| ▲ | zelphirkalt 2 hours ago |
| Just to understand this: When someone says "country England", do they mean "country" like in "nation", considering England a separate nation, or is it a lapse and they mean UK? Is England usually referred to as a country, or just part of a country? I usually think of a country as equal to a nation, and as far as I know, Wales and Scotland have not split off yet? Is the term "country" not actually that sharply defined? EDIT: Thanks people, I just asked a question to better understand the terminology, you know ... |
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| ▲ | alibarber 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| In this case it's health related and each of the countries in the UK have their own National Health Services (or Health and Social Care in NI). It's not a lapse here. |
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| ▲ | shevy-java 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I kind of assumed that they actually meant UK. It's indeed confusing. I'd wish the BBC would use a consistent naming scheme. Guess only England was meant. That would insinuate they don't care about scotland though. | | |
| ▲ | alibarber 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't understand. It's an article about England. They only have information to hand about England, from the authority tasked with dealing with health in England. If I read an article from them about crime in London, quoting the Metropolitan Police, I don't immediately think that they don't care about, say, the West Midlands. | |
| ▲ | Blazara an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The BBC do use a consistent naming scheme, you're just not understanding the scheme. Scotland has their own devolved NHS, and track their own health statistics. Scotland not being mentioned is because the Hepatitis C Trust were talking about England's Hep C numbers, it wasn't an intentional slight on Scotland. | |
| ▲ | reorder9695 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Confusingly the proper term for England, Scotland, Wales, and NI is country individually, the UK is a country of countries. They should probably be called states but they never have been, I'd pretty much always assume when someone says England to become the first country... that they mean England exclusively. The bit that gets me is that people often refer to the UK but actually mean GB or vice versa. |
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| ▲ | rcxdude an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When I've heard the distinction (often in a historical context), 'nation' is usually meant to mean a set of people in a place with some sense of collective identity or origin, while 'state' is the governing body which has a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence within well defined borders. When these overlap the result is a nation-state, but they don't always line up so nearly. Using those definitions England, Wales, and Scotland are nations. Ireland (including northern Ireland) could also be called a nation (though, of course, as should be obvious by the fact that this does not line up with the borders of the state, this is a contentious topic). The United Kingdom is the state (and of course Ireland-minus-northern-ireland is also a state). 'Country' as a term generally doesn't imply either of these (it's just a name for some chunk of land, notionally), though it's often synonymous with the nation-state when the borders all actually line up neatly, as opposed to in the UK. |
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| ▲ | gilleain 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Some of the confusion here is from our history. This is my (likely confused) understanding: James VI/I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I) was king of _both_ England and Scotland and only later did the Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Union combine the two. You might notice I've neglected Wales which was (considered?) part of England. In any case, England is a country, yes. Also the UK is a country. |
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| ▲ | amiga386 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| CGP Grey: The United Kingdom Explained (2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 |
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| ▲ | beejiu 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A lot of powers are devolved away from England to each other country in the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_in_the_United_Kingd... |
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| ▲ | JimDabell 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are constituent countries in a larger country called the United Kingdom. When dealing with international affairs, you typically want to be talking about the UK (unless the subject is sport), as that is the sovereign state. But for domestic affairs, it’s often split in ways that are confusing if you don’t understand various bits of history stretching back about a thousand years. For instance, England and Wales share a legal system, but Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own. There’s bunch of special things about Northern Ireland and its relation to Ireland. And all of the constituent countries have their own parliament / assembly except for England (the parliament in London is for the whole of the UK where MPs for all constituent countries can vote). In this particular case, the constituent countries have their own health systems, so it’s normally England we would be talking about, not the UK. |
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| ▲ | _heimdall 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| England is the country, part of the United Kingdom. Kingdom being the key word there, the US is a collection of countries ruled by the crown. |
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| ▲ | toast0 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The commonwealth is also a collection of countries ruled by the crown; but it's not a country whereas the UK is a country. |
