government, and blockading the nation. When you have the US at your back, you can take these provocative actions. But then comes a moment when you look behind and the Big Brother is no longer there. Then we can look at Europe, you have this demilitarized continent that is doing things like seizing Russian ships because they are confident that the US will step and fight a war with Russia on their behalf. Well, they are going to learn that reality has changed and the US no longer has the power projection capability it once did. And what will they do? My guess is that at least one European state will nuclearize. We are going to see major shifts happen as nations regionalize, many nations nuclearize, and new regional trade blocs form that disrupt global capital flows that we have taken for granted, especially if you formed your view of reality in the era when there was a Global Cop that had your back. |
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| ▲ | throw0101a 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Maybe because of Japan's history of horrific war crimes and occupation in China? I'm sure Uyghurs and Tibetans have an opinion on the pot calling the kettle black. | |
| ▲ | DaSHacka a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | +15 Social Credit! |
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| ▲ | Walf a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Japan is never going to voluntarily attack China. Even if there was a desire to, they know they could not win. Any military build up by the former is due to fear of the latter. | | |
| ▲ | 0manrho a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Japan probably won't not attack China (I don't see why they would, not proactively at least), that's not what was being asserted. Japan however may defend Taiwan or allies/neighbors in the south china sea should things go hot there elsewise. And Japan have stated at least some interest in doing so which means that if China wants Taiwan, they might have to contend with japan. These sort of things can work as a deterrent as much as power projection, and they don't have to get into direct violent/physical conflict for there to be diplomatic tension/worsening of relations as a result. I'm not saying this is most effective use of Japan's resources or focus or that China is for sure going to do anything or making any other such claims, just explaining the potential rational for why China would be non-plussed at Japan over F35 purchases even if they don't feel Japan is gunning for them. Of course, if china has no actual wartime intentions in Japans sphere of influence, then yeah, they probably give much less of a shit. So depends on what their intentions really are as to how they feel about it. The fact that they're publicly broadcasting displeasure is probably not a sign that they're cool with it though. | | |
| ▲ | Walf a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Any protest from China is just painting themselves as being in a defensive position, whilst they make claims over the oceans and territories that the international community disagrees with. Very much not defensive acts. | | |
| ▲ | stickfigure a day ago | parent [-] | | It's the Putin playbook. "It's NATO's fault we need to kill Ukranians!" | | |
| ▲ | hdgvhicv 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Putin actually invaded Ukraine. America has threatened to invade Greenland and made noises about Canada. What has China done new? | | |
| ▲ | m4rtink 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Building up submerged reefs to military bases, harassing the Philippine navy regularly, massive fishing fleets strip mining the sea all over the world, melee weapon skirmishes with Indian soldiers in Kashmir ? | |
| ▲ | throw0101a 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > What has China done new? * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts_(197... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Chinese_military_exercise... * https://www.channelnewsasia.com/east-asia/philippines-south-... | |
| ▲ | bulbar 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | China has been strategically preparing to do it for years now. It's not just talk from a crazy leader of a democratic country that will be gone in a few years, but is on the official roadmap of a dictatorship for at least a decade. | |
| ▲ | Walf 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You don't have to drop bombs to invade. If you think China's not invading with its economic policies and activity alone, you're not paying attention. I'm in no way saying western nations are not guilty of the same and worse behaviours (look at how many legitimate governments have been toppled and sanctioned for daring to go against the USA), but China is not friendly. | | |
| ▲ | hdgvhicv 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I see, so your country doesn’t trade with China? Because they ultimately are managing better in the 21st century than any other country. America had its peak from 1945 to 2001. Britain ran the world in the 19th century. China is the new global superpower. In an ideal world America would have managed to keep a bipolar world going, but it has decided to abandon that in favour of short term boosts. | | |
| ▲ | Walf 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Quite the non-sequitur. It does, and I already wrote about western countries being just as guilty of invading, if not more so. None of what you wrote contradicts my point that China is actively expanding and using mainly economic tactics to do it. |
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| ▲ | ImPostingOnHN 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Threatened to attack Taiwan, much like russia has threatened to attack many other countries. Also, China does regularly attack other countries' navies around the South China Sea with no legal justification. |
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| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Even if Japan doesn't want to defend Taiwan, the close geography makes conflict between china and Japan (and the USA) if China invades Taiwan. |
