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shoobiedoo 3 hours ago

This article calls it a "quiet emergency" but even as a foreigner living in Japan there are alarm bells everywhere. And the government buying 150 F35's is just a slap in the face when there's a massive chunk of the population that is, very quickly, going to need extra care.

I looked into becoming a care aid myself as I'm tired of office culture in Japan and have some experience in that field. I was shocked to see that they start at less than 10USD, and working your way up takes years, decades even.

Continuing to kick this can down the road is going to be an absolute disaster.

stickfigure 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> buying 150 F35's

Your immediate neighbor is going on an imperialist streak right now, and Xi says he wants the fireworks to start in his lifetime. I don't know if F35s are the right answer for Japan, but Xi isn't that young. Get ready however you can.

r3trohack3r 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The ministry of propaganda in China runs an English language international news channel available as an IPTV stream (https://tvexplorer.live/)

If you want a better understanding of which world events China is not happy about, tuning in there to see what they cover unfavorably has been useful for me.

They seem to be very unhappy about Japan building up its war fighting capacity.

Walf 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Japan is never going to voluntarily attack China. Even if there was a desire to, they know they could not win. Any military build up by the former is due to fear of the latter.

philipov 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The person you're afraid of conquering you not liking that you're trying to defend yourself against conquest is not an argument against doing that.

djtango 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The strange and ironic thing here is that the subject and object of this statement can be either country.

My wife is from Manchuria and my father is from Singapore. As much as my wife and I like the Japan of today, Japan appeared less favourably in our family history.

svpk 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think anything in their post said otherwise. I assumed they were just adding more evidence on to what the previous commenter was saying.

isityettime 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They seem to be very unhappy about Japan building up its war fighting capacity.

Maybe because of Japan's history of horrific war crimes and occupation in China? You know, the actual imperial conquest for which their constitution prohibits them from having a standing air force?

ashley95 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I presume you mean CGTN?

litbear2022 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Active-duty armed personnel stormed a neighboring country's embassy with a knife. It’s really hard to guess who is pursuing expansion.

echelon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The F-35s are for the children and grandchildren. It's to safeguard their future.

Democracy is important and it isn't free.

noree an hour ago | parent [-]

If the Japanese are looking for technology to protect themselves against a heavily armed imperial force they should be mass producing Shaheds instead of paying tributes to the US MIC.

hattmall 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Shahed drone's are not serious weapons of war. Japan could easily produce millions of them if needed. The drones are good for antagonizing and terrorising a civilian population. A few F35s and bomber squads could reliably deplete and destroy the entire Iranian drone stock and manufacturing capacity if there was the desire and higher tolerance for civilian casualties.

In other words if Japan were in a position where they were willing to use drones to indiscriminately attack soft targets an F-35 would be about a trillion times more effective.

strictnein an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

They should be mass producing Iran's drone?

noree 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They certainly should not be buying 150 f35s judging by recent track records.

strictnein 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

There has been one US F35 damaged in combat. That's total, across all the areas its been in and all the countries that have deployed them, starting in 2018. They've been up against the best air defense systems in the world in Venezuela and Iran and they received a single scratch.

The countries acquiring them are doing so because they are best strike fighters on the planet, and it's not even close. Unless you know something that Norway, Japan, England, the Netherlands, etc don't know?

rambojohnson 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

who is winning that war right now?

strictnein 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Holy non-sequitur batman.

Why would Japan mass produce an inferior product when they would easily be able to design and build a far superior one? "Shahed" isn't just another word for drone, it's a specific company's name.

mars-or_wars an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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heaney-555 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

https://amti.csis.org/island-tracker/china/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitsun_Reef_incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_reactions_to_China's_...

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14954734

mars-or_wars an hour ago | parent [-]

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0dayz an hour ago | parent [-]

Out of all smoking guns you selected... A space program for defense against icbm as an example of imperialism?

What?

You can criticize said program for being reckless and that it sets a new standard for how to launch impossible to destroy icbms but imperialism?

Aeolun 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

> In 2019, Donald Trump said the satellites would also carry offensive weapons.

Yes.

This man is going to single-handedly make it impossible for humans to ever reach space again.

voiceeh an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The PRC has made threats towards Japan. It makes sense to consider them in the context of Japan defending itself.

mars-or_wars an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

China would be near the bottom of the list of "imperial countries"

strictnein an hour ago | parent [-]

Not sure what history books you're reading, but the history of China is one of imperialism. China didn't just form with its current borders. It expanded and contracted and expanded some more for millennia.

Insanity an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The borders were continuously shifting, but they did stay somewhat near a focal point for centuries.

The US meanwhile has an overseas empire for honestly no good reason.

