> But they'll both be beaten by people using AI intelligently to generate code, but not letting it drive everything.

I mean, this remains to be seen. Is this actually much faster or better than coding by hand?

(Not a facetious question: it's one I grapple with all the time)

I'd put my estimates at 3x speed improvements. The amount of infra required upfront? 5x one time cost. These are estimates from Godot mobile app work. We have been trying out: no reviews under specific file sizes, except at design bottlenecks or large refactors. Number of PRs is probably up 3x with maybe 20% increase in regressions? Number of tests in our CI is up 500% (again, approximate), but this is absolutely required or we'd be awash in uncaught regressions with the velocity of code changes.

We have PR auditing skills, PR writing skills, testing conventions, etc that all need to be self-monitored for bullsh*t Claude ignorance (e.g. you apply them many times, then review your own PRs manually before merge). None of that is free, but we have shipped significantly more code as a result.

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eudamoniac 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Hearing about a Godot mobile app is hilarious to me. If there was ever a signal that Godot is not a serious tool to create releasable games, but rather a toy for beginners to mess around with, spending a bunch of resources on porting the engine to phones is it. Wowza

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maiybe 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I am struggling to understand the exact content of your message. I believe it's that Godot is unserious. Okay? Game engines serve a niche much smaller than broad consumer apps or SaaS platforms. Seems like a dunk I don't quite understand.

It's a game built in Godot that runs on mobile (a mobile game). Godot is C++, there is no porting of engine to run on mobile? Slay the Spire 2 is built in Godot and has 500k concurrent users.

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eudamoniac 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I interpreted your comment "Godot mobile app work" to mean you worked on porting Godot itself to mobile, which I then checked and found that it did actually happen https://godotengine.org/article/gabe-stable-release/

If Godot for Android is unrelated to you then I misread. But I still find it hilarious conceptually, unrelated to you, that Godot is spending resources on porting itself to phones while it has so many serious outstanding issues. As though game devs are going to be coding on their phones in any meaningful way.

	▲	maiybe an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Thank you for clarifying! That totally changed my interpretation. There is a surprising number of projects dedicated to making Godot work on mobile, and I am equally confused by that focus. I guess it's more possible with AI coding though, but couch game dev doesn't feel like a real thing.