| ▲ | thegrim33 3 hours ago |
| Well yeah, that's the point. They want to enshitify cars and make driving as expensive and as annoying as possible to force people out of cars. They know they can't just ban cars outright, so they enshitify this little thing this year, mandate this other thing the next year, add a new tax/fee the next year, add a new restriction the next year, reduce speed limits the next year, etc., etc., all in the name of safety / "save the kids", until decades later they finally get to where they want to be. |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You had a point until > to force people out of cars. All that stuff following is also nonsense. “They” don’t want people out of cars, the companies want that sweet sweet revenue stream from vacuuming up data. That’s all this is |
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| ▲ | Slow_Hand 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah. Whenever someone starts explaining to me that "they" - meaning some vague and undefined cartel - want you to (blank) I immediately flag their reasoning as suspect until proven otherwise. More often than not it's indicative of a lack of serious critical thought. Examples include some version of "They want us to act like slaves" or "They want to control our minds". More often than not the simplest explanation is short-sighted profit motive, or institutional dysfunction, or multiple parties with conflicting motivations with no central agenda. It's far less likely to be a grand coordinated conspiracy. |
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| ▲ | LtWorf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Lol no they don't, governments still think automotive industry is great, and of course so do the owners of these industries. |
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| ▲ | stackghost 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Who is "they"? What is their motive for wanting to "force people out of cars"? |
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| ▲ | slopinthebag 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The “green movement” and “the environment” but mostly a desire for control. Why should people be able to own private property like cars, we should all be using government owned means of transportation in our new socialist utopia. | | |
| ▲ | GuinansEyebrows 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "the environment" wants to "force people out of cars"? are you hearing yourself? | |
| ▲ | wizzwizz4 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Who desires the control? Can you name a member of this nebulous conspiracy? Nobody I've spoken to about this topic has been able to. | | |
| ▲ | slopinthebag 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don’t need to know the names of the various lawmakers, lawyers, and politicians to know that they exist and to see the effects of their work. You’re being willfully blind here. | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake an hour ago | parent [-] | | "Trust me bro, I can't point to them but they exist" is also all the evidence we have of Aliens, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. |
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| ▲ | StanislavPetrov 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Who desires the control? Can you name a member of this nebulous conspiracy? Every level of government, the World Economic Forum and every other organization that seeks to mandate digital currencies, mandate digital IDs, impose "chat control" and eliminate all privacy. You have to have your head buried deep, deep in the sand to think this is some sort of conspiracy. It is all happening right out in the open. | | |
| ▲ | wizzwizz4 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Nobody I've spoken to who's name-dropped the World Economic Form in this context knows what the WEF is. (To be fair, neither did I, to begin with – but I wasn't making claims about it.) | |
| ▲ | stackghost 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >[seeking to] mandate digital currencies, mandate digital IDs, impose "chat control" and eliminate all privacy. None of this has anything to do with a purported green movement that seeks to end private ownership of cars. Modern cars are easy to track, for starters. |
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| ▲ | stackghost 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Why should people be able to own private property like cars, we should all be using government owned means of transportation in our new socialist utopia. Given that electric vehicles including cars, busses and trains all exist, can you explain what relationship exists between the notion of private property ownership (notably cars) and "the green movement"? It is not clear to me why a global environmentalist cabal would seek to end private ownership of electric cars, which have more or less the same drawbacks as electric busses or trains. Furthermore: As far as I can tell, the following groups are both wealthy and powerful, and have a financial interest in opposing the end of fossil fuels and/or the end of private property: - big oil - coal - auto manufacturers - major banks (because they finance loans, including auto loans) - the governments of oil-rich nations like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Venezuela, Canada (Alberta, mostly), Russia, Iran, etc. Can you also explain where the "green movement" is getting its funding and lobbying to not only resist but (according to you) completely overcome the influence of the above groups? |
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| ▲ | drnick1 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You forgot the bike lanes that take up road space but nobody uses. Every socialist mayor's favorite anti-car policy. |
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| ▲ | frollogaston 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's the classic. City is not friendly to bikes or peds, they add bike lanes, city is not friendly to bikes peds or cars. | | | |
| ▲ | stackghost 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >You forgot the bike lanes that take up road space but nobody uses. Where I live (city in the PNW), bike lanes see heavy use year-round. | | |
| ▲ | shermantanktop an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Where I live (also a city in the PNW, with a lot of hills) bike lanes see heavy use during the weekday morning commute, and pretty spotty use every other time of day, and during the weekend. Amsterdam is a different kettle of fish entirely. That's what I'd call "heavy." | |
| ▲ | TacticalCoder 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Where I live there lots of little hills: the city is made of lots of hills. Even with electric bikes, it's really horrible to drive in the city. But you see bicycles on the bike lanes, lots of bicycles. When it's summer time and when it's not raining. Otherwise the people are all in their cars. |
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| ▲ | Sabinus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Just one more car lane bro it'll fix congestion this time I swear." | | |
| ▲ | frollogaston 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Some cities really do have enough road for the population | |
| ▲ | drnick1 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, because removing car lanes while car usage is growing (due to demographics and urban development) it totally the right approach. |
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