Highly recommend the book “How to hide an empire” which talks about the American version of colonialism.

strictnein 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> The borders were continuously shifting, but they did stay somewhat near a focal point for centuries.

Ok? They were still an imperial power. Having a stable border for a little while doesn't affect that definition.

> The US meanwhile has an overseas empire for honestly no good reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

lovich 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The reason for our overseas empire was to maintain our economic dominance.

If everyone voluntarily refused to touch boats and only trade oil for dollars we may have invested differently.

kakadu an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> China didn't just form with its current borders. It expanded and contracted and expanded some more for millennia.

As did everyone else?

I don't see China having military bases all over the world and proping up "freedom fighters"

strictnein 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

I was responding to the incorrect assertion that China was the least imperialist country on the planet, which is clearly false. Maybe read the entire conversation before jumping in?

mars-or_wars an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

China's borders today are essentially identical to what they were...

... when the U.S. Declaration of Independence was first uttered in 1776

strictnein 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

That is completely immaterial and makes absolutely no sense. An imperial power isn't one because its borders were set in 1776 (which they weren't)?

Also.. this little event where they added something like 10% of the current size. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Chinese_annexation_of_Tib...

But I'm sure that wasn't imperialism because they had already conquered Tibet previously... in an act of imperial expansion.

PorciiVorbesc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>And the government buying 150 F35's is just a slap in the face when there's a massive chunk of the population that is, very quickly, going to need extra care.

I'm torn on this issue. I think the elderly and people in general should get a decent life, but on the opposite side we have Europe that's investing massively more in making its boomers richer and more comfortable than anyone in human history has ever been(average pension in France is now higher than the average salary), rather than investing that money in ensuring opportunities and prosperity of future generations, who are facing economic stagnation/degrowth and are forced to foot the bill for this elderly spending, with the guarantee the pyramid scheme they're funding will fail them when their turn comes to benefit from it.

So perhaps Japan sees the defense capability those 150 F-35's bring to its future national security more valuable than keeping the elderly alive for a few more years.

Yeah, it sounds harsh when you look at people like that, but taking care of people takes resources(money), and money is finite, so all these decisions are a game theory trolley problem, where you have to choose whose lives a country should prioritize the most: the past generations, or the future generations.

Historically in the history of nations would be willing to sacrifice the elderly to prioritize the survival and growth of its future generations, that was the social contract of the tribe, that is until the western boomers came and decided they deserve to fuck the future of their nation if they can get wealthier and feel good till the end.

I'm not saying there's one correct solution here, because I don't have it. I'm saying tough decisions have to be made from which there will be winners and losers, so a nation should choose the winners carefully, if it wishes to have a future.

janalsncm 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> average pension in France is now higher than the average salary

This sounded crazy so I looked it up. I don’t think it’s quite true, but after you subtract taxes and living expenses (a lot of old people own their homes) and add investments, seems like retirees do have a higher standard of living than workers in France.

shoobiedoo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree to some degree. There is also the case to be made that whereas in the past, young people would stay at home until they were married, and therefore assist their parents/grandparents, the rapid westernization (or "de-Japanization"?) of Japanese youth has them moving out asap into larger cities to be "free individuals" and those downstream effects on the elderly aren't anyone's fault, I guess.

paulryanrogers 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Can you blame kids (especially those without siblings) wanting to strike out for a life and family of their own?

They don't choose to be born. Have few/no rights to change how they're raised or their parents spend the family funds while they are minors. Often they have no choice over large portions of their education. To say they owe their parents decades of unpaid caregiving is absurd.

shoobiedoo an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm speaking from a Japanese cultural point of view, here. To say that Japan has been wrong until now to focus on family values over rampant individualism, waiting until you are married to leave the home, and respecting the lives of the elderly until they pass on is one I've never heard before. And where do you get that their education takes a backseat by living with their parents? Post secondary education has always been a pillar in Japan.

Until this most recent generation Japan (and the rest of the world) had no problem starting a "life and family of their own" as you put it.

dfxm12 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From experience, elder care is more of a drain on the younger family members than the elder. It's not just financial either. Needing to take off from work to take the elderly somewhere, making sure they understand the medical situation, etc. Every country/situation is different though. Maybe pensioners in France can afford their own care, but I'm assuming they can't drive themselves to the doctor.

shimman 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is doing a lot of cover for an airplane that has massive supply issues and mostly seems to have been invented to extract more money out of allies to serve the US military industrial complex.

An island nation under the protectorate of the US TOTALLY needs to spend over $300 billion over the needs of their people, okay sure. Makes sense I guess.

Historically those that were greedy were banished from society so the community can continue thrive. How greedy are you willing to be since you're okay with sacrificing other humans for political ploys?