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| ▲ | ii41 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's wild that people say this. Japan attacking China (and later the Western colonies, and later the US) knowing that it could not win was one of the most important events in the 20th century. There isn't a country as infamous as Japan for starting wars it cannot win. Also that attack happened on Sept 18, this very day, in 1931. | | |
| ▲ | Walf a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Not so wild when you realise that it's not the 1930s, and Japan isn't being led by an imperialist & expansionist regime. I'm not denying any past aggression from Japan, my grandparents fought them, but the situation is quite different now. | | |
| ▲ | csomar 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Based on historical and current events (USA) it takes roughly a couple of years for a country and its leaders to flip from pacifist to aggressive. | |
| ▲ | orwin 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Japan is very much still jingoistic today, and Jingoism is what drove the Lugou bridge incident and the seconds sino-japanese war. While it was imperialism that drove the invasion of Korea and Manchuria in 1931, with a real need for resources and to give land and slave to industrialists, the 1937 war was totally dumbfuckery from jingoist sentiments. Basically Trump, but supported by 85% of the population. That's why fascism doesn't work btw. They end up believing their own lies and do the most egregiously idiotic shit. |
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| ▲ | m4rtink 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Arguably China was in quite a sorry state at the moment Japan started attacking it & they were quite successful as a result. It was the western colonial powers & most importantly the USA that they attacked & could not have realistically won against. | |
| ▲ | throw0101a 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > There isn't a country as infamous as Japan for starting wars it cannot win. Except against Taiwan, Korea, Russia (1905), Manchuria. | |
| ▲ | stickfigure a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All of the people responsible for that are dead now. Every single one. Maybe there are still 100k people alive that were ~5yo at the time, but I don't think we can hold them culpable. | |
| ▲ | ido 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | WW2 was over more than 80 years ago. Neither Japan nor China still have the same regime they had when this happened. |
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| ▲ | philipov a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The person you're afraid of conquering you not liking that you're trying to defend yourself against conquest is not an argument against doing that. | | |
| ▲ | svpk a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think anything in their post said otherwise. I assumed they were just adding more evidence on to what the previous commenter was saying. | |
| ▲ | djtango a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The strange and ironic thing here is that the subject and object of this statement can be either country. My wife is from Manchuria and my father is from Singapore. As much as my wife and I like the Japan of today, Japan appeared less favourably in our family history. | | | |
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| ▲ | aussieguy1234 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >They seem to be very unhappy about Japan building up its war fighting capacity. Could be a strategy going on here. Before they invaded Ukraine, Russia criticized Ukrainian military buildup as "destabalising". Probably with full knowledge of their own plans to invade. | | |
| ▲ | lenkite 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Russia also criticized the ethnic cleansing of Donbass via artillery strikes on civilian areas - casualties and deaths reported daily in the LPR and DPR media, but never made a single peep in the Western news. | | |
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| ▲ | ashley95 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I presume you mean CGTN? | |
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| ▲ | ImPostingOnHN 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > They seem to be very unhappy about Japan building up its war fighting capacity. Much in the same way the same people are upset about Taiwan, the Phillipines, the USA, etc. are building up their military capacity. Also much in the same way russia is unhappy about Ukraine building up its war fighting capacity. The unhappiness could come from multiple things, but given China has themselves built up their own war fighting capacity to a much greater degree, it seems the primary motivation is seeking hegemony. |
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| ▲ | NalNezumi 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Your immediate neighbor is going on an imperialist streak right now There's indeed a neighbor (albeit with a large ocean in between) that have imperialist streak of abducting a head of state with its military and starting a war that is actively causing global economic damage. You never know what this one is planning to drag you in to, maybe provoke another big neighbor and get yourself dragged in to the lose-lose quagmire |
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| ▲ | giardini 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A centenarian F-35 "divine wind" is the obvious solution - a descendant of the WWII kamikaze corps. I can hear the screams of "Tennoheika Banzai" (!Long live the Emperor!") as they deliver death to their enemies: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=kamikaze+&ia=images&iax=ima... |
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| ▲ | litbear2022 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Active-duty armed personnel stormed a neighboring country's embassy with a knife. It’s really hard to guess who is pursuing expansion. |
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| ▲ | echelon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The F-35s are for the children and grandchildren. It's to safeguard their future. Democracy is important and it isn't free. |
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| ▲ | noree a day ago | parent [-] | | If the Japanese are looking for technology to protect themselves against a heavily armed imperial force they should be mass producing Shaheds instead of paying tributes to the US MIC. | | |