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| ▲ | psp99 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wales and Scotland are separate countries to England. |
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| ▲ | llm_nerd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| England is a country, and if you're reading this on the BBC they most certainly are using the correct terminology. It is not a sovereign country, but instead is a part of the constituents comprising the UK state. |
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| ▲ | zelphirkalt 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | OK, so now we have the following terms: State, nation, country, sovereign country. For example in Germany one would say there are 16 states, but one wouldn't say that there are 16 countries. Never heard anyone claim that. So state seems to be different from country, at least here. Would people in the UK say that Scotland or Wales are "nations"? Or is at least that term very clearly only for units that could participate under a flag in lets say the olympics? (I assume here, that Scotland and Wales are not separately competing, but are under UK flag.) | | |
| ▲ | tialaramex an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | "And by 'country' we mean a sovereign state that is a member of the UN in its own right" to quote the famous UK Quiz Show "Pointless". Team GB enters the Olympics but as you may have noticed it was England who came Third in the World Cup recently, and likewise England play international rugby, including against Wales and Scotland. | | |
| ▲ | M2Ys4U 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >and likewise England play international rugby, including against Wales and Scotland. Except when they play as part of the British & Irish Lions! |
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| ▲ | Blazara an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The UK, crown dependencies and overseas territories compete as Great Britain in the Olympics rather than the UK. Northern Irish folks can compete for Ireland or GB. As an English person I would say that Scotland and Wales are nations and countries; constituent countries of the country that is the UK. |
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| ▲ | keybored 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah England is a country. Like what else do we have the name “England” for? We talk a lot more about England than some non-country geography like Anatolia (Asian Turkey). For example there was no UK in the World Cup, but England made it quite far. If that’s a bit eccentric, well this is the same place that refers to Europe as a different place even though France borders the UK by automobile road. |
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| ▲ | sd9 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| England is a country. The UK is a country. People in the UK would refer to England as a country and most people would actually be confused if you referred to the UK as a country, even though it technically is. People in England don’t really think of the UK as anything other than “the UK”. People from Scotland, Wales, and Ireland have more nuanced takes. |
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| ▲ | juntoalaluna 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No one is confused if you can the UK a country, or if you call England, Wales, or Scotland a country. You might get a tedious person saying something like "actually, Wales is a principality". | | |
| ▲ | arethuza 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I must admit I've never heard NI being called a country... wouldn't be the UK if there wasn't some horrible complication involved. | |
| ▲ | sd9 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe not in isolation, but if you call the UK and England both countries in the same conversation you’re going to be met with confusion. | | |
| ▲ | Closi 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe...? I mean not anyone I know but i'm in the UK to be fair. It's like if you put four boxes in a box, it's not too confusing that the outer box is still a box. |
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| ▲ | leereeves 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I would be confused if someone called Wales a country. I thought Wales (unlike Scotland) was a region of England and had little autonomy. TIL. |
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| ▲ | walthamstow an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'm English and I don't think England or Scotland or Wales are countries. People get confused because of football and rugby. They're nations. The country is the United Kingdom. | | |
| ▲ | Blazara an hour ago | parent [-] | | England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are constituent countries of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is also a country. You can disagree, but you're disagreeing with the government and the international community. | | |
| ▲ | jpfromlondon 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Scotland, Wales, and NI have their own parliaments at least, so from a constitutional perspective one could argue England is not a country but a state, but that is only one narrow definition. | |
| ▲ | walthamstow an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not a problem, I disagree with the government all the time. Scotland has less sovereignty than US states, it's not a country. | | |
| ▲ | arethuza 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The UK seems fairly relaxed about constituent parts leaving (Scotland was given a referendum, NI has option to leave if they want) - which I don't believe applies to US states? | | |
| ▲ | walthamstow 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Scotland's referendum, and its parliament, were gifted by the UK Gov, they don't have any unilateral rights. US states can't secede unilaterally either (any more!), but at least they have a right to their own leadership and militia to do something about it. |
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