PorciiVorbesc 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>This is doing a lot of cover for an airplane that has massive supply issues

I'm not covering the damn plane in my comment. I was covering the nation's need for self defense which is gonna cost crazy money any way you slice it if your military wants to have latest gen "sci-fi" jets capable of beating Chinese ones.

>An island nation under the protectorate of the US TOTALLY needs to spend over $300 billion over the needs of their people, okay sure. Makes sense I guess.

The security guarantee that nations, like Japan in this case, receive from the US is not free of charge, it never was. It's paid in barter via purchasing US military gear like F-35s that supports the US economy and defense industry jobs. It's the same deal with the gulf states. Saudi Arabia and the others, accepted to trade their oil only in USD, making the USD the world reserve currency and the US the richest country in the world, and in exchange it received defense assurances form the US. That's always been the deal. Are there still people oblivious to this fact?

WarmWash an hour ago | parent | next [-]

>Are there still people oblivious to this fact?

Most people think the US just goes around bullying people and kicking up dust. There is a genuine widespread belief that if the US didn't exist, the world would be living in harmonious peace, just like how the world was before WWII.

shimman 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah I don't think it was a good look for a supposed democratic nation to sell weaponry to nations that rely on slave labor either, but there never was a good look for American imperialism. Still shocked to see people champion it still.

PorciiVorbesc 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Still shocked to see people champion it still.

Can you share who here is championing it?

Also, you often don't have a choice, as imperialism is a constant throughout human history. If it's not the US it's gonna be someone else, maybe even worse. Now I'm not American, but if I were, and I'd need to make a choice between my nation being THE imperial power or someone else with different values than mine resulting me being at their mercy, then I'd rather me than them.

But this isn't "championing it", this is choosing the pragmatic least-worst option.

threethirtytwo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When those boomers die where does the money go?

RobRivera 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tax man, funeral industry, late life casino runs, o o o o o o an investment in GVC gold

phs318u 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The single biggest generational transfer of wealth in human history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wealth_Transfer

NuclearPM 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Musk, Ellison, Zuckerberg, Gates, Bezos.

boringg an hour ago | parent [-]

Even though they have some money their wealth is trivial compared to the generational transfer.

Waterluvian 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The socialized cost of protecting your castle is massive. It makes for a very popular and very lazy target for this kind of “think of the children” (or centenarians) style rhetoric.

Something I keep in mind when reading these kinds of opinions is that when war breaks out and moves through a region (think Ukraine), the elderly are common among those who cannot flee.

aaron695 a few seconds ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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calvinmorrison 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> very quickly, going to need extra care.

they don't "need" extra care, and at 100 years old, should be pretty content with concepts of dying without intervention.

What is with the obsession in the world today about those on deaths door taking precedent over those who live today?

NonHyloMorph 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Wtf is going on with the discourse here lately? Are you advocating for effective "euthanasia" by neglect?

carefree-bob 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of people really want to get their hands on the savings of the elderly, and are very angry when they see old people spending money.

calvinmorrison 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm advocating for "at 100 years old you're going to die pretty soon regardless of medical spending, and as a centarian, you should be prepared for this. no vanity or medical procedure will be cost effective and the world does not need more supercentarians, and japan does not need more old people. simple as.

jll29 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I disagree with downvoting the parent; I did not interpret their post as advocating neglect or euthanasia or anything else of a nasty kind.

There is a point to be made that fewer and fewer people are ready to die - eventually.

However, it arguably is the natural course of things, and the only thing more certain than taxes. I'm not saying this because I cannot imagine a world in which death was switched off. Instead, I would argue that it is also a GOOD thing that death exists, as it makes one's lifetime more precious knowing your days are counted (it's also good not to know how many of them you have left). There is space made for new generations, and their different (hopefully eventually better) ideas.

rightnutwingjob 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What does buying one hundred and fifty F35 aircraft have to do with not being able care for your parents / grandparents?

Why do people think The Government™ is able to, should, or can, solve everyone’s problems?

The Government™ probably can solve defence.

It probably can’t solve your lack of desire to do the right thing and look after your aging parents.

PostOnce an hour ago | parent | next [-]

These people are over 100, and have been paying tax to the Japanese state since before world war 2. They lived through world war 2, and they rebuilt japan afterwards.

You're proposing to tell them they haven't "done enough", saved enough, paid enough tax, worked enough, sacrificed enough. You're assuming they all have kids to care for them.

20-something billion dollars can pay for a lot of medicine and care that F-35s can't deliver.

Defence is necessary to protect the people. But so is everything else. Medicine, food, affordable housing, education...

If the state wants tons of money and sacrifice, then what is the point of protecting it if it provides nothing in return?

