You may be overthinking it. Circumcision rates in the US have been as high as 85% historically, and even today are as high as 75% in the Midwest.

A perceived attack on circumcision is an attack on the fundamentalist religion that the Americans currently in power claim to follow.

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That comment is what I described in the GP: Reasons.

Are you ready to campaign against making Islam illegal too?

Religious edicts apart, it's not that simple - in Judaism and Islam, not circumcising is also considered a health risk. (It's similar to the edict to not eat Pork). Obviously, just as parents don't let a child decide whether they want to brush their teeth or eat as much sweet as they want, not circumcising your kid is thus seen as irresponsible parenting. But yes, circumcising babies seems to be a modern phenomena. (I think this has happened because of the controversy / myth that babies don't feel pain - https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/7182 ). Originally, as far as I know, circumcision was mostly done to pre-teen (those nearing puberty). And is like one of those "puberty rituals" (celebrating the transition of one from childhood to adulthood) that are common in many cultures around the world. (In fact, the onset of puberty was treated as adulthood by many cultures around a century back, and thus teenage marriage was quite a commonly accepted practice).

That said, I also agree that there's a political angle too - some people (atheist activists, right-wingers, religious fundamentalists etc.) only use this for identity politics against Judaism and / or Islam.

There's nothing weird about a religious ritual in a religious setting.

> not a medically licensed

> hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions.

Most procedures are done at home by unlicensed people (e.g., family, home healthcare aids). The people who perform circumcisions are trained, experienced, and, afaik, licensed.

There's no crisis of bad health outcomes. It's a non-issue created by anti-semites to attack Judaism, and persuade some others to join in (see the GP).

Well it is the underlying sexism in the world. Males is the group that society accepts and celebrates hate against. Many people really think it is okay to do things that go against certain minorities.

I suspect that the implication in context was that the 51st state would be Greenland. Which doesn't really help make this less of a diplomatic faux pas.

Probably a reference to the "joke" that Canada would soon become the 51st state

Maybe his views are more heterodox and he was counting Puerto Rico as 51st! (sarcasm, in case this isn't clear)

Greenland is the 51 state.

I think it makes a huge amount of difference exactly because of what you stated. A pardon absolves one of the sin as if it didn't happen, legally. It however does not wipe the knowledge from people's mind as if it were the gadget from Men In Black. So, adding the <pardon> bit just adds to the depravity

He was convicted in 2005 during George Bush's presidency. So the previous previous previous group in power?

Nice try.

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That's what they want you to think. See the gent sitting down next to your elected VP? That is a "prince", a scion of an Arab FAMILY. The grifter twit standing over them? Another "prince", this time of a Jewish FAMILY.

They have goals; they have policy preferences, I assure you. Trillions of dollars are involved.

Let's just call a spade a spade: this is the emergence of Oligarchy International, sold to us as "a time of confusion because of media chaos".

Nowhere was Israel mentioned. Please stop with these antisemitic dogwhistle posts in this thread.

Which is just weird. There is nothing in their holy book like that, they just made it up and now it drives foreign policy.

> you put it right here: > > I feel the nation should be supported and deserves to exist > this is to say, you believe that Israel should be supported in what it does, and that the inhumane stuff deserves to happen.

Except you purposefully cut off where I said they're doing inhumane things that are not defense. I DO support their right to exist, but not their tactics. They're slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people for every terrorist they get.

> you arent in conflict with the conservative party.

I assure you, I am. In most ways.

> if you said the same about nazi germany - that the nation should be supported and deserves to exist, that would be a very explicit support for the genocide.

Does Germany have a right to exist? Yes. Did Germany have a right to exist in 1918 and in 1939? Yes. Did it have the right to start two major wars and slaughter tens of millions? No.

You CAN support someone's right to exist without also supporting EVERYTHING they might ever do. That's a ridiculously extreme statement.

> the government is doing the things you want it to

Again, no, it's not. You ignored half of what I said and then decided supporting existence equals supporting genocide.

I regret this reply already, this was not a serious attempt at a conversation on your part.

I just can't imagine at this point that Trump supporters or his cronies would care about literally any kompromat that might exist. Basically anyone who's payed any attention knows the dude's a pedophile, and he himself said that he could shoot someone in time square, with it televized, and he wouldn't lose supporters.

Whatever the explanation, the Russia - Trump connection goes back to the 1980s.