| ▲ | hattmall a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Shahed drone's are not serious weapons of war. Japan could easily produce millions of them if needed. The drones are good for antagonizing and terrorising a civilian population. A few F35s and bomber squads could reliably deplete and destroy the entire Iranian drone stock and manufacturing capacity if there was the desire and higher tolerance for civilian casualties. In other words if Japan were in a position where they were willing to use drones to indiscriminately attack soft targets an F-35 would be about a trillion times more effective. | | |
| ▲ | mysecretaccount a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > The drones are good for antagonizing and terrorising [sic] a civilian population. A few F35s and bomber squads could reliably deplete and destroy the entire Iranian drone stock and manufacturing capacity if there was the desire and higher tolerance for civilian casualties. Absolutely incorrect. - The purpose of these drones is to establish deterrence. - US is not capable of reaching every inch of Iranian airspace with F-35s unless it is willing to accept a significant casualty rate among pilots. - Even if they could, the US has not been able to decimate Iran's drone stockpile even in the areas it can ~safely reach. The age of the fighter jet is over. | | |
| ▲ | belorn 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The war in Ukraine demonstrated how cheap drones could overwhelm more expensive defense systems and make favorable trades. It has now also started to show that, as defense against cheap drones has gotten better, more expensive jet drones are being used that can bypass the now cheaper and slower defense systems that is designed to target cheap drones. As such we can expect to see more expensive and faster defense systems. If they then want to make even faster and bigger drones they might make it so big that put a person in it to fly it, thus making it easier to reuse and better to adapt to different defense systems. And so the cycle is completed. The only real question seems to be if the pilot in the fighter jet will remain a benefit when the drone is increased to that scale. | |
| ▲ | galangalalgol a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Quite possibly. But shaheds aren't the answer either. After Fukushima, the plutonium 240 fuel for the breeders they don't want to run anymore has been piling up. Not as good as 239, but that is what they should be looking at. | |
| ▲ | stickfigure a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because of stealth jets, the US is capable of destroying every single power plant in the country, with all the horrible human cost you would expect. Exactly like Putin has been trying to do in Ukraine. Except, they could actually do it. Trump and Hegseth may be bumbling idiots but so far they have been showing restraint. The jets seem to be pretty effective at making big holes in the ground, I wouldn't call their demise just yet. | | |
| ▲ | mysecretaccount 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The US and Russia can destroy every power plant in their respective opposing countries with I(C/R)BMs, but this would involve breaking taboos of which even their respective leaders are fearful. The fighter jet is not capable of destroying every power plant in Iran without risking pilot casualties, an endeavor for which the US lacks political capital. The drone has no such issue. A rational nation would have shifted primary investment into medium-range drones many yesterdays ago. | | |
| ▲ | stickfigure 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Russia can destroy every power plant in their respective opposing countries with I(C/R)BMs I don't think this is true. Sure if you count nuclear weapons, but that's not on the table. Russia has already used IRBMs. Even Putin tacitly admitted they failed to hit their targets. It's entirely likely that Russian ICBMs simply do not have the accuracy required to strike something as small as a power plant with a conventional payload. Even China is building stealth jets and aircraft carriers. The people making these decisions know more about their capabilities than you or me. Shipping through Hormuz is already up to about half prewar levels. I don't think Iran's strategy is working very well for them. |
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| ▲ | nixon_why69 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The scoreboard says otherwise. US jets can't even reach the northeastern half of the country because the refueling tankers can't get close enough to give them the range. Additionally, Iran had deterrence that you're not giving them credit for. If they destroyed Saudi and UAE's water desalination, it would be a mass casualty event. | | |
| ▲ | stickfigure 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | B2s can absolutely reach the northeastern half of the country. So can cruise missiles. The current standoff is a choice, not lack of capability. Yes, I imagine deterrence is part of that equation. Nevertheless, it's too early to declare the end of the jet. We will probably get there someday, but that day is not today. | | |
| ▲ | nixon_why69 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ok, yeah, B2s flying from Missouri could do it, at great expense, with multiple refuelings. We're talking about putting doomsday cross-planet planes on missions to drop a couple 1000 lb bombs. Economics matter. |
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| ▲ | jiggawatts a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It would be sufficient to destroy just the Asaluyeh gas infrastructure near the South Pars field. It's easily approached over the open sea where Iran has negligible air defences, and it is rather... flammable. It provides something like 75% of Iran's domestic gas supply and in turn fuels most of their power stations. Their economy would implode within days. Of course, this would be a horrific crime against humanity, comparable in impact on civilians to dropping a nuke on a capital city. Speaking of which: my partner knows next to nothing about warfare and while watching the news I had to explain that the US Navy submarine mentioned by the presenter isn't just for taking out enemy ships, it is a nuclear-armed "world ending" weapon that could simply... erase... a country. Or two. Probably three. In under an hour. |
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| ▲ | nixon_why69 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They were serious enough to defeat the US Navy and Air Force.. | |
| ▲ | ekianjo a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > few F35s and bomber squads could reliably deplete and destroy the entire Iranian drone stock and manufacturing capacity if there was the desire and higher tolerance for civilian casualties the current admin does not care about civilians casualties. remember the tomahawk on school girls? so what are they waiting for if it was that easy? | | |
| ▲ | qlte a day ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, it's laughable to think that somewhere in the DoD a map labeled like "Iran: Huge Undefended Drone Warehouses" has just been sitting around unused because Hegseth/Trump keep vetoing it on account of potential civilian casualties. Sure, we could easily wrap this whole thing up a couple days but the admin is choosing to remain stuck in a quagmire that's dooming GOP in the midterms. Based on a moral red line, of all things. Makes perfect sense. | | |
| ▲ | klrefg 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | They obviously could start methodically destroying civilian infrastructure to cause a huge humanitarian crisis which might force the Iranian government to collapse. They have clearly chosen not to commit to that approach so far. | | |
| ▲ | Semkas 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | These kinds of arguments are obviously vacuous: The US could also "win" any war with a non-nuclear opponent by nuking every major city. But the fact that they don't is not something worth calling restraint. | | |
| ▲ | gpt5 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s definitely worth appreciating. The world could have looked very differently and might still fall into that trap. |
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| ▲ | orwin 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They did that btw. Is there any railroad bridge still standing in south Iran? |
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| ▲ | jszymborski a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They would need and can manage both fighter jet procurement and drone manufacturing. Although a partnership with Iran, China's close ally, would probably be ill conceived. | |
| ▲ | strictnein a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They should be mass producing Iran's drone? | | |
| ▲ | noree a day ago | parent | next [-] | | They certainly should not be buying 150 f35s judging by recent track records. | | |
| ▲ | strictnein a day ago | parent [-] | | There has been one US F35 damaged in combat. That's total, across all the areas its been in and all the countries that have deployed them, starting in 2018. They've been up against the best air defense systems in the world in Venezuela and Iran and they received a single scratch. The countries acquiring them are doing so because they are best strike fighters on the planet, and it's not even close. Unless you know something that Norway, Japan, England, the Netherlands, etc don't know? | | |
| ▲ | kalleboo 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I thought the cable leaks showed that Norway picked the F35 due to diplomatic pressure from the US rather than an impartial test of suitability? | |
| ▲ | tw1984 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | give yourself a break. F-35 doesn't even have long range a2a missiles comparable to PL-17 in service. its radar is 2nd class at best, a full generation behind the Chinese counterpart and heavily rely on Chinese rare earth. it is 2026 now, partially de-industrialized US no longer has the best weapons in the world. that is why it is struggling to even beat Iran. | | |
| ▲ | orwin 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | The radar might be second class (not sure I would go that far, it's not a Thales radar but it's still good), but the plane is built with EW in mind, and that makes it useful. What makes it bad is how hard the cooling is, its range without range extenders (that break stealth) and the maintenance. |
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| ▲ | rambojohnson a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | who is winning that war right now? | | |
| ▲ | strictnein a day ago | parent [-] | | Holy non-sequitur batman. Why would Japan mass produce an inferior product when they would easily be able to design and build a far superior one? "Shahed" isn't just another word for drone, it's a specific company's name. | | |
| ▲ | hdgvhicv 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | America would buy 150
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| ▲ | m4rtink 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why not both ? |
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| ▲ | heaney-555 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | https://amti.csis.org/island-tracker/china/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitsun_Reef_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_reactions_to_China's_... https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14954734 | | |
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| ▲ | 0dayz a day ago | parent [-] | | Out of all smoking guns you selected... A space program for defense against icbm as an example of imperialism? What? You can criticize said program for being reckless and that it sets a new standard for how to launch impossible to destroy icbms but imperialism? | | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira a day ago | parent | next [-] | | How is a planet wide constellation with offensive capabilities not imperialistic? The USA has officially killed the Outer Space Treaty with that system. We really do live in interesting times. | | |
| ▲ | 0dayz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | By that logic how is an icbm not imperialism or airplanes that can fly across the world. |
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| ▲ | Aeolun a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > In 2019, Donald Trump said the satellites would also carry offensive weapons. Yes. This man is going to single-handedly make it impossible for humans to ever reach space again. | | |
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| ▲ | voiceeh a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The PRC has made threats towards Japan. It makes sense to consider them in the context of Japan defending itself. | |
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| ▲ | strictnein a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Not sure what history books you're reading, but the history of China is one of imperialism. China didn't just form with its current borders. It expanded and contracted and expanded some more for millennia. | | |
| ▲ | kakadu a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > China didn't just form with its current borders. It expanded and contracted and expanded some more for millennia. As did everyone else? I don't see China having military bases all over the world and proping up "freedom fighters" | | |
| ▲ | strictnein a day ago | parent [-] | | I was responding to the incorrect assertion that China was the least imperialist country on the planet, which is clearly false. Maybe read the entire conversation before jumping in? | | |
| ▲ | kakadu a day ago | parent [-] | | You keep spewing apologist nonsense by refusing to acknowledge that the US is by far the most imperialist entity at the moment. In comparison, China is the least. | | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira a day ago | parent | next [-] | | China has been very active in Africa as of late, and it has... Interests in my own country as well. | | |
| ▲ | defrost a day ago | parent [-] | | Interestingly China in Africa has been more commercial (not that "free" long term loans don't have a down side, and bribing "officials' to condone the sale of generational farming lands, etc. isn't a bad thing) than military - but where China has used mercenary forces .. it's most often been outsourced to US PMCs (Private Military Contractors) eg. In the Congo https://friendsofthecongo.org/erik-prince-in-congo-transnati... and elsewhere. |
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| ▲ | klrefg 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > In comparison, China is the least You only know of two major countries in the world? | |
| ▲ | strictnein 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The original post didn't mention the US. My response didn't say any country was better or worse than any other country, just that China had an imperialist past. The strange whataboutism you're doing and trying to "debate" things that only you have brought up isn't a compelling form of argumentation. Stating that I was defending and spewing "apologist nonsense" about the US, when I hadn't mentioned the US at all is just really odd. I can't tell if you're really young and haven't learned about how to argue points and/or you're from China and simply can't handle anything negative said about your homeland? |
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| ▲ | Insanity a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The borders were continuously shifting, but they did stay somewhat near a focal point for centuries. The US meanwhile has an overseas empire for honestly no good reason. Highly recommend the book “How to hide an empire” which talks about the American version of colonialism. | | |
| ▲ | strictnein a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > The borders were continuously shifting, but they did stay somewhat near a focal point for centuries. Ok? They were still an imperial power. Having a stable border for a little while doesn't affect that definition. > The US meanwhile has an overseas empire for honestly no good reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism | | |
| ▲ | Insanity a day ago | parent [-] | | Not entirely whataboutism from my part (in my opinion), the thread above was talking about China and US imperialism in (now deleted) comments. It's not like I brought in the US out of nowhere although it looks that way due to deleted comments. Same for the first part you're commenting on, that was in direct response to the thread. |
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| ▲ | lovich a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | The reason for our overseas empire was to maintain our economic dominance. If everyone voluntarily refused to touch boats and only trade oil for dollars we may have invested differently. | | |
| ▲ | Insanity a day ago | parent [-] | | "Maintain economic dominance" is a bit of a distorted view of late 19th century US colonialism. It was not a dominant economic power compared to colonial Europe. It was to boost the local economy for sure, with the guano islands. But colonizing the Philippines after the "war" with Spain was mostly to prevent European colonial powers from dominating that part of the world. The US didn't become economically dominant until after the first World War, when it already had an overseas empire for half a century. | | |
| ▲ | lovich a day ago | parent [-] | | I assumed the comment I was replying to was in reference to our constellation of military bases and the economic machinations post ww2. If it was referencing history prior to that then I would reply with the as you mentioned guano mines, fruit production, and keeping European powers out of our regional backyard after several scuffles with Spain and Britain at minimum. I’d also mention the boat touching still. The Marine’s Hymn doesn’t mention the Halls of Montezuma and the Shores of Tripoli for no reason. |
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| ▲ | mars-or_wars a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | China's borders today are essentially identical to what they were... ... when the U.S. Declaration of Independence was first uttered in 1776 | | |
| ▲ | strictnein a day ago | parent [-] | | That is completely immaterial and makes absolutely no sense. An imperial power isn't one because its borders were set in 1776 (which they weren't)? Also.. this little event where they added something like 10% of the current size.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Chinese_annexation_of_Tib... But I'm sure that wasn't imperialism because they had already conquered Tibet previously... in an act of imperial expansion. |
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| ▲ | iioiio a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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