This extends to everyone else in the developed world: if we're fucked anyway, why bother doing all this stuff the government wants? To protect the assets and incomes of the rich? So we can give all our life and labor to the lords and landlords?

I'm not buying it, and I doubt the centenarians are either.

totetsu 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Their kids are in the 70s and 80s too

PorciiVorbesc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Why do people think The Government™ is able to, should, or can, solve everyone’s problems?

Where do you see them demanding the government solve $ALL their problems?

>The Government™ probably can solve defence.

Agree.

>It probably can’t solve your lack of desire to do the right thing and look after your aging parents.

Is there a lack of desire? Or a lack of resources resulting as a consequence of how the modern developed economy works, where youth need to move away from the family to get a college education and skilled jobs, and in return the government taxes you to take care of your parents and your kids so that you can focus on maximizing your skilled productivity at work? Isn't this the modern (faulty) social contract?

Sure, I can move back with my parents to take care of them, but then I won't have a job to earn money because all the industry in that town was hollowed out and moved abroad (also thanks to government actions of maximizing shareholder value).

Now , if the government admits it can't solve elderly care and wants us to take care of our parents on our own dime, the it should also stop taxing us for a welfare state it can't provide and just focus on what it can, like defense. IIRC Switzerland works like that.

Unfortunately, in our modern post-industrial economy we can't all go back to tribal/village lifestyles of our ancestors where we all lived on farms in multi generational households and we all took care of each other and lived only off the land. That would sound nice in theory, but it's not feasible anymore the way nations and economies are set up to work and compete against each other, unless we can somehow agree to fight wars from now on only with bows and arrows like our ancestors, instead of AI drones and cruise missiles needing cutting edge chips and SW made by singles with phds and no kids. We built this faulty societal system and now we're forced to live by it whether we want to or not.

imglorp 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If the community isn't proactive with safety nets for elders, let's say the childless ones, those elders will become everyone's acute problems. Better to plan for it and better to share the cost to everyone. Some might call that a government.

jll29 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The Japanese fail to produce enough children.

The country will either have to change or it will disappear soon.

Most European countries have the same issue, but it is less visible due to immigration, which Japan does not have.

shoobiedoo an hour ago | parent [-]

The population of Japan is projected to be 64 million in 2100. In 1930, the population of Japan was 64 million. Did it not exist back then?

Danox 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Japan can easily operate with 60-80 million people in a country slightly smaller than California. And expand again in the future why not?

mango7283 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

To be fair you'd need to consider how the percentage of young people looked in 1930 for that to be a meaningful comparison to today

saulpw an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A 100-year-old's children are 70-80 years old themselves, if they are still alive. They very well might be not be capable of taking care of a 100-year-old person. And not everyone has children. Rather than throw up our hands and say "too bad", perhaps we collectively have some responsibility to take care of those who aren't able to take care of themselves?

brailsafe 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

and those 70-80 year olds may have children old enough to be going through menopause and any number of health issues themselves, along with their own adult children who may not have viable prospects for leaving home yet (if the dynamic is at all similar to other G7 countries). In Canada, I would be plenty old enough by now to have my own kids, and my grandparents, lucky though I am to still have them around, are old enough to be needing some help in their 80s. Thankfully they all have their own homes and can take care of themselves financially, but even if I was interested in having kids, there isn't really a viable financial strategy for creating a support structure viable for even myself long-term. Adding one other person to the mix isn't feasible and won't be in foreseeable future unless I made some dramatic changes solely for that purpose. Thankfully the Gen Xers in my family got in early to the whole "social contract" thing and seem to be handling what they can, and I contribute when I'm visiting by putting in the physical labor where it's useful. I can barely reliably pay for a basement apartment, and the way things are looking, that's about as far as it's ever going to get.

antisthenes 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> perhaps we collectively have some responsibility to take care of those who aren't able to take care of themselves

This is the cornerstone that all society rests upon. If a person argues that there is no such obligation, they do not understand the social dynamics of a civilization and you can be sure you're dealing with a sociopath.

spacechild1 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You certainly live up to your name.

apsurd 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you’re on HN and it’s as if you’ve never even heard of “thinking in systems”

thinkingtoilet 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We're not making these problems up. Reality exists. These problems exist. The government is doing it because the population is failing to do it on their own. It's very obvious and not up for debate. If it wasn't a problem, the government wouldn't have to do it.

andy99 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> If it wasn't a problem, the government wouldn't have to do it.

This is certainly very different from my experience with what governments think they have to do.

rexpop 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, you see, when people invest their resources in any venture, they incur an "opportunity" cost.

justsomehnguy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's quite amusing how The Government™ is able to use the tax money to buy an overpriced useless military toys which solve nothing and cost trillions, but at the same time The Government™ can't spend that tax money on the care of their